BEAR-AvHistory

You really should lighten up. I understand you might be a bit butt hurt over the lack of a mass uprising in favor of a $57K TLX but that is no reason to call people who disagree with you names. First sign that someone's argument is in the toilet is when the name calling starts.

Also as long as Acura can pump out the SUV's there is really no need a savior so, no point in auditioning for the job.

mylove4cars

Maybe someone else can make sense of what you're saying, getting tired of trying to.

I'm getting the impression that folks who are against the TLX model in all capacities, just don't want to see Acura do it for whatever reasons.

All said

BEAR-AvHistory

One thing makes me smile. We have had this debate before. With the 4G came out I said there is no way Acura's stated goal of cracking tier one was going to happen with this car.

I also said it was going to tank in the marketplace. You wrote thousands of long paragraphs of why I was so wrong. Here we are today with a failed 4G doing it all over again with a $57K non existent TLX.

mylove4cars

Kevin, I have no problem at all with debate or disagreeing on a subject as long demeaning, belittling, bashing, stays out of the conversation.

In case of the above that's the reason why I call them Trolls, common in any forum.

BEAR-AvHistory

So you have set yourself up as the one who decides exactly what constitutes demeaning, belittling, bashing on this forum, interesting.

From the looks of it anything you disagree with is trolling by your lights. You might want to get over yourself.

012TL-GLM

This thread sucks, I wanted to see a production 57K TLX

mylove4cars

"First sign that someone's argument is in the toilet is when the name calling starts."

mylove4cars

Sorry, we have BEAR-AvHistory onboard its not going to happen

Colin

LOL, if years on the board is the criteria, I say just lock this thread.

BEAR-AvHistory

You said English is not your native language, so what name do you think I called you?

https://acurazine.com/forums/5g-tlx-2015-2020-415/tlx-908247/

You best get over & police this April Fools thread....quite a few heretics there that need to get called out.

HAWAII-TSX

I think your thread puts a threat to what they think and that's why they are trashing your idea. They don't want Acura to create a car that beats their BMW for 10-15k less while being more reliable.

I think it would make an awesome car that very few auto companies can touch (beat most of the competition)

On the other side. Acura builds some of the most reliable cars on the market and for them to develop a tt v6 that's as reliable as non turbo version is difficult.

Acura reliability, performance and technology (sh-awd) is why I like Acura so much. If Acura lost its reliability I would be disappointed.

mylove4cars

Sorry, for your loss of memory, now I understand.

I did not say, I didn't understand English!!!

Don't forget, I wish you a great weekend.
Drive safe

mylove4cars

You bet; this became trollingly funny, Ouch can't say that word, against the law of the Bear clan. Lol - LMAO

Lets get back to topic and make it V6 TT SH-AWD 525 Hp - 570 Torque @ 1400 rpm - The ultimate BMW massacre.

mylove4cars

What can I say, some never get it.

A lot of great cars, I like BMW, Porches and the likes. They all started somewhere. 45 Years ago in Europe BMW was looked-up as a unreliable automobile and Jaguar a piece of Sh.., Alfa Romeo an Italian disaster. I had all of them and never had problems. Lucky me I suppose.

winstrolvtec

No different than taking away the 3 and 5 for BMW, for example, and why not look at prior years as well and not the year that the end of the generation line TSX and TL sedans fell 39% and 28% and the RDX picked up 51% with a brand new model. However, I admit (and I actually can) that it is misleading, posted in a rush, I should have clarified but then my posts are too long but they really are, more of which I admit.

Even in Acura's worst example, it still proves they are no worse than others in this regard, but go back and you will see they have done better before. Last year it was 4 key models out of 7 total (2 might as well not even been there but they should count), three of which were all about 32k units each on average and one above the others at around 51k, equaling 144k units of a total of 156k. That's what is usually referred to as balance or better balanced anyway.

To be clear, by percentage Acura has been historically a bit better off in this regard, not much but worth noting to see who is really buying what in a given brand and what the price ranges are within the actual bulk of the brands sales. To be fair if they had a single killer model than they would also appear less balanced but keep in mind it's based on 6-7 models as opposed to 10 plus so even reading between the lines better balanced is still better balanced but in of itself, this is not all that important but instead how it relates to the thread and topic.

It would appear that all said and done Acura doesn't really have a lower selling point based on the largest percentages of sales, pretty much even as far as they compare to Lexus, while BMW is ahead by about $5k, as I would assume MB is, again give or take. Interesting to see the lease vs buy rate too which could easily tilt that and also because based on leasing it would appear others easily lease out better to account for that premium where Acura has been average in structure and in aggressiveness with regards to leasing.

There seemed to be some indication that more buy or finance Acura while others lease where it is a bit more costly, to compensate but can't say how valid that is or where the basis for that comes from. There are always exceptions but I think the leasing aspect and how they rate in aggressiveness or subsidy is pretty well accepted but I'm open to discussion as always.

Finally tying back the hypothetical TLX model, as was the point, it would appear based on the above that the other brands get bigger money in the dealerships mostly because they offer higher priced cars and trims. Makes sense to me that if Acura also wants to attract bigger money and the perception that goes with it, they need to build and price accordingly and whatever else should naturally go with that, like some addition features and refinements, etc. Higher trims and variants can exist without raising the price of the regular models which is probably a very important factor to consider, others who are good at it, go about it in this way.

Before anyone wants to suggest that Acura tried it and it failed in the RLX and ZDX to an extent and should not keep at it, look at the circumstances surrounding those cars and their markets and then consider what the bulk of sales are elsewhere and what the trims really are and then let's look at how well the even higher priced cars sell that Acura doesn't offer as well as others flagships. If we are going to say Acura should not make and offer something like this those brands shouldn't bring out similar kinds of cars and also those above that yet they still do and have their reasons for that, why those are warranted there but not at Acura is beyond me.

What an empty post, all that is missing is a name being called. Really though I doubt that is what the discussions specifics were. Also goes against what I have repeatedly stated here that they need to offer more, need a halo car, etc, etc, if they really want to achieve that.

Why would a single entry model and even the SH variation, that was largely already available in the RL, which was a higher market car anyway, make them any more higher tier than they were?

Now for future purposes it could have better set that up if they followed through with a true flagship and left the mid level market for the TLX to fully compete in, a motion set up by a better utilized platform and higher priced 4G TL but they are still reluctant to do so today. If you determine right or wrong to coincide with being able to predict the future, you can pick my lottery numbers but I think that's the extent of all that but feel free to cite some or many examples, lots of time on my hands.

Can't predict the future on this model either, probably doesn't come out, but little denying it's usefulness in that regard, whether they do it or not.

atruedsgb

Assuming it looks like the prototype that I recently saw in person, it would definitely be at or near the top of my list.

tlorencz

iTrader: (1)

Again, I will wait until it hits the market, test drive it and compare it with the competition for value and see where the TLX shakes out. I'm not a Acura loyalist, I bought my 3G S type by following my own advice. I think the S type is a great value and fun to drive so I'm in no hurry to jump into something different until it is proven. I'm certainly not going to spend 57k on a car even if it is over 500 hp.

tlorencz

iTrader: (1)

One thing I forgot to add. I would like to see the hybrid option offered on the TLX similar to what is offered on the RLX and soon to release NSX. Now I would be willing to pay a premium for that. I think Acura/honda could take over the developing market in this area. Especially when most manufacturers are going to gravitate to hybrids in order to meet the imposing CAFE standards.

George Knighton

Who said that?

George Knighton

I'm not sure that there's room for that on the platform. If you're around a Honda dealer, take a good hard look at the current generation Accord, including (if you can) an Accord Hybrid.

I'm not sure there's room for that kind of batteries, plus the two rear motors, not in a car that size.

I'm waiting to see where they go later in the year with the TLX + V6 + SH-AWD, and I suspect they might have a surprise for us. The regular direct inject J Motor with 9 speed + SH-AWD will perform very nicely, but wouldn't it be just awesome if they decided to have a road going "TLX GT" to capitalize on PD's car and the marketing potential?

:-)

mylove4cars

Short & Sweet, on the money

weather

I have learned to pay attention to what you say....Not just because you are a very respectable contributor but also because I think you know a lot more than many of us here....I think you are dropping a juicy nugget of something you may have from a credible source

mylove4cars

Well, well; reading between the lines and use fog-lights might create clarity, it’s about time.

winstrolvtec

Let's hope so, we know that foundation has a lot more potential than Acura has fully taken advantage of up to this point. If the initial marketing vid with the guy racing through the streets in the prototype where you hear the engine notes is any indication of the actual product, it sounds like a screamer and 330 hp won't be out of the question, all speculation on my part however.

Of course that sound was enhanced anyway you look at it but there is talks around that it is true to the actual production car in some capacity, so who knows? Sounds extra rev happy for a J series. Also agree the GT car is a possible hint at something more coming out as well at some point with this gen TLX. At this point a 6MT or 7MT would be a nice surprise even if only the 310 hp version.

tlorencz

iTrader: (1)

Obviously they are going to make the technology work on the NSX platform and it already works on the accord platform so it's a matter of being innovative to get it in the TLX. I suspect it will happen as the 5th gen matures

BEAR-AvHistory

From the distant past "In fact, following our Tokyo Q&A session, the only conclusion that one could take from Ito-san's comments was that Acura's previously stated "Tier 1" initiatives were completely incompatible with his plans for Honda going forward, and that they would be changing. Now, with according to this source these changes are beginning to be communicated to the dealer body". Its all "Smart Luxury" now, what ever that is.

BEAR-AvHistory

BTW: I would like to thank 4cars & winst for providing some interesting entertainment during a boring stretch of doing about 900 rivet holes. Thread lasted just about long enough to get 90% of the interior sheet metal in place. Its always nice to have a chuckle to pass the time.







& 4cars, with me everyday is a good day

winstrolvtec

The feelings are mutual as always my internet friend, love that toilet paper on the middle left of the last pic and coming up with interesting or unfortunate reasons in what exactly that is doing there. Not that I actually care much what you have going on in the pictures or it's my business or to know for that matter but you seem enthusiastic enough about it to freely share so good luck with it and happy that you're happy but I will continuing playing "I spy" with these entertaining photos.

weather

^^ LMAO!! That was a good observation about that toilet paper....2 ply or 3 ply??

BEAR-AvHistory

Its 3 ply soft stuff for a runny nose I had last month. Better than Kleenex.

BEAR-AvHistory

And here I though you said you were a car enthusiast.

weather

runny nose....sure

BEAR-AvHistory

What did you expect me to say, I use orange buckets from Home Depot to save valuable sparing time for the two $57K TLX proponents?

weather

^^ LMAO....Nothing beats honesty!! That's what I would do *ha ha ha*

Amazing work btw, I love watching the progress of your car progress. I have two friends are about to embark on a journey similar to yours. I wouldn't even know where to begin....and spend too much time on that orange bucket

internalaudit

My bad, what is a PD?

BEAR-AvHistory

Best thing they can do, beside empty the bucket everyday, is see if there is a local group with the same project car. I have gotten a lot of good advice & building tips from the Raleigh, Cary guy's. Also if they are doing a FFR car the builders web site is great.

BTW the famous orange bucket is in the upper right of the top picture.

BEAR-AvHistory

They could do what Ford does. Plug & play. My 4 cam Coyote crate engine has a full stand alone wiring harness, sensors, ECU etc.

Tonyware

Building stuff like that is amazing. I know two guys in two different cities who have done similar projects recently. One put an LS7 engine in an old Jaguar and another who put a K22 engine in a Delorean. Even though they only recently meet each other, both are fantastic individuals to hang out with and learn stuff. BTW, they have Acuras as daily drivers, TSX and TL-S. Coincidence, I suppose...

BEAR-AvHistory

Doing this kind of stuff since the '60's. Todays kits make it a lot easier. We used to have to fab everything ourselves. The Chevy into the Jag must have been a bit of work.

My first pure engine swap was a small block into a 280ZX convertible. Prior to that I kept them in the family, Chevy into Chevy, Ford into Ford.

winstrolvtec

No don't get me wrong, great if you have the time and desire, however you do a have a right to your privacy is all but I couldn't resist, just an attempt to make light of the discussion around here, even if we get a bit off topic or what the relevancy of that sort of thing is.