When do you think the next gen TL (TLX) will be released?
#81
Three Wheelin'
I open my sunroof every chance I get. Of course I love my Miata with the top down, and if I can't put the top down, I don't drive it. Im not tall so headroom means nothing to me. Nonsunroof is a deal breaker for me.
#83
6G TLX-S
With the a 2G Integra having owned for 12 years, I had used the sunroof for about 2 dozen times. With the 2G TL having owned for 10 years, I had used the sunroof for less than 5 times. With the 4G TL I have owned since Sept 2011, I have not used the sunroof for even 1 single occasion.
I prefer that Honda/Acura makes the sunroof as a standalone option, so I could save maybe 1 grand from the MSRP for something I don't need or use, as well as getting more protection from having sheet metal, rather than glass, right above my head.
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Just googled "acura tlx concept" and saw this:
http://www.motorauthority.com/pictur...ry-1#100388970
http://www.motorauthority.com/pictur...ry-1#100388970
Although Acura is not known for copying other companies' styling cues, it's possible to do this (make a major change) the right way. Hint -- look at what the worldwide version of the next Accord is. That will be the TSX in this country, or, with some mods, the "TLX". Those mods will be the styling cues that come out of their California design department for American-only changes.
But Acuras will also begin production in China for their domestic market, so look for things that can translate, too. And in China, that would mean a clear styling class distinction from Hondas. Not as simple as putting a Buick badge on a Chevy, or a Lexus badge on a Toyota.
#86
Suzuka Master
I actually like it, especially if you can imagine the final product with the exaggerated lines toned down it has much more potential than the 4G. I actually like the tail treatment and lighting.
#87
Three Wheelin'
I think if they "tone down" the front end of the concept they would have a winner if it's priced right. As it stands the front is uglier than the 4g when it first came out IMO. Then again the 5g may look nothing like this at all.
#88
Proud Acura Owner
If you believe this supposedly-leaked Q50 order guide, here's, at least package-wise, what the TLX could be going up against :
http://www.autoevolution.com/news-hd...leaked-1080p-1
http://www.autoevolution.com/news-hd...leaked-1080p-1
#89
Suzuka Master
small detail.. but looks like there is a headlights "option".. this is where Acura wins always.. Standard HIDs. I don't know why the other luxury companies don't do this. Granted, it's only a few hundred dollar aftermarket mod, but a luxury car at 35K or more, should have standard HIDs. the BMW 5 series and EClass are both near 50K cars, also no standard HIDs. Acura always gives more bang for you buck when it comes to these little standard features.
Not on the RDX, they only give you HIDs with Tech package, Honda has implemented some serious cost cutting. And double wishbone is gone now too.
#90
So I'm looking at the pics of the new 2014 MDX and it's essentially the 2013, only more bland. Doing that same thing to the TL will not be a good thing for Acura.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/27/2...-mdx-new-york/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/27/2...-mdx-new-york/
#91
CTSV,TL, Audi Q7 & A5SB
So I'm looking at the pics of the new 2014 MDX and it's essentially the 2013, only more bland. Doing that same thing to the TL will not be a good thing for Acura.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/27/2...-mdx-new-york/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/27/2...-mdx-new-york/
A few things I don’t get. Why did they get rid of the driving lights, while I understand that the headlights are new and improved, I happen to like the way the driving lights looked.
They cut the HP by 10 to 290. Yes the MPG improved, and granted it’s only a 10 HP cut, but The MDX was always performance oriented so I don’t get this move.
Finally, IMO the wheels suck…
I just hope that some of these ideas don’t find their way to the TLX. Acura please wake up!!!
#92
Intermediate
IMO, HP is in modern luxury cars, the TL and its competitors especially, is sufficient. There is a tipping point for HP after which it becomes less and less relevant and perhaps redundant. I'll leave alone the debate on HP for SUVs or "performance SUVs" for that matter. If I am thrill seeking, I won't go out looking for it in an SUV or a luxury sedan for so many reasons the least of which is respect for the laws of physics and ultimately safety.
#93
CTSV,TL, Audi Q7 & A5SB
IMO, HP is in modern luxury cars, the TL and its competitors especially, is sufficient. There is a tipping point for HP after which it becomes less and less relevant and perhaps redundant. I'll leave alone the debate on HP for SUVs or "performance SUVs" for that matter. If I am thrill seeking, I won't go out looking for it in an SUV or a luxury sedan for so many reasons the least of which is respect for the laws of physics and ultimately safety.
We had an MDX from 2008 to 2011 and that SUV cornered better than most cars on the road, the handling was very confidence inspiring.
Of course it has a higher center of gravity than a car, but not once in 3 years did I ever feel that the laws of physics were going to make it roll and I was jeopardizing not only mine, but more importantly someone elses safety on the road.
But as we all know, as with anything you drive you also have to know your limits and not drive like an a-hole because if you do it will eventually bite you in the a$$.
While I can respect your opinion, IMO I bet that if your drove an E63, M5 or CTS-V one of those would change your mind in regards to not seeking thrills in a sedan...
Just my
#94
Suzuka Master
OK so the MDX reveal pretty much now shows where the TLX is headed, no exhaust tips, same dash design as the RLX/MDX, etc. So the variable now will be:
- SH-AWD will the TLX have it or SH-SH-AWD?
- Will they carry the jewel headlights like the MDX and RLX?
- How much of the tech will trickle down? The Q50 will basically have all the same Tech available as the RLX so if Acura dumbs down the tech to accord levels they will loss customers. If they trickle it all into the TLX then they need to be careful that they don't pull a 4G again where the 4G made the RL fairly irrelevant. The trick here is make the TLX more sporty, but somehow I don't think they will do that.
I also don't dig the exposed cup holders. I prefer the current TL approach and like my M, hide them and/or cover them until needed.
- SH-AWD will the TLX have it or SH-SH-AWD?
- Will they carry the jewel headlights like the MDX and RLX?
- How much of the tech will trickle down? The Q50 will basically have all the same Tech available as the RLX so if Acura dumbs down the tech to accord levels they will loss customers. If they trickle it all into the TLX then they need to be careful that they don't pull a 4G again where the 4G made the RL fairly irrelevant. The trick here is make the TLX more sporty, but somehow I don't think they will do that.
I also don't dig the exposed cup holders. I prefer the current TL approach and like my M, hide them and/or cover them until needed.
#95
And now we have an idea of the pricing the TLX may be competing against in the Q50 :
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/27/2...i-q50-pricing/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/27/2...i-q50-pricing/
#96
#97
Suzuka Master
And now we have an idea of the pricing the TLX may be competing against in the Q50 :
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/27/2...i-q50-pricing/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/27/2...i-q50-pricing/
#98
Drifting
I think the MDX/RLX give us some clues, but I'd bet there is much that will surprise us. For example, I doubt the TLX will be as conservative looking (but to my eye, still stylish) as the RLX. They are intended for two somewhat overlapping but still distinct markets.
Our TLs are great cars. Acura didn't suddenly forget how to build great cars in the period since 2009-10.
Our TLs are great cars. Acura didn't suddenly forget how to build great cars in the period since 2009-10.
#99
Three Wheelin'
I think Acura is hoping we don't notice that all they are doing with their new cars is catching up with the competition, but ignoring that those of us with sporting intentions want a rear drive platform and not just a me too.
The new RLX is a perfect example. To buy one with ventilated seats (a must for me in Houston) I have to buy a 61,000 RLX. For $10,000 less I can buy the new GS350 with decent equipment and ventilated seats, or I can start working my way up with the technology and F-Sport options and still come in for less money than the RLX AND have RWD.
The new RLX is a perfect example. To buy one with ventilated seats (a must for me in Houston) I have to buy a 61,000 RLX. For $10,000 less I can buy the new GS350 with decent equipment and ventilated seats, or I can start working my way up with the technology and F-Sport options and still come in for less money than the RLX AND have RWD.
#100
Suzuka Master
A comparably equipped M37 or M37S runs around what a loaded RLX runs $61-63K, and you get 330HP, RWD, and basically all the same tech and the main advantage the RLX has at that point is Krell and slightly better MPG. And Infiniti is discounting their M $4-5K right now so let's see what happens with the RLX. Haveing test driven the RLX the real world advantages I would give it are build quality, quieter cabin. The M37 advantages, having owned one for 3 years for me are More engaging ride, better handling, more luxurious (IMO) styling inside and out, and the interior materials fell a tad better.
#101
Burning Brakes
All the new Acura lineup have hidden exhausts now. I hope the TLX is the exception. But from the trend we're seeing, it doesn't look like it. No beuno. I think the 3G for it's time had the sexiest exhaust tips. It integrated well with the rear bumper and really set an example for other manufacturers to follow. It's a sexy car; only turn off for me was no AWD. I can't drive without it now unless I have a weekend car but I'm not as fortunate. I think we'll see the Jewel LED headlights ( the spider eyes) and if the MDX and RDX interior is any indication, we'll see a very similar layout as well and also the exterior. They gotta get the TLX right though, this is their bread and butter! I think SH-AWD and a 6 speed MT will still be offered. Almost every gen had at least a MT. All we can do is speculate!
#104
Three Wheelin'
I'm and sure the MDX interior will be the same for the TL. BLAND! No dual exhaust. I think I own my last Acura Even the start button looks cheaper than the button on my 2009. Looks like I will be leasing a BMW coupe, cuz I dam sure aint buying one.
#105
Burning Brakes
I beg to differ. There are a lot more TL owners than there are MDX owners and it's not even close. True, the MDX has been outselling the TL more recently but Acura knows the TL is their "money maker" IMO.
#107
Burning Brakes
No need to, the TL has been around a lot longer than the MDX and have sold more than the MDX if you take into account the total sales of both cars since their inception. There's no debating the MDX has outsold the TL the past few years though. BTW, the TL is second only to the 3 series as the number #1 selling sports sedan in US history.
#108
Suzuka Master
No need to, the TL has been around a lot longer than the MDX and have sold more than the MDX if you take into account the total sales of both cars since their inception. There's no debating the MDX has outsold the TL the past few years though. BTW, the TL is second only to the 3 series as the number #1 selling sports sedan in US history.
#109
Racer
iTrader: (1)
No need to, the TL has been around a lot longer than the MDX and have sold more than the MDX if you take into account the total sales of both cars since their inception. There's no debating the MDX has outsold the TL the past few years though. BTW, the TL is second only to the 3 series as the number #1 selling sports sedan in US history.
#110
Burning Brakes
#111
6G TLX-S
Both the TL and the MDX are Acura's "bread and butter" vehicles in the two vastly different vehicle categories.
The TL being the "bread and butter" sedan, and the MDX being the "bread and butter" SUV.
Depending on the auto sales trend, if auto buyers are continuing to shift away from sedan to SUV, then the MDX will have more sales.
On the other hand, if auto buyers are coming back to sedan from SUV, then the TL will have more sales.
The TL being the "bread and butter" sedan, and the MDX being the "bread and butter" SUV.
Depending on the auto sales trend, if auto buyers are continuing to shift away from sedan to SUV, then the MDX will have more sales.
On the other hand, if auto buyers are coming back to sedan from SUV, then the TL will have more sales.
#112
Burning Brakes
^^^ AGREED!
#113
Proud Acura Owner
if the TL and TSX are telling.. the TLX will have huge sales.. Acura just needs to hit that pricing sweet spot.. the ideal thing to do would be to keep the TSX going and lower the price to 29K, and make the TLX start at 34K for a 2WD, and around 38K for SH-AWD. After dropping the TL of course.
#114
Suzuka Master
TSX will die at some point, I supect they will do the following:
ILX gets 2.4 ED engine in say the tech car and price creeps upward a bit
Maybe they keep the TSX for an overlap year
TLX starts with 2.4 ED in base car starting around $36K
TLX Hybrid I4 maybe??
TLX tech gets V6 ED with maybe a I4 ED
TLX V6 advance I am guessing around $44
TLX SH-AWD V6 in base/tech and advance topping out around $48K-50K
maybe a TLX SH-SH-AWD in advance trim only this would be around $52-$55K not sure if they will put Krell in, but I suspect the ELS Studio will make it.
The problem with all this is too many models. But let's come back in 12 months and see if I am even in the ball park.
ILX gets 2.4 ED engine in say the tech car and price creeps upward a bit
Maybe they keep the TSX for an overlap year
TLX starts with 2.4 ED in base car starting around $36K
TLX Hybrid I4 maybe??
TLX tech gets V6 ED with maybe a I4 ED
TLX V6 advance I am guessing around $44
TLX SH-AWD V6 in base/tech and advance topping out around $48K-50K
maybe a TLX SH-SH-AWD in advance trim only this would be around $52-$55K not sure if they will put Krell in, but I suspect the ELS Studio will make it.
The problem with all this is too many models. But let's come back in 12 months and see if I am even in the ball park.
#115
6G TLX-S
A coupe too ???
#116
Summer is Coming
TSX will die at some point, I supect they will do the following:
ILX gets 2.4 ED engine in say the tech car and price creeps upward a bit
Maybe they keep the TSX for an overlap year
TLX starts with 2.4 ED in base car starting around $36K
TLX Hybrid I4 maybe??
TLX tech gets V6 ED with maybe a I4 ED
TLX V6 advance I am guessing around $44
TLX SH-AWD V6 in base/tech and advance topping out around $48K-50K
maybe a TLX SH-SH-AWD in advance trim only this would be around $52-$55K not sure if they will put Krell in, but I suspect the ELS Studio will make it.
The problem with all this is too many models. But let's come back in 12 months and see if I am even in the ball park.
ILX gets 2.4 ED engine in say the tech car and price creeps upward a bit
Maybe they keep the TSX for an overlap year
TLX starts with 2.4 ED in base car starting around $36K
TLX Hybrid I4 maybe??
TLX tech gets V6 ED with maybe a I4 ED
TLX V6 advance I am guessing around $44
TLX SH-AWD V6 in base/tech and advance topping out around $48K-50K
maybe a TLX SH-SH-AWD in advance trim only this would be around $52-$55K not sure if they will put Krell in, but I suspect the ELS Studio will make it.
The problem with all this is too many models. But let's come back in 12 months and see if I am even in the ball park.
Wouldn't a 2-dr Coupe TLX be great? That might bring some excitement to the Acura sales lot.
I don't see the TSX sticking around. Honda recently admitted they lose money on every car they import from Japan. So they will want to end that as soon as they can.
#117
Suzuka Master
True, but I think until the ILX takes hold and the TLX is out the TSX will stick around maybe for some overlap . But yes sadly the TSX is doomed to extinction. It is a shame my gf loves her TSX only thing she wants is push button start.
#118
Proud Acura Owner
I really do hope Acura pulls a trick out of their bag and keeps the TSX, it still fits their "X" name scheme lol. A lineup of an ILX,TSX,TLX,MDX,RDX,RLX is great. and it keeps us in competition with Audi and Lexus based on model choices.
#119
Suzuka Master
Honestly I don't they will as it is their naming convention makes no sense, just a random collection of letters. How does know from naming that a RLX is better than a TLX or ILX or that RDX and MDX are SUVs?
#120
Instructor
I've been trying to find this for a while but TL meant touring luxury, ILX-Intro Luxury, RLX-Refined luxury. Idk about RDX. Maybe since I'm a tech geek the naming makes sense to me.