Honda430

Moving fron second to third is upshifting I believe. Maybe its throttle lag. What happens is that you're in second and you want go faster. Well there can be delay because I believe the throttle is not telling the engine immeadiately that you want to go faster. Now that I spelled it out for me let's call it thottle lag.

Honda430

I thought it did too much shifting, but goodness was it better than the 2015 which was borderline dangerous to drive.

mapleloaf

Just to clarify, the 1G doesn't default back to the last setting used if changed while driving, but rather the mode you select in the settings menu. I suspect that's what you meant to say.

Honda430

Autostop is not engaged in sport. I'm thinking not letting the car remain in sport once the engine in turned off may have been some requirement dictated by EPA. Regardless it's not that big of a deal since you just flck the mode knob to put it back in sport or press the button to have it default to your individual setting.

Honda430

Accept for sports +.

ESHBG

I'm wondering if they did/will even produce enough for this to be an issue.

loki

No, I'm referring to turbo lag. I've had turbo cars for 20 years, I know them very well. I'm talking about when I smash the pedal off the line, it reminds me of 1983 MB where you crawl, crawl for about a second or two and then it takes off. Which also sucks (acceleration). Trans lag is also quite noticable but the turbo lag was so bad I didn't even pay attention to trans. Pedal shifter inputs are very delayed too. Fake engine noise is there even when radio is loud. But all that aside, turbo lag, turbo lag, turbo lag. It's awful. It's almost full two seconds before you feel that you are overcoming it. This car not only it has no business being touted as a sports car but legitimately could be unsafe if you're trying to get out of someone's or something's way. With that much turbo lag and transmission delay, you're bound to run into unsafe situation.

loki

Except there is no sport+ (or sports+ ) mode. Shows how much time you spent with the car you dropped $50k+ on.

Get many blonde smiles yet?

fiatlux

No, mine stays in sport mode even if I select it while driving.

fiatlux

I’m confused, if you’re in 2nd gear and want to go faster, why would it upshift to 3rd gear? It should either stay in 2nd or downshift to 1st. Unless your car is broken, it should never immediately upshift when you want to accelerate. The higher the gear, the less torque multiplication you get.

Carnage719

Is this a Canadian requirement? When I purchased my 2018, I only set my driving mode from the IDS switch on the center console, never in the vehicle settings. My setting is always on Sport every time I start it, but if I set it to Econ, Normal, or Sport+ (from the IDS switch), that's what it is the next time I start it.

Honda430

i was referring to the TLX-1. There is no sports + in the TLX-2. No blondes, but I was en Hollywood last night where some type of Iranian street festival was taking place. Tons of high end vehicles. I didn’t feel out of place. I thought that looks wise the car held its own

Honda430

I was confused. I believe the issue is with the drive by wire sensors that interpret peddle input. They seem to communicate best with the engine when you provide firm pressure on the peddle.

fiatlux

I’m not sure how much firmer you can get than putting the pedal all the way to the floor, unless you’re saying that you need to be more smooth with the accelerator for the car to respond quicker?

In any case, I don’t think it’s a pedal response issue. If you put the car first into the appropriate gear and mat the pedal, the car responds immediately. It’s almost 100% a transmission issue because the lag comes from how long it takes to downshift, and then a subsequent delay in power before it really takes off.

Honda430

Exactly, smooth input provokes a quicker response. Also I suspect there’s some nanny logic built into the programming so that if you press down hard on the peddle abruptly it’s going to delay just in case your foot had slipped off the break and onto the accelerator.

fiatlux

Seems like a poor design choice then. In every other car, the immediacy of power is directly related to how quickly and how deeply you bury the accelerator. In no other car would you expect the car to respond and accelerate slower because you were too fast on the throttle.

Honda430

It might be, but that’s the way it seems to work. RDX has the same tendency.

fiatlux

I know. Acura engineers already said they limit torque in the lower gears to protect the driveline. It wouldn’t be a stretch to assume the same issue exists in the TLX, and that the slow downshifting is also to protect the driveline.

Beaverking

whats the chances this is prominent in type s vs being fixed because of the extra power?

Legend2TL

DO you have a URL or Acura PR that states that?

Taz69

This 10 speed transmission has been in the Accord for years. The Accord has no lag. Also I have not seen any transmission failures yet. So it can be programed to downshift and work just great. The Accord 2.0T also has very very little turbo lag. So if you driving an Acura product and it has those tendencies it was programed in there. I know my wifes 2018 Santa Fe Sport limited (2.0T) Has this exact lag you are taking about. Slow down for a car and jump on the gas it has a delay. Turn sharp right or left from a stop it has delay. When I asked a mechanic why the Optima 2.0T did not act this way he said on the SUV they program something called torque limit power on demand. It pulls back power and if I drove with a scan tool I would see the pedal and engine inputs would be way different. Its a nanny and its there to keep you from spinning your front tires in a big top heavy SUV with FWD. To me its a danger my wife barely notices it. I tried a pedal commander and it did nothing for the delay. My mom drives a Ford edge titanium 2.0T and it has no lag. So every car make is different. These turbo 2.0T engine make so much tq down low that (like the Accord) if you are not careful with the throttle and panic and jump on the gas pulling out in traffic it will smoke the tires. Biggest complaint of the Accord is that it spins the tires real easy and you can look kind of dumb if you are not carful on the throttle.

kurtatx

Yeah, but it would be a hell of a lot better with a ZF8

Acura strives to compete with the big boys, but won't pony up for the big boy auto. It's really unfortunate.

Carnage719

That's different than "all ZF9s are bad."

Tesla1856

1. I test drove the 1G 2020 TLX-V6 Tech/SH-AWD . Very nice car. Quick and fast (none of this lag business).

The only problem I saw was:
a. Out-dated Infotainment (same as our old 2014-MDX )
b. It was black (so wrong color ... no more black cars for me)

2021 TLX was suppose to be all-around better.

2. Thanks for report. This issue is so bizarre.

mapleloaf

That's odd. My car is set for Eco mode to start off my drives and I usually end in Normal or occasionally Sport mode. The next time I get in it's always in ECO. Same thing when I had it set for Normal as the default mode. I'll have to play with it today to check this out.

Carnage719

The sound is not annoying or droning, you just know it's not your real exhaust note.

Carnage719

I never set anything in the vehicle settings and only use the IDS switch on the center console. If you set Eco (or any other mode) in the vehicle settings as the default, that's probably why the car always starts in that mode.

Trying clearing what you have in vehicle settings and make the selection from the switch on the center console and see if that duplicates what we're saying.

mapleloaf

Could be, but not sure why that would exist. I actually prefer the default mode as I like to start out the drive in Eco, particularly when it's residential driving, which I usually don't end with. Time to experiment today and report back.

Carnage719

Ok, I figured it out. In vehicle settings, the four modes are listed that you can choose the car to start in...including "Last Used", which is how mine is set.

Tesla1856

It's annoying to me, and I don't even own the car (yet).

It would be nice if someone knew:
a. Where it is coming from.
b. How it is being generated.
c. How to turn it off.

RedOctober

Why do you care what random people think about your car? I never buy car for other people to look at... This is strange argument...

kurtatx

If he didn't care about what the car looked like, he would have bought the Accord (a better, cheaper car)

alpha0

I saw a thread on 1G forum about sprint booster helping with this delay, hope they can reprogram 2G also.

fiatlux

It was in a post here on AZ, someone had talked to one of the Acura engineers at an event for the RDX. Don't remember which thread it was in, probably in the 3G RDX forum.

Honda430

Isn't that what car styling is all about? I think a large portion of the car buying public wants to drive something that attracts attention. At least that tends to be the case here in Los Angeles.

kurtatx

Yup. I think that's how they're sold.

Once you own it, though, who cares what the car looks like?

Honda430

From the pictues here I think you drive a Model 3. In my opinion there are few cars on the road that are uglier both inside and out. For me it would be Model S or nothing.

Carnage719

I'm saying the V6 sound isn't annoying, I actually like it seeing that the V6 is otherwise so quiet. I have no experience with the sound being piped in on the 2.0T

fiatlux

LA is it's own special kind of place. I used to live in Brentwood, and the amount of vanity going on there is unparalleled.

Carnage719

Unless someone's taking his picture at the GAS pump, it's spoofing EVs.