9AT Hard Shift 1-2 and 2-3
#961
Just wondering... with the zf9 issues across various vehicle brands, how come the nhtsa hasnt done anything? Is it because it doesnt really pose any safety concerns?
To v6 owners who have had their trannies replaced, can you guys post the dealer name and service rep that can attest to the replacement?
Just a thought.... maybe we should all start hanging out in acura showrooms, small-chat with evey prospective buyer and mention to them the tlx v6 issues and how acura refuses to own up to the problem. Lol
To v6 owners who have had their trannies replaced, can you guys post the dealer name and service rep that can attest to the replacement?
Just a thought.... maybe we should all start hanging out in acura showrooms, small-chat with evey prospective buyer and mention to them the tlx v6 issues and how acura refuses to own up to the problem. Lol
Last edited by mondster; 12-04-2015 at 10:13 PM.
#962
if acura would of stuck with the 6speed this car would be amazing, but more gears better fuel economy is what the people want. i rather shift better with more power ![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
dealer called the service manager and regional rep is testing the vehicle now. hopefully they pull the trigger and decide to replace
![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
dealer called the service manager and regional rep is testing the vehicle now. hopefully they pull the trigger and decide to replace
#964
Styl1n
Well no luck they don't want to change it out even after all evidence they don't want to authorize the change my build date is 1/15 and the loaner I had was 3/15 the loaner had better response and and acceleration it felt good. I guess it Acura corporate now for complaints.
#966
#967
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
I believe you have to take it in and have this done - computer is required. Mine was done under warranty as a reaction to my complaints, so it shouldn't cost you anything other than time.
#968
https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/
#969
I also heard from ACR yesterday and was told that they have received complaints that people are unhappy with the way the transmission is performing. At least we have acknowledgment. I was also told, whether its true or not, that all cases opened with ACR (phone, twitter, facebook, email, etc) can be reviewed by the engineers.
#970
Just wondering... with the zf9 issues across various vehicle brands, how come the nhtsa hasnt done anything? Is it because it doesnt really pose any safety concerns?
To v6 owners who have had their trannies replaced, can you guys post the dealer name and service rep that can attest to the replacement?
Just a thought.... maybe we should all start hanging out in acura showrooms, small-chat with evey prospective buyer and mention to them the tlx v6 issues and how acura refuses to own up to the problem. Lol
To v6 owners who have had their trannies replaced, can you guys post the dealer name and service rep that can attest to the replacement?
Just a thought.... maybe we should all start hanging out in acura showrooms, small-chat with evey prospective buyer and mention to them the tlx v6 issues and how acura refuses to own up to the problem. Lol
I posted my invoice proving mine was replaced.
Still to today, the transmission is perfectly smooth (except for the occasional hiccup that comes from having 9 freakin gears.)
#971
Reading all the posts on this issue, I am wondering if the problem is a sticky dog clutch. There is another video posted on this form that shows the buildup of the ZF transmission and how the dog clutch works. It is hydraulically driven. There was a stop sale late last year for certain TLX's because of contamination in the transmissions that could interfere with the park setting. The indicator would show the transmission was in park but it was not. The fix was to flush the transmissions to remove contamination. I am now wondering if many may have contamination left over interfering with the dog clutch? I wonder if a flush may correct it? I have a SH-awd that was built after the stop sale and while I notice the 2-3 shift it is no where near the jerkiness many describe. Just something I would explore if I was experiencing the problem.
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9SpeedTran (12-05-2015)
#972
Registered Abuser of VTEC
Reading all the posts on this issue, I am wondering if the problem is a sticky dog clutch. There is another video posted on this form that shows the buildup of the ZF transmission and how the dog clutch works. It is hydraulically driven. There was a stop sale late last year for certain TLX's because of contamination in the transmissions that could interfere with the park setting. The indicator would show the transmission was in park but it was not. The fix was to flush the transmissions to remove contamination. I am now wondering if many may have contamination left over interfering with the dog clutch? I wonder if a flush may correct it? I have a SH-awd that was built after the stop sale and while I notice the 2-3 shift it is no where near the jerkiness many describe. Just something I would explore if I was experiencing the problem.
#973
Instructor
#974
Styl1n
Tomorrow I will be emailing client relations with all the attachments and take it from there. This issue in my opinion is a programming thing and I think the older tranny cannot handle the new program. My 1/15 build car drives like a grandpa compared to the 3/15 build loaner car I had.
#975
Every once in a while (its happened twice in a month and a half) if I am accelerating and then have to suddenly lift my foot off the gas (pedestrian, squirrel, deer in road), the car has tried to engine brake instead of coast, and the tranny jumps just a bit. Nothing like what the previous tranny did before the switch out when it was upshifting.
Also, one thing the new transmission did not get fully ironed out was downshifting. You can still feel when the car goes from 3-2 (I think that is the shift). Again, not terrible, but not 100% perfect buttery smooth.
I have been paying very close attention to the shifts still... looking to see if any evidence of the previous issues would come back.
With my main gripe before being the awfully jerky 2-3 shift, that is completely gone.
I still wish Acura had put a different transmission in the car. At least it is much better than before. I am curious as to how the 10 speed will perform when that comes out.
Also, one thing the new transmission did not get fully ironed out was downshifting. You can still feel when the car goes from 3-2 (I think that is the shift). Again, not terrible, but not 100% perfect buttery smooth.
I have been paying very close attention to the shifts still... looking to see if any evidence of the previous issues would come back.
With my main gripe before being the awfully jerky 2-3 shift, that is completely gone.
I still wish Acura had put a different transmission in the car. At least it is much better than before. I am curious as to how the 10 speed will perform when that comes out.
#976
Every once in a while (its happened twice in a month and a half) if I am accelerating and then have to suddenly lift my foot off the gas (pedestrian, squirrel, deer in road), the car has tried to engine brake instead of coast, and the tranny jumps just a bit. Nothing like what the previous tranny did before the switch out when it was upshifting.
Also, one thing the new transmission did not get fully ironed out was downshifting. You can still feel when the car goes from 3-2 (I think that is the shift). Again, not terrible, but not 100% perfect buttery smooth.
I have been paying very close attention to the shifts still... looking to see if any evidence of the previous issues would come back.
With my main gripe before being the awfully jerky 2-3 shift, that is completely gone.
I still wish Acura had put a different transmission in the car. At least it is much better than before. I am curious as to how the 10 speed will perform when that comes out.
Also, one thing the new transmission did not get fully ironed out was downshifting. You can still feel when the car goes from 3-2 (I think that is the shift). Again, not terrible, but not 100% perfect buttery smooth.
I have been paying very close attention to the shifts still... looking to see if any evidence of the previous issues would come back.
With my main gripe before being the awfully jerky 2-3 shift, that is completely gone.
I still wish Acura had put a different transmission in the car. At least it is much better than before. I am curious as to how the 10 speed will perform when that comes out.
#977
Every once in a while (its happened twice in a month and a half) if I am accelerating and then have to suddenly lift my foot off the gas (pedestrian, squirrel, deer in road), the car has tried to engine brake instead of coast, and the tranny jumps just a bit. Nothing like what the previous tranny did before the switch out when it was upshifting.
Also, one thing the new transmission did not get fully ironed out was downshifting. You can still feel when the car goes from 3-2 (I think that is the shift). Again, not terrible, but not 100% perfect buttery smooth.
Also, one thing the new transmission did not get fully ironed out was downshifting. You can still feel when the car goes from 3-2 (I think that is the shift). Again, not terrible, but not 100% perfect buttery smooth.
#978
Burning Brakes
UPDATE: Drove the car about 150 miles over the weekend; stop & go, & highway
Still drives great; very slight shift hesitation, from 2nd -3rd; but IMHO, if I wasn't cognizant of past problems, I'd probably not even notice it.
The MPG is back to normal, & the power surge after 4th gear, is perfect
Using Sport+, exclusively, & 35PSI, in my Goodyear Eagles, all around
My SH-AWD/TLX/Tech, is about as good as it gets
Hopefully, it'll remain this way; Lovin' my ride!
Good luck all!
Still drives great; very slight shift hesitation, from 2nd -3rd; but IMHO, if I wasn't cognizant of past problems, I'd probably not even notice it.
The MPG is back to normal, & the power surge after 4th gear, is perfect
Using Sport+, exclusively, & 35PSI, in my Goodyear Eagles, all around
My SH-AWD/TLX/Tech, is about as good as it gets
Hopefully, it'll remain this way; Lovin' my ride!
Good luck all!
#980
Styl1n
UPDATE: Drove the car about 150 miles over the weekend; stop & go, & highway
Still drives great; very slight shift hesitation, from 2nd -3rd; but IMHO, if I wasn't cognizant of past problems, I'd probably not even notice it.
The MPG is back to normal, & the power surge after 4th gear, is perfect
Using Sport+, exclusively, & 35PSI, in my Goodyear Eagles, all around
My SH-AWD/TLX/Tech, is about as good as it gets
Hopefully, it'll remain this way; Lovin' my ride!
Good luck all!
Still drives great; very slight shift hesitation, from 2nd -3rd; but IMHO, if I wasn't cognizant of past problems, I'd probably not even notice it.
The MPG is back to normal, & the power surge after 4th gear, is perfect
Using Sport+, exclusively, & 35PSI, in my Goodyear Eagles, all around
My SH-AWD/TLX/Tech, is about as good as it gets
Hopefully, it'll remain this way; Lovin' my ride!
Good luck all!
#981
Burning Brakes
Not sure, but I took delivery on January 17th/2015
It must've been a '14
BTW: my previous posts, explored the multi problems I had, before this last fix
I'm hoping the grief is over
It must've been a '14
BTW: my previous posts, explored the multi problems I had, before this last fix
I'm hoping the grief is over
#982
Cruisin'
Well no luck they don't want to change it out even after all evidence they don't want to authorize the change my build date is 1/15 and the loaner I had was 3/15 the loaner had better response and and acceleration it felt good. I guess it Acura corporate now for complaints.
I'm waiting on a call back from ACR DCM. They called me 2 wednesdays ago and said they were going to call Cerritos Acura for more info and call me back last wednesday... not going to hold my breath, but will have my fingers crossed.
#983
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
I'm not going to let a tech drive my car without me if I can help it for this exact reason. Car shifts perfectly above 4000 rpm. The problem is between 2k and ~3.5k.
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9SpeedTran (12-07-2015)
#984
My TLX has been at the dealer for over 6 weeks. Just waiting. . . .
They've apparently been communicating with the factory. And a tech is going to do some more test driving.
Whatever.
We've got a 2016 RDX in the meantime. But I'm taking the train for the most part on my commute. I've had enough bad experiences for one year.
I feel like I'm down the rabbit hole every time I read these posts. It's discouraging, stressful, and oddly reassuring at the same time reading other's experiences.
They've apparently been communicating with the factory. And a tech is going to do some more test driving.
Whatever.
We've got a 2016 RDX in the meantime. But I'm taking the train for the most part on my commute. I've had enough bad experiences for one year.
I feel like I'm down the rabbit hole every time I read these posts. It's discouraging, stressful, and oddly reassuring at the same time reading other's experiences.
Last edited by newlybird17; 12-07-2015 at 10:22 PM. Reason: additional info
#985
My TLX has been at the dealer for over 6 weeks. Just waiting. . . .
They've apparently been communicating with the factory. And a tech is going to do some more test driving.
Whatever.
We've got a 2016 RDX in the meantime. But I'm taking the train for the most part on my commute. I've had enough bad experiences for one year.
I feel like I'm down the rabbit hole every time I read these posts. It's discouraging, stressful, and oddly reassuring at the same time reading other's experiences.
They've apparently been communicating with the factory. And a tech is going to do some more test driving.
Whatever.
We've got a 2016 RDX in the meantime. But I'm taking the train for the most part on my commute. I've had enough bad experiences for one year.
I feel like I'm down the rabbit hole every time I read these posts. It's discouraging, stressful, and oddly reassuring at the same time reading other's experiences.
#986
Suzuka Master
My TLX has been at the dealer for over 6 weeks. Just waiting. . . .
They've apparently been communicating with the factory. And a tech is going to do some more test driving.
Whatever.
We've got a 2016 RDX in the meantime. But I'm taking the train for the most part on my commute. I've had enough bad experiences for one year.
I feel like I'm down the rabbit hole every time I read these posts. It's discouraging, stressful, and oddly reassuring at the same time reading other's experiences.
They've apparently been communicating with the factory. And a tech is going to do some more test driving.
Whatever.
We've got a 2016 RDX in the meantime. But I'm taking the train for the most part on my commute. I've had enough bad experiences for one year.
I feel like I'm down the rabbit hole every time I read these posts. It's discouraging, stressful, and oddly reassuring at the same time reading other's experiences.
#987
I've found the best way to repro is go to sport+, hold speed at about 25 mph and paddle shift between 2nd and 3rd. Mine produces a healthy jolt in that scenario.
#FixMyTLX9speed
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Jayellin (12-08-2015)
#988
Does it look like there is a production date after which this issue is resolved or greatly lessened?
I have an 11/14 build. The only TLX I have driven that doesn't display the problem is the 2016 model.
I have an 11/14 build. The only TLX I have driven that doesn't display the problem is the 2016 model.
#989
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
I'll be doing the driving, letting the tech ride along. Make the shifts random so he doesn't have time to brace for the shift and his head gets slammed into headrest.
I've found the best way to repro is go to sport+, hold speed at about 25 mph and paddle shift between 2nd and 3rd. Mine produces a healthy jolt in that scenario.
#FixMyTLX9speed
I've found the best way to repro is go to sport+, hold speed at about 25 mph and paddle shift between 2nd and 3rd. Mine produces a healthy jolt in that scenario.
#FixMyTLX9speed
#990
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
#991
Styl1n
has anyone confirmed the internals in the new tranny is different from ours or is it just a matter of getting a new pcm unit or program? im still waiting on ACR to call me hopefully in a day or two.
#992
My car is shifting well now, and the acceleration lag is much less. I hope it stays that way
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9SpeedTran (12-08-2015)
#993
Styl1n
My car has a 9/14 build date. I just received the car back with the replaced transmission. The tech that told me the new transmission had " revised parts and updated programming". I asked him if it was the same as in a 2016 and he said that one is revised even further.
My car is shifting well now, and the acceleration lag is much less. I hope it stays that way
My car is shifting well now, and the acceleration lag is much less. I hope it stays that way
#994
Styl1n
crap so which tranny is better the one in the 2016 or the revised ones lol, they should give us the 2016 ones unless something doesn't fit correctly, im going to fight them until the end for a 2016 tranny or to buy this car back and put me into a 2016. this is crazy what we have to go through just to get a car that works well.
http://www.urvi.net/forumfiles/SB/B15-040.PDF
and the part is discontinued
http://www.acurapartsnow.com/oe-acura/062805l9a52
could this be our problems? still trying to hash it out
Last edited by kuzdu; 12-08-2015 at 03:42 PM.
#995
found this
http://www.urvi.net/forumfiles/SB/B15-040.PDF
and the part is discontinued
CONTROL UNIT, TRANSMISSION | Genuine Acura | 06280-5L9-A52
could this be our problems? still trying to hash it out
http://www.urvi.net/forumfiles/SB/B15-040.PDF
and the part is discontinued
CONTROL UNIT, TRANSMISSION | Genuine Acura | 06280-5L9-A52
could this be our problems? still trying to hash it out
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9SpeedTran (12-08-2015)
#996
My TLX has been at the dealer for over 6 weeks. Just waiting. . . .
They've apparently been communicating with the factory. And a tech is going to do some more test driving.
Whatever.
We've got a 2016 RDX in the meantime. But I'm taking the train for the most part on my commute. I've had enough bad experiences for one year.
I feel like I'm down the rabbit hole every time I read these posts. It's discouraging, stressful, and oddly reassuring at the same time reading other's experiences.
They've apparently been communicating with the factory. And a tech is going to do some more test driving.
Whatever.
We've got a 2016 RDX in the meantime. But I'm taking the train for the most part on my commute. I've had enough bad experiences for one year.
I feel like I'm down the rabbit hole every time I read these posts. It's discouraging, stressful, and oddly reassuring at the same time reading other's experiences.
#997
They could have used the Aisin 8 speed that Volvo uses. Well it seems the newest versions of the 9 speed have no issues, so maybe ZF has it sorted it out now. I wish we could all just get a mass recall and everyone would get new transmissions. My transmission is still doing fine, after the update and idle relearn procedure.
#998
Instructor
I'll be doing the driving, letting the tech ride along. Make the shifts random so he doesn't have time to brace for the shift and his head gets slammed into headrest.
I've found the best way to repro is go to sport+, hold speed at about 25 mph and paddle shift between 2nd and 3rd. Mine produces a healthy jolt in that scenario.
#FixMyTLX9speed
I've found the best way to repro is go to sport+, hold speed at about 25 mph and paddle shift between 2nd and 3rd. Mine produces a healthy jolt in that scenario.
#FixMyTLX9speed
#999
actually, it's a bit of an "out of sight, out of mind" situation. haven't minded having the RDX really, has been good to test it out, and it's clearly more reliable than my TLX has been.
And, our dealer is a really inconvenient drive to get to, so why we haven't been anxious to assist them on any test drives. But good to know the info about reproducing it in SPORT mode. Actually, my problem has always been in economy (4T)
I'll try to post an article about DCT that my husband found.
Last edited by newlybird17; 12-09-2015 at 06:44 AM. Reason: more info
#1000
here's the link about DCT, in case any of you haven't seen it,
Dual-clutch transmissions stuck in neutral: Why American buyers are rejecting a once-promising technology | Autoweek
Dual-clutch transmissions stuck in neutral: Why American buyers are rejecting a once-promising technology | Autoweek