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09-05-2020, 12:01 PM
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Happy you have one and you’re enjoying it. No disrespect to you.
But please check Infiniti sales number last year and this year. The Q50 should be selling like hot cakes. Infiniti gives you 400HP and almost $8K discount (Canada). For $60K Canadian, there is no car at that price with 400HP. Yet Infiniti sells less than 200 units a month. Almost the same goes in the US. So yes, doesn’t matter how good or fast the car is. I can tell you it doesnt sell. If a car doesn’t sell, to me it’s a failure.
Again, no disrespect to you or your choice.
But please check Infiniti sales number last year and this year. The Q50 should be selling like hot cakes. Infiniti gives you 400HP and almost $8K discount (Canada). For $60K Canadian, there is no car at that price with 400HP. Yet Infiniti sells less than 200 units a month. Almost the same goes in the US. So yes, doesn’t matter how good or fast the car is. I can tell you it doesnt sell. If a car doesn’t sell, to me it’s a failure.
Again, no disrespect to you or your choice.
In regards to the other post the Steer by wire is an option you don’t have to get and BMW also has that yet nobody complains. It’s an excuse. You can get a Performance exhaust if you don’t like the perforated one. Again people aren’t buying the car because Nissan was run by a criminal moron that didn’t know what he was doing.
09-05-2020, 12:54 PM
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09-05-2020, 12:59 PM
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I'm going to quote myself:
You can go on pumping the sunshine and drinking the koolaid, that's your prerogative, but as folks who have been following Acura for a while have learned over the past decade, you do so at your own risk. I still hope Acura can recapture some of the magic from the 90s and 2000s, but until they prove that the 2010s was just an aberration and not the new normal, I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt just yet.
[Negativity] is what happens when you hype things up but let reveals and launches drag on, all with too much secrecy and too little details, and especially when you don’t have the track record lately to back up the hype. Consider it a defense mechanism after the last batch of stinkers; take a bearish mentality, and you’re less likely to be disappointed by the final product.
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09-05-2020, 01:00 PM
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It doesn’t sell because they don’t advertise at all. Not many people still even know a Red Sport exists outside enthusiasts. So it has nothing much more to do with anything other than the fact there has never been one Red Sport commercial ever.
In regards to the other post the Steer by wire is an option you don’t have to get and BMW also has that yet nobody complains. It’s an excuse. You can get a Performance exhaust if you don’t like the perforated one. Again people aren’t buying the car because Nissan was run by a criminal moron that didn’t know what he was doing.
In regards to the other post the Steer by wire is an option you don’t have to get and BMW also has that yet nobody complains. It’s an excuse. You can get a Performance exhaust if you don’t like the perforated one. Again people aren’t buying the car because Nissan was run by a criminal moron that didn’t know what he was doing.
Red Sport came out during a mid refresh cycle. Another reason why it got lost in the shuffle. By that time, all the hype on new model was over and no one really cared. Plus Infiniti has just lost steam with all their models now and barely generate any traffic at their dealerships. Old stale product is to blame. I just don't see stand alone dealers lasting for too long in North America if this keeps up. Brand is already dead in Europe and Australia.
09-05-2020, 01:25 PM
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It doesn’t sell because they don’t advertise at all. Not many people still even know a Red Sport exists outside enthusiasts. So it has nothing much more to do with anything other than the fact there has never been one Red Sport commercial ever.
In regards to the other post the Steer by wire is an option you don’t have to get and BMW also has that yet nobody complains. It’s an excuse. You can get a Performance exhaust if you don’t like the perforated one. Again people aren’t buying the car because Nissan was run by a criminal moron that didn’t know what he was doing.
In regards to the other post the Steer by wire is an option you don’t have to get and BMW also has that yet nobody complains. It’s an excuse. You can get a Performance exhaust if you don’t like the perforated one. Again people aren’t buying the car because Nissan was run by a criminal moron that didn’t know what he was doing.
I like how the trim packages build on each other (similar to Acura and Audi ). They should have a full feature matrix chart of the models (ie, easy to see which models, if any, have folding mirrors for example).
Looks a little lite on the Advanced AI tech (like Traffic-Jam-Assist).
AWD looks the be "forum approved" since it runs RWD-0/100 and up to AWD-50/50 .
Fuel Economy is fairly comical, but you are not buying this car to save on gas.
Never saw if transmission was CVT or not. Interesting they discontinued the Hybrid when most others are moving to PHEV.
Sounds like this sedan's basic architecture is a bit dated if 2013 is reference (but if 2016, that's not too bad).
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09-05-2020, 10:38 PM
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It doesn’t sell because they don’t advertise at all. Not many people still even know a Red Sport exists outside enthusiasts. So it has nothing much more to do with anything other than the fact there has never been one Red Sport commercial ever.
In regards to the other post the Steer by wire is an option you don’t have to get and BMW also has that yet nobody complains. It’s an excuse. You can get a Performance exhaust if you don’t like the perforated one. Again people aren’t buying the car because Nissan was run by a criminal moron that didn’t know what he was doing.
In regards to the other post the Steer by wire is an option you don’t have to get and BMW also has that yet nobody complains. It’s an excuse. You can get a Performance exhaust if you don’t like the perforated one. Again people aren’t buying the car because Nissan was run by a criminal moron that didn’t know what he was doing.
Extremely outdated interior
Fit and finish are poor
Doesn’t offer anything to separate it it from a basic Q50, except a S badge
Infiniti doesn’t have the brand prestige
Dealers are shutting down and Nissan’s COO go and say Infiniti will be Nissan Plus. What do we expect? People spend $60K for Nissan Plus. Competition is crazy.
Just look at this forum, Acura TLX with a brand new engine, beautiful design, and decent power (type S) is getting criticized lol! Do you think people will buy Q50 and ignore all the flaws?
could be more reasons but these come to mind right now.
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09-06-2020, 01:38 AM
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Not 100% true brother! Those who spend $50-$60K know very well the Q50 Red exist. The reason it Doesn’t sell in my humble opinion is:
Extremely outdated interior
Fit and finish are poor
Doesn’t offer anything to separate it it from a basic Q50, except a S badge
Infiniti doesn’t have the brand prestige
Dealers are shutting down and Nissan’s COO go and say Infiniti will be Nissan Plus. What do we expect? People spend $60K for Nissan Plus. Competition is crazy.
Just look at this forum, Acura TLX with a brand new engine, beautiful design, and decent power (type S) is getting criticized lol! Do you think people will buy Q50 and ignore all the flaws?
Extremely outdated interior
Fit and finish are poor
Doesn’t offer anything to separate it it from a basic Q50, except a S badge
Infiniti doesn’t have the brand prestige
Dealers are shutting down and Nissan’s COO go and say Infiniti will be Nissan Plus. What do we expect? People spend $60K for Nissan Plus. Competition is crazy.
Just look at this forum, Acura TLX with a brand new engine, beautiful design, and decent power (type S) is getting criticized lol! Do you think people will buy Q50 and ignore all the flaws?
2. Fit and Finish isn't going to be its strong suit. Acura built in OH ... it's poop.
3. TLX-S will have subtle design changes to distinguish it from the non-Type S. Slightly more than the Red Sport, but not much.
4. Acura doesn't have brand prestige either.
5. Acura is viewed by many as simply being Honda Plus to begin with. Many go for Acura because of Honda's reputation of reliability, not because it's a prestigious brand or do luxury particularly well.
Type S makes noticeably less power than the Red Sport and hopefully won't make the mistake of starting it in the mid-$50k range (with how things are going, it probably will). Q50RS is a gorgeous car IMO, it's just been hampered by Nissan's failing reputation.
By your logic, the Type S won't sell very well either.
I think the main thing is that not many people are willing to spend nearly $60k+ on a Japanese brand. Even Lexus's products struggle at the higher end. When looking at performance and luxury for the dollar, the Type S isn't going to be the bargain that people are looking for from a Japanese luxury brand. Then again, I highly doubt Honda/Acura are expecting the Type S to be more than a very low volume seller. Just my 2 cents.
09-06-2020, 08:01 AM
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1. Interior is much better than the 2G
2. Fit and Finish isn't going to be its strong suit. Acura built in OH ... it's poop.
3. TLX-S will have subtle design changes to distinguish it from the non-Type S. Slightly more than the Red Sport, but not much.
4. Acura doesn't have brand prestige either.
5. Acura is viewed by many as simply being Honda Plus to begin with. Many go for Acura because of Honda's reputation of reliability, not because it's a prestigious brand or do luxury particularly well.
Type S makes noticeably less power than the Red Sport and hopefully won't make the mistake of starting it in the mid-$50k range (with how things are going, it probably will). Q50RS is a gorgeous car IMO, it's just been hampered by Nissan's failing reputation.
By your logic, the Type S won't sell very well either.
I think the main thing is that not many people are willing to spend nearly $60k+ on a Japanese brand. Even Lexus's products struggle at the higher end. When looking at performance and luxury for the dollar, the Type S isn't going to be the bargain that people are looking for from a Japanese luxury brand. Then again, I highly doubt Honda/Acura are expecting the Type S to be more than a very low volume seller. Just my 2 cents.
2. Fit and Finish isn't going to be its strong suit. Acura built in OH ... it's poop.
3. TLX-S will have subtle design changes to distinguish it from the non-Type S. Slightly more than the Red Sport, but not much.
4. Acura doesn't have brand prestige either.
5. Acura is viewed by many as simply being Honda Plus to begin with. Many go for Acura because of Honda's reputation of reliability, not because it's a prestigious brand or do luxury particularly well.
Type S makes noticeably less power than the Red Sport and hopefully won't make the mistake of starting it in the mid-$50k range (with how things are going, it probably will). Q50RS is a gorgeous car IMO, it's just been hampered by Nissan's failing reputation.
By your logic, the Type S won't sell very well either.
I think the main thing is that not many people are willing to spend nearly $60k+ on a Japanese brand. Even Lexus's products struggle at the higher end. When looking at performance and luxury for the dollar, the Type S isn't going to be the bargain that people are looking for from a Japanese luxury brand. Then again, I highly doubt Honda/Acura are expecting the Type S to be more than a very low volume seller. Just my 2 cents.
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09-06-2020, 09:04 AM
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1. Interior is much better than the 2G
2. Fit and Finish isn't going to be its strong suit. Acura built in OH ... it's poop.
3. TLX-S will have subtle design changes to distinguish it from the non-Type S. Slightly more than the Red Sport, but not much.
4. Acura doesn't have brand prestige either.
5. Acura is viewed by many as simply being Honda Plus to begin with. Many go for Acura because of Honda's reputation of reliability, not because it's a prestigious brand or do luxury particularly well.
Type S makes noticeably less power than the Red Sport and hopefully won't make the mistake of starting it in the mid-$50k range (with how things are going, it probably will). Q50RS is a gorgeous car IMO, it's just been hampered by Nissan's failing reputation.
By your logic, the Type S won't sell very well either.
I think the main thing is that not many people are willing to spend nearly $60k+ on a Japanese brand. Even Lexus's products struggle at the higher end. When looking at performance and luxury for the dollar, the Type S isn't going to be the bargain that people are looking for from a Japanese luxury brand. Then again, I highly doubt Honda/Acura are expecting the Type S to be more than a very low volume seller. Just my 2 cents.
2. Fit and Finish isn't going to be its strong suit. Acura built in OH ... it's poop.
3. TLX-S will have subtle design changes to distinguish it from the non-Type S. Slightly more than the Red Sport, but not much.
4. Acura doesn't have brand prestige either.
5. Acura is viewed by many as simply being Honda Plus to begin with. Many go for Acura because of Honda's reputation of reliability, not because it's a prestigious brand or do luxury particularly well.
Type S makes noticeably less power than the Red Sport and hopefully won't make the mistake of starting it in the mid-$50k range (with how things are going, it probably will). Q50RS is a gorgeous car IMO, it's just been hampered by Nissan's failing reputation.
By your logic, the Type S won't sell very well either.
I think the main thing is that not many people are willing to spend nearly $60k+ on a Japanese brand. Even Lexus's products struggle at the higher end. When looking at performance and luxury for the dollar, the Type S isn't going to be the bargain that people are looking for from a Japanese luxury brand. Then again, I highly doubt Honda/Acura are expecting the Type S to be more than a very low volume seller. Just my 2 cents.
At the current moment, we know Acura sells at least 20-30% more car in the US and over 40% in Canada. If you have any numbers to argue that, please share with all of us. May be Infiniti sales numbers are not accurately published 😜
09-06-2020, 10:53 AM
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You made at least 5 assumptions without even seeing the new TLX and driving it. Let’s talk later as right now, you’re points aren’t valid to me. We will see the sales numbers in 6-12 months then review your points.
At the current moment, we know Acura sells at least 20-30% more car in the US and over 40% in Canada. If you have any numbers to argue that, please share with all of us. May be Infiniti sales numbers are not accurately published 😜
At the current moment, we know Acura sells at least 20-30% more car in the US and over 40% in Canada. If you have any numbers to argue that, please share with all of us. May be Infiniti sales numbers are not accurately published 😜
The reason Infiniti is failing is because Nissan is failing. People still largely associate Japanese luxury brands with their non-luxury counterparts. Acura is the same with Honda. Lexus has done a much better job of separating itself from Toyota, but even today, many reviews compare Lexus to its Toyota model. Acura may outsell Infiniti, but it has seen declining US sales since 2005 (with some ebbs and flows).
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09-06-2020, 10:57 AM
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Exactly. Acura is going to be dangerously close to that. With mark-up and TTL, you'll likely eclipse the $60k mark. Most people won't stop laughing at that price for a midsized Acura sedan until they arrive at the local BMW/MB/Audi dealership in town.
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The only assumption I made was #2. They were in reply to your own responses as to why you speculate the Q50RS doesn't sell.
The reason Infiniti is failing is because Nissan is failing. People still largely associate Japanese luxury brands with their non-luxury counterparts. Acura is the same with Honda. Lexus has done a much better job of separating itself from Toyota, but even today, many reviews compare Lexus to its Toyota model. Acura may outsell Infiniti, but it has seen declining US sales since 2005 (with some ebbs and flows).
The reason Infiniti is failing is because Nissan is failing. People still largely associate Japanese luxury brands with their non-luxury counterparts. Acura is the same with Honda. Lexus has done a much better job of separating itself from Toyota, but even today, many reviews compare Lexus to its Toyota model. Acura may outsell Infiniti, but it has seen declining US sales since 2005 (with some ebbs and flows).
Honestly Lexus is the only Japanese luxury brand that really stepped up their game. Anyway; let’s see what the new TLX and MDX bring on the table. We will know after 6-12 months. Too early to judge.
09-06-2020, 07:50 PM
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i don’t disagree with you. Nissan screwed up and as a result Infiniti started failing. Don’t get me wrong, Acura isn’t any great. But Acura was able to maintain their sales post the highest decline of 2008. And now with new RDX, TLX and MDX. We can clearly see they are heading the right direction.
Honestly Lexus is the only Japanese luxury brand that really stepped up their game. Anyway; let’s see what the new TLX and MDX bring on the table. We will know after 6-12 months. Too early to judge.
Honestly Lexus is the only Japanese luxury brand that really stepped up their game. Anyway; let’s see what the new TLX and MDX bring on the table. We will know after 6-12 months. Too early to judge.
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Really? IS is a total failure and they're just refreshing it instead of building a proper sedan. GS was just axed and LX is barely selling, same for RC. The Germans drive in circle around their F cars. The only thing that's actually moving some sales numbers is their fancy FWD Avalon aka Lexus ES and RX is a major success.
if we look at their current lineup, they got RX, NX and ES.
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09-07-2020, 08:58 AM
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Honda produces a jet for worldwide customers but that's associated with Honda.
Acura is mainly a north american division of Honda.
ahhh, so we see where Honda has gone wrong. Toyota has built the Lexus brand into a worldwide brand, while Honda is geographically limited to the North America's with it's Acura brand
Acura is mainly a north american division of Honda.
ahhh, so we see where Honda has gone wrong. Toyota has built the Lexus brand into a worldwide brand, while Honda is geographically limited to the North America's with it's Acura brand
09-07-2020, 09:40 AM
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with all respect to you, please don’t even bring Q50 in this forum lol.
Infiniti also gives a 400HP with an amazing price and still no one buys it. It doesn’t matter what Infiniti does at this moment, it’s irrelevant. The company is shutting down dealers across the world.
Infiniti also gives a 400HP with an amazing price and still no one buys it. It doesn’t matter what Infiniti does at this moment, it’s irrelevant. The company is shutting down dealers across the world.
09-07-2020, 10:32 AM
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It's not the car(s). They're great. Infiniti dealership experience is why the brand is failing. Before I got my 2.0T 6MT Accord, I shopped Infiniti as well. Dealerships are so bad that I crossed it off due to that, not the car. They're sleazy, high pressure, deceitful and manipulating. I never want to step foot in there ever again. And no, it wasn't just one dealer. I had same experience at Toyota, Genesis and VW. Honda dealers were the most laid back, mostly honest and near zero pressure. And the only ones who actually didn't mind negotiating over email, even on trade values. Not everything comes down to fractions of a second to 0-60. That is a novelty that wears off after a month.
Recently my colleague went for service and he legit told me never again. It makes sense.
09-07-2020, 07:40 PM
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Actually I have heard that a few times. My brother was shopping for a car 3 years ago, he told me the same story. He said the guy was pushing him and forcing him to sign now. He sales guy was extremely pushy and desperate to make a sale.
Recently my colleague went for service and he legit told me never again. It makes sense.
Recently my colleague went for service and he legit told me never again. It makes sense.
. They had several models sitting in stock which they couldn't move for months but he needs a deposit to hold the car for me incase they sell out. Just pathetic.
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Yes, I agree. When I inquired about a Red Sport the sales guy was requesting my credit card details before we even spoke about numbers. It just reeked desperation. When I questioned him about it, he told me he needs to hold the car for me now by taking a deposit. They had several models sitting in stock which they couldn't move for months but he needs a deposit to hold the car for me incase they sell out. Just pathetic.
. They had several models sitting in stock which they couldn't move for months but he needs a deposit to hold the car for me incase they sell out. Just pathetic.
09-07-2020, 10:09 PM
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Accord 2.0T 10AT can easily get to 60 in 5.5 and with decent tires, close to flat 5. As someone mentioned, C&D officially got it to 60 in 5.3.
There's no scenario where TLX 2.0T will get below 6 seconds with that much weight. Just not going to happen, even with SH-AWD. TLX FWD is 750 lbs heavier than the Accord, SH-AWD is nearly a thousand lbs. That's like having 3 grown men in the Accord (in addition to the driver of course).
Science.
There's no scenario where TLX 2.0T will get below 6 seconds with that much weight. Just not going to happen, even with SH-AWD. TLX FWD is 750 lbs heavier than the Accord, SH-AWD is nearly a thousand lbs. That's like having 3 grown men in the Accord (in addition to the driver of course).
Science.
09-07-2020, 10:10 PM
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Accord 2.0T 10AT can easily get to 60 in 5.5 and with decent tires, close to flat 5. As someone mentioned, C&D officially got it to 60 in 5.3.
There's no scenario where TLX 2.0T will get below 6 seconds with that much weight. Just not going to happen, even with SH-AWD. TLX FWD is 750 lbs heavier than the Accord, SH-AWD is nearly a thousand lbs. That's like having 3 grown men in the Accord (in addition to the driver of course).
Science.
There's no scenario where TLX 2.0T will get below 6 seconds with that much weight. Just not going to happen, even with SH-AWD. TLX FWD is 750 lbs heavier than the Accord, SH-AWD is nearly a thousand lbs. That's like having 3 grown men in the Accord (in addition to the driver of course).
Science.
09-08-2020, 01:04 AM
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Why would it matter how the SH-AWD system is tuned? Unless this is a high horsepower monster that’s traction limited, it’s not going to make one iota of difference. You’re just grasping at straws here. This has the same engine and transmission as the RDX and the same exact power numbers, and practically the same weight. What makes you think that it won’t perform similarly? Just because it’s a sedan? Physics does not care what the shape of the car is for 0-60 runs. Power, gearing, and mass is what matters.
Only thing I can consider is drag coefficient, and that doesn't really matter until you're going 60+, in reality.
09-08-2020, 06:35 AM
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At 4028-lbs, the 2.0T TLX SH-AWD Advance will likely have trouble keeping up with a Honda Odyssey, let alone an Accord. An Odyssey has a 5-60 time of 6.7s, which is 0.3s faster than the 4020-lbs RDX SH-AWD A-spec.
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09-08-2020, 08:56 AM
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In SH-AWD 2.0T form, yes the new TLX is most likely slower than the G1 V6. But the new FWD model could match it, or even beat it by a hair.
At 4028-lbs, the 2.0T TLX SH-AWD Advance will likely have trouble keeping up with a Honda Odyssey, let alone an Accord. An Odyssey has a 5-60 time of 6.7s, which is 0.3s faster than the 4020-lbs RDX SH-AWD A-spec.
At 4028-lbs, the 2.0T TLX SH-AWD Advance will likely have trouble keeping up with a Honda Odyssey, let alone an Accord. An Odyssey has a 5-60 time of 6.7s, which is 0.3s faster than the 4020-lbs RDX SH-AWD A-spec.
09-08-2020, 09:05 AM
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I'm not looking for something but can keep up with a BMW m340i, but it would be nice to have a four-door, daily driver, family sedan that is well appointed and still can hustle off the line. Those options exist, and those options even exist for around $50,000. I don't see how the Type-S really does any significant sales unless they find a way to tune the engine and get it to do something at least close to the Kia stinger.
09-08-2020, 01:04 PM
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Wrong. It's not selling for a number of reasons. Car is dated with a terrible infotainment and crappy driving dynamics. I test drove Red Sport without drive by wire and the steering was still crap.
Red Sport came out during a mid refresh cycle. Another reason why it got lost in the shuffle. By that time, all the hype on new model was over and no one really cared. Plus Infiniti has just lost steam with all their models now and barely generate any traffic at their dealerships. Old stale product is to blame. I just don't see stand alone dealers lasting for too long in North America if this keeps up. Brand is already dead in Europe and Australia.
Red Sport came out during a mid refresh cycle. Another reason why it got lost in the shuffle. By that time, all the hype on new model was over and no one really cared. Plus Infiniti has just lost steam with all their models now and barely generate any traffic at their dealerships. Old stale product is to blame. I just don't see stand alone dealers lasting for too long in North America if this keeps up. Brand is already dead in Europe and Australia.
Again the car is failing because Nissan is failing and they have no Advertising division worth a damn.
09-08-2020, 02:37 PM
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It's not wrong, there is no advertising for the car period. I've been asked several times about my car from people who had no idea about it. Including friends who are car enthusiast but don't care about Japanese cars. The steering isn't "crap' that's your opinion not shared by many who have spent time with the car. The car has Apple Car Play and Android Auto. What else are you expecting out of infotainment? I don't care how the screens look and they look better than a glued on Ipad, I care about how the car drives.
Again the car is failing because Nissan is failing and they have no Advertising division worth a damn.
Again the car is failing because Nissan is failing and they have no Advertising division worth a damn.
Infiniti used to be a great brand when they came up with G series. But honestly, it's nothing to do with advertising. Infiniti is just a meh brand now and they aren't giving any vehicle that's exciting. There is no news about infiniti in the media at all. Just to give you another example, Infiniti did crazy promotions for QX50 and are giving insane incentives ( I am sure you're aware of it), yet the car failed miserably. Why? the QX50 is in one of the best segments right now in NA. But the car is selling less than the previous generation. It's a shame.
Yes, Nissan screwed up Infiniti. There is no doubt about it. But sales number don't like. check Infiniti's sales number for 2019 and now. Declining!
09-08-2020, 03:57 PM
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Kense - I don't think anyone wants to insult your car.
Infiniti used to be a great brand when they came up with G series. But honestly, it's nothing to do with advertising. Infiniti is just a meh brand now and they aren't giving any vehicle that's exciting. There is no news about infiniti in the media at all. Just to give you another example, Infiniti did crazy promotions for QX50 and are giving insane incentives ( I am sure you're aware of it), yet the car failed miserably. Why? the QX50 is in one of the best segments right now in NA. But the car is selling less than the previous generation. It's a shame.
Yes, Nissan screwed up Infiniti. There is no doubt about it. But sales number don't like. check Infiniti's sales number for 2019 and now. Declining!
Infiniti used to be a great brand when they came up with G series. But honestly, it's nothing to do with advertising. Infiniti is just a meh brand now and they aren't giving any vehicle that's exciting. There is no news about infiniti in the media at all. Just to give you another example, Infiniti did crazy promotions for QX50 and are giving insane incentives ( I am sure you're aware of it), yet the car failed miserably. Why? the QX50 is in one of the best segments right now in NA. But the car is selling less than the previous generation. It's a shame.
Yes, Nissan screwed up Infiniti. There is no doubt about it. But sales number don't like. check Infiniti's sales number for 2019 and now. Declining!
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09-08-2020, 04:07 PM
#111
I'm not insulted, I just don't like misinformation. My lease is about to be up and I'm getting a BMW anyways. The QX50 is a total failure because they added a CVT transmission. Nobody wants that disaster of a tranny in their car. The FX35 was a classic Crossover that people loved and it sold well. Infiniti was destroyed when they brought in bad leadership like Johan de Nyssche then Carlos Ghosn (Spelling). They scrapped the Eau Rouge concept, scraped the Black S, changed the Name from G to Q confusing people. They totally messed up the brand. There is no information about infiniti because they don't spend money advertising. Just a series of horrible moves by Nissan/Infinit.
Not that it mattered, because the CVT paired with the VC Turbo was just one (or two or three) too many variable things going on at once. I test drove it to do my due diligence, and came away wondering if whoever greenlit that car into production wasn't on crack at the time.
09-08-2020, 06:23 PM
#112
It's not wrong, there is no advertising for the car period. I've been asked several times about my car from people who had no idea about it. Including friends who are car enthusiast but don't care about Japanese cars. The steering isn't "crap' that's your opinion not shared by many who have spent time with the car. The car has Apple Car Play and Android Auto. What else are you expecting out of infotainment? I don't care how the screens look and they look better than a glued on Ipad, I care about how the car drives.
Again the car is failing because Nissan is failing and they have no Advertising division worth a damn.
Again the car is failing because Nissan is failing and they have no Advertising division worth a damn.
09-08-2020, 07:29 PM
#113
Burning Brakes
It might be targeted, but up until recently Infiniti did a ton of advertising during NBA games. They even had endorsement deals with Steph Curry to star in some of the commercials, and that stupid VC Turbo commercial was seemingly on repeat during every commercial break.
Not that it mattered, because the CVT paired with the VC Turbo was just one (or two or three) too many variable things going on at once. I test drove it to do my due diligence, and came away wondering if whoever greenlit that car into production wasn't on crack at the time.
Not that it mattered, because the CVT paired with the VC Turbo was just one (or two or three) too many variable things going on at once. I test drove it to do my due diligence, and came away wondering if whoever greenlit that car into production wasn't on crack at the time.
09-08-2020, 07:54 PM
#114
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I think Infiniti does enough advertising on the radio (at least here in mtl). I don’t watch tv so I can’t comment.
The moral of the story is that Infiniti is just not performing and they need a better strategy to bounce back. Now they are going to reveal the new QX60. Let’s see. If the car comes with CVT. They are done. Let’s hope they have learnt their lesson from The failure of QX50.
Btw those of you who follow the car industry probably have noticed Infiniti is trying to steal the Show from Acura. When Acura revealEd the new TLX, Infiniti came up with the info about the QX55, unfortunately that went unnoticed. Now on the 28th, the actual TLX is coming out, they announced the reveal of QX60 lol!
The moral of the story is that Infiniti is just not performing and they need a better strategy to bounce back. Now they are going to reveal the new QX60. Let’s see. If the car comes with CVT. They are done. Let’s hope they have learnt their lesson from The failure of QX50.
Btw those of you who follow the car industry probably have noticed Infiniti is trying to steal the Show from Acura. When Acura revealEd the new TLX, Infiniti came up with the info about the QX55, unfortunately that went unnoticed. Now on the 28th, the actual TLX is coming out, they announced the reveal of QX60 lol!
09-08-2020, 08:56 PM
#115
Not one Infiniti Commercial mentioned the Red Sport or its 400 HP. All you saw was a Q50 with no specs or any explanation. They didn’t even show the inside of the car. People would just assume it’s a regular base Q50 with 300hp. Nothing about twin turbos or anything. It’s ridiculous
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09-08-2020, 09:15 PM
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I don’t think you can chalk up the lackluster sales to a lack of marketing. When was the last time you saw a C43 or S4 or M340i advertisement? I don’t even think I’ve seen one period. If there’s anything to blame, it is the reviews. These cars are bought by enthusiasts, and enthusiasts tend to do more research and read more reviews. I did a quick google search for “Infiniti RS400 review” and pretty much every review calls out the dated interior, numb steering, and poor infotainment system.
You brought up a few good points. I have never seen any advertising for c43 or S4 on the radio. Not sure about tv. Second, all the reviews say the Infiniti is outdated and the 400HP is slow. A vehicle with highest HP but the slowest.
Last year at the auto show in Montreal, Infiniti had a bigger reserved space than Lexus but no one was there. That’s advertising but poor cars and lineup won’t help to attract people.
let’s hope Infiniti bounces back. Unless as their coo said Nissan Plus. Then RIP!
09-08-2020, 09:23 PM
#117
Burning Brakes
In the meantime I see stupid Acura racing/thrill ads all the time on Youtube for TLX. When you try too hard it just looks pathetic.
That together with CVT will be the end of Infiniti. The Q50RS did have good acceleration, but the major kill points to me were:
- no folding rear seats
- infotainment way too similar to TLX
- smallish interior
- no cooled seats
09-08-2020, 09:50 PM
#118
As a whole, I would say the other thing that’s absolutely killing Infiniti is the demographic of people who are driving the older models from the 2000s. Maybe it’s just in my area, and I know this is going to sound racist as hell, but almost everyone I see driving an older G or FX is someone most buyers of new luxury cars would probably not want to be associated with.
09-08-2020, 10:00 PM
#119
Null and proud of it
As a whole, I would say the other thing that’s absolutely killing Infiniti is the demographic of people who are driving the older models from the 2000s. Maybe it’s just in my area, and I know this is going to sound racist as hell, but almost everyone I see driving an older G or FX is someone most buyers of new luxury cars would probably not want to be associated with.
You're not wacist.... you're stating facts. Same here bruh. I see Infinitis parked next to beater Impalas in ghetto neighborhoods all of the time.
Oh, and of course, the beat up 2005 G35 with broken bumpers I see at the wash like clockwork.
It seems to be the same with newer Infinitis too. Lots of new buyers that appear to be upside down in debt.
I work at a tunnel carwash, I know every car's demographic.
The stupidest drivers always drive Nissan Versas. #Facts
09-08-2020, 10:26 PM
#120
We know the Germans underrate their horsepower numbers but I think the issue with the RS400 isn't that it isn't 400 horsepower, it's the abysmal 7-speed transmission that was a pain in my 2011 G37X and still hasn't been fixed 10 years later. Certainly agree with the other issues previously mentioned but that's the biggest factor with the performance not measuring up to expectations from the specs.