No Exhaust for 2015 TLX - Acura justifies
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Let me guess ... they wanted to convey a sense of "green" by hiding them ...
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Lol. The video was already posted in another thread, but Jared, the guy in this video had said the same thing a few months ago in a walkthrough video for the prototype posted a few months ago.
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So then I guess Honda is projecting a "dirty" message by have exhaust tips,on all those cars. Ah great marketing, buy a cheap,Honda and you are killing the environment,nt, but step up to a more expensive luxurious Acura and protect the environment.
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I found it funny that strength and athleticism were his motivators...
A lot of the new exhaust tips you see are just facades anyway with the rinky dink stainly tip stopping an inch short of the actual bumper insert anyway. I would be curious to see what the aftermarket comes up with though.
A lot of the new exhaust tips you see are just facades anyway with the rinky dink stainly tip stopping an inch short of the actual bumper insert anyway. I would be curious to see what the aftermarket comes up with though.
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Wait a minute, you mean all Acura cars don't have exposed exhausted? I hadn't noticed this before. I think this calls for far more discussion.
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The last thing I think of when I don't see exposed tail pipes is a green car. Especially when they did such a piss poor job hiding the mufflers
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Question for Jared (lol... wonder if he is reading): OK, great lines, great design, amazing side and back design. But, but, but: have you tested all these designs in winter conditions? I mean, you know, some of us up here in the true north and frozen have to drive these cars 4-5 months a year in polar conditions! I mean what if these rear end sharp lines cause issues when snow and ice falls all over? Example: If you drive on the highway in a blizzard and because of the design, your rear lights get covered with snow and ice... well, you dead! I am sure CAD simulations and wind tunnels have eliminated some issues early on, but simulations can only go that far when compared with real conditions.
Just a thought, my 5 cents (can't find 2 canadian cents anymore).
PS. Solution for those who don't like hidden exhaust tips: Dremel!
Just a thought, my 5 cents (can't find 2 canadian cents anymore).
PS. Solution for those who don't like hidden exhaust tips: Dremel!
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I've come to the conclusion that Acura is just trying to corner the hipster/environmentalist/animal lover luxury market.... hide the exhausts to promote a "green" image... and slap P-AWS on the back to appeal to the puppy and kitten lover in you.
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I can't believe that anybody actually "believes" the explanation given. It's clearly a styling/marketing decision that has nothing to do with a green image.
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Actually I discovered a secondary audio track on the video... It sounded like a behind the scenes interview with Jared... now I'm not quoting exactly but ... Jared says he thought the car was kind of boring so he talks about a conversation he has with Mat... 'Hey Mat, I think this car needs some lines on it, what do you think?' Mat says, 'heck that sounds like a good idea' So I took a pencil and drew a few curves on the page. We thought they looked okay and it was nearly 6pm that night so we just kept them. We agreed that if we were asked we'd say we were trying to add 'tension' and 'movement' and other words that I learned in design school. The next day we we spent working on these cool outfits and before you know it, it was nearly quitting time but we hadn't finished the rear end. We were trying to figure out what kind of exhaust tips would look best but heck it was nearly 6 pm so we just decided to tuck them underneath and we'd finish the design later. But ops we just forgot! I mean I thought Mat had written it down on his ToDo list, he's always keeping those damn ToDo lists, but we just plain forgot! Talk about embarrassing. Later we decided that we'd just tell everyone that is was an effort to be more Green. Everyone was on the green bandwagon anyway and this just killed two birds with one stone and covered up an embarrassing oversight and Honda Corporate just ate that $#i! up. I mean sometimes you just get lucky! Later we thought about putting a "Prius" badge on the back. I mean if people will fall for this green stuff with the hidden exhaust they would really like a "Prius" badge on the back... Green AND great gas mileage both! But the damn lawyers said we couldn't. Lawyers always mess things up.
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I'm sure there is a guy that works in the exterior design department with Jared that has trouble sleeping at night knowing they are going to release the car with a rear bumper that looks like that. The level of stupid is profound.
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All part of cost containment I imagine.
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Funny, that was mentioned over on TOV and it's not an insignificant amount of money multiplied by Acura's projected sales volume. Assuming you will sell the same volume whether they have exhaust tips or not, and that you're going to do ~180,000 cars a year, that's $1.8 Million of increased cost. That said, I don't think costs savings was the 'real' reason.
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EXACTLY what I was thinking. There needs to be little minor facelift things to tinker with between the major remodels so this leaves things like color and shape of tail lights, fog (driving) lights, shape and size of front spoiler, shape and size of rear valence, etc. So one of the facelifts will undoubtedly be fooling around first with visible exhausts and then the shape and size of the exhaust outlets.
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I highly doubt that even at 10-15 dollars per unit the cost differential would be close to material to Honda Motor Co. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see them, but it's just not a huge deal for me. If the car is otherwise right, this I can overlook. And, as others have said, there will always be customization options.
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EXACTLY what I was thinking. There needs to be little minor facelift things to tinker with between the major remodels so this leaves things like color and shape of tail lights, fog (driving) lights, shape and size of front spoiler, shape and size of rear valence, etc. So one of the facelifts will undoubtedly be fooling around first with visible exhausts and then the shape and size of the exhaust outlets.
They might add them at mid cycle but it will be because somebody screwed up the introduction not because they were saving them.
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So if "green" image is not the true reason and people don't think that cost containment was either, then I guess its just so that there is one less thing for the owners to have to clean. Blacked exhaust tips can be a pain to clean sometimes.
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You really think a brand struggling in the market place, RLX sold 229 cars last month, is going to save the "good stuff" on a brand new car for 3 years down the road?
They might add them at mid cycle but it will be because somebody screwed up the introduction not because they were saving them.
They might add them at mid cycle but it will be because somebody screwed up the introduction not because they were saving them.
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Well obviously this is what the focus groups thought was cool. I'm over the lack of exhaust finishers. I'd like to know what the driving experience is , that's much more important.
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While I like exhaust tips, I too am over them. The gf's RDX doe not have them and honestly while I like the looks of tips, I agree, cleaning a car without them is much easier as dirty exhaust tips sucks to get clean and keep clean. I am very eager to drive a TLX AWD Advance. I suspect I will be disappointed since they have not stiffened the suspension on the AWD this time, one can only hope a Type-S comes soon.
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You really think a brand struggling in the market place, RLX sold 229 cars last month, is going to save the "good stuff" on a brand new car for 3 years down the road?
They might add them at mid cycle but it will be because somebody screwed up the introduction not because they were saving them.
They might add them at mid cycle but it will be because somebody screwed up the introduction not because they were saving them.
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I don't think it's an industry wide practice to do it all the same way. The real answer is probably that it is a little of both and it depends on the car. Only upper management can answer the question.
Sometimes they really do screw up the introductory model without much foresight. Other times it is very evident that they purposely hold back and introduce a tame introductory model. Then magically they add all the stuff they should have in the first place on the mid-cycle refresh. The evidence of this is that many cars on their mid-cycle look much more than the original prototype than the introductory model.
But in this case even the prototype was sans exhaust tips. I think it's going to stay that way for base models. The only hope I see is if there is a performance variant like a Type-S. I'm pretty sure in that case they'll have to oblige.
Sometimes they really do screw up the introductory model without much foresight. Other times it is very evident that they purposely hold back and introduce a tame introductory model. Then magically they add all the stuff they should have in the first place on the mid-cycle refresh. The evidence of this is that many cars on their mid-cycle look much more than the original prototype than the introductory model.
But in this case even the prototype was sans exhaust tips. I think it's going to stay that way for base models. The only hope I see is if there is a performance variant like a Type-S. I'm pretty sure in that case they'll have to oblige.
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^^^^^
Everybody does mid-cycle things to spice up the product. That being said I don't believe that holding the exhausts (remember the 3G rectangles were an Acura only design cue) for the update was a plan. Makes no sense to hold back when you are not selling cars & need a home run to kick start sales.
When saying they would consider them for the update they were reacting IMHO to the very vocal "where the h*ll are the tips" at the unveiling.
I think they could have canned them if they carried through with the prototypes diffuser style rear end treatment instead of the plain one that highlights the lack of exhaust
Everybody does mid-cycle things to spice up the product. That being said I don't believe that holding the exhausts (remember the 3G rectangles were an Acura only design cue) for the update was a plan. Makes no sense to hold back when you are not selling cars & need a home run to kick start sales.
When saying they would consider them for the update they were reacting IMHO to the very vocal "where the h*ll are the tips" at the unveiling.
I think they could have canned them if they carried through with the prototypes diffuser style rear end treatment instead of the plain one that highlights the lack of exhaust
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