2021 Acura TLX Test Drive Impressions
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Moving fron second to third is upshifting I believe. Maybe its throttle lag. What happens is that you're in second and you want go faster. Well there can be delay because I believe the throttle is not telling the engine immeadiately that you want to go faster. Now that I spelled it out for me let's call it thottle lag.
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#122
I thought it did too much shifting, but goodness was it better than the 2015 which was borderline dangerous to drive.
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One other thing I noticed that I hadn't noticed on my first test drive. The car always defaults back to normal mode when you restart the car. In the 1G, if you have it in Sport it stays in Sport the next time it starts up. Kind of annoying to have to change drive modes every time, but I guess other cars are the same. Wonder why they changed it from the 1G.
Just to clarify, the 1G doesn't default back to the last setting used if changed while driving, but rather the mode you select in the settings menu. I suspect that's what you meant to say.
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I went for another test drive to see if the lag is present in a second car. Surprisingly, it was a lot better in this one (also a SH-AWD Advance). It was still noticeable and took longer to get moving than I would like, but it was considerably better than the first car. Whereas in the first one, it was a deal-breaker no matter how good the rest of the car was or how cheap it was, I could live with this one without wanting to send the car off a cliff every other day. I mentioned this to the salesperson, so we tried out two other cars. One drove just like the one I had just driven (mild amount of lag), but the other one was just like the first one I drove with a ton of lag. Both SH-AWD models. Even he noticed it too, but brushed it off by explaining that it'll probably go away once the car is broken in and the transmission ECU (think he meant TCU) learns my driving habits. I have my doubts...
This is shaping up like the ZF9 issue all over again, where some owners had stupendously bad transmissions, while others had moderately bad ones.
One other thing I noticed that I hadn't noticed on my first test drive. The car always defaults back to normal mode when you restart the car. In the 1G, if you have it in Sport it stays in Sport the next time it starts up. Kind of annoying to have to change drive modes every time, but I guess other cars are the same. Wonder why they changed it from the 1G.
This is shaping up like the ZF9 issue all over again, where some owners had stupendously bad transmissions, while others had moderately bad ones.
One other thing I noticed that I hadn't noticed on my first test drive. The car always defaults back to normal mode when you restart the car. In the 1G, if you have it in Sport it stays in Sport the next time it starts up. Kind of annoying to have to change drive modes every time, but I guess other cars are the same. Wonder why they changed it from the 1G.
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#127
There’s very little turbo lag. I believe what he’s referring to is actually transmission lag. You can’t feather the throttle when driving that car or the RDX. You need to apply firm steady pressure. If you don’t it takes the transmission a bit to decide you want to upshift and you get the lag.
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#130
Moving fron second to third is upshifting I believe. Maybe its throttle lag. What happens is that you're in second and you want go faster. Well there can be delay because I believe the throttle is not telling the engine immeadiately that you want to go faster. Now that I spelled it out for me let's call it thottle lag.
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#131
Is this a Canadian requirement? When I purchased my 2018, I only set my driving mode from the IDS switch on the center console, never in the vehicle settings. My setting is always on Sport every time I start it, but if I set it to Econ, Normal, or Sport+ (from the IDS switch), that's what it is the next time I start it.
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I’m confused, if you’re in 2nd gear and want to go faster, why would it upshift to 3rd gear? It should either stay in 2nd or downshift to 1st. Unless your car is broken, it should never immediately upshift when you want to accelerate. The higher the gear, the less torque multiplication you get.
#134
In any case, I don’t think it’s a pedal response issue. If you put the car first into the appropriate gear and mat the pedal, the car responds immediately. It’s almost 100% a transmission issue because the lag comes from how long it takes to downshift, and then a subsequent delay in power before it really takes off.
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#136
Seems like a poor design choice then. In every other car, the immediacy of power is directly related to how quickly and how deeply you bury the accelerator. In no other car would you expect the car to respond and accelerate slower because you were too fast on the throttle.
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#137
Seems like a poor design choice then. In every other car, the immediacy of power is directly related to how quickly and how deeply you bury the accelerator. In no other car would you expect the car to respond and accelerate slower because you were too fast on the throttle.
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#139
whats the chances this is prominent in type s vs being fixed because of the extra power?
#140
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DO you have a URL or Acura PR that states that?
#141
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This 10 speed transmission has been in the Accord for years. The Accord has no lag. Also I have not seen any transmission failures yet. So it can be programed to downshift and work just great. The Accord 2.0T also has very very little turbo lag. So if you driving an Acura product and it has those tendencies it was programed in there. I know my wifes 2018 Santa Fe Sport limited (2.0T) Has this exact lag you are taking about. Slow down for a car and jump on the gas it has a delay. Turn sharp right or left from a stop it has delay. When I asked a mechanic why the Optima 2.0T did not act this way he said on the SUV they program something called torque limit power on demand. It pulls back power and if I drove with a scan tool I would see the pedal and engine inputs would be way different. Its a nanny and its there to keep you from spinning your front tires in a big top heavy SUV with FWD. To me its a danger my wife barely notices it. I tried a pedal commander and it did nothing for the delay. My mom drives a Ford edge titanium 2.0T and it has no lag. So every car make is different. These turbo 2.0T engine make so much tq down low that (like the Accord) if you are not careful with the throttle and panic and jump on the gas pulling out in traffic it will smoke the tires. Biggest complaint of the Accord is that it spins the tires real easy and you can look kind of dumb if you are not carful on the throttle.
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#144
Burning Brakes
The only problem I saw was:
a. Out-dated Infotainment (same as our old 2014-MDX )
b. It was black (so wrong color ... no more black cars for me)
2021 TLX was suppose to be all-around better.
2. Thanks for report. This issue is so bizarre.
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That's odd. My car is set for Eco mode to start off my drives and I usually end in Normal or occasionally Sport mode. The next time I get in it's always in ECO. Same thing when I had it set for Normal as the default mode. I'll have to play with it today to check this out.
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That's odd. My car is set for Eco mode to start off my drives and I usually end in Normal or occasionally Sport mode. The next time I get in it's always in ECO. Same thing when I had it set for Normal as the default mode. I'll have to play with it today to check this out.
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Trying clearing what you have in vehicle settings and make the selection from the switch on the center console and see if that duplicates what we're saying.
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Is this a Canadian requirement? When I purchased my 2018, I only set my driving mode from the IDS switch on the center console, never in the vehicle settings. My setting is always on Sport every time I start it, but if I set it to Econ, Normal, or Sport+ (from the IDS switch), that's what it is the next time I start it.
#149
Ok, I figured it out. In vehicle settings, the four modes are listed that you can choose the car to start in...including "Last Used", which is how mine is set.
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#151
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Why do you care what random people think about your car? I never buy car for other people to look at... This is strange argument...
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#153
Seems like a poor design choice then. In every other car, the immediacy of power is directly related to how quickly and how deeply you bury the accelerator. In no other car would you expect the car to respond and accelerate slower because you were too fast on the throttle.
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Azine Jabroni
Once you own it, though, who cares what the car looks like?
#157
From the pictues here I think you drive a Model 3. In my opinion there are few cars on the road that are uglier both inside and out. For me it would be Model S or nothing.
#158
I'm saying the V6 sound isn't annoying, I actually like it seeing that the V6 is otherwise so quiet. I have no experience with the sound being piped in on the 2.0T
#159
LA is it's own special kind of place. I used to live in Brentwood, and the amount of vanity going on there is unparalleled.
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