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I've read a few industry articles that stated Acura's "Jewel Eye" LEDs are some of the better projectors as far as brightness and pattern.
#203
At some point, 1 of the 3 will always be newer and have something the other one doesn't because they get updated or completely redesigned at different points in Honda's product cycle. They're not all updated or completely redesigned at the same time.
Next year the all new completely redesigned (10th gen) Accord will have more tech than the current 10th gen Civic and 1st gen TLX. When the 2nd gen TLX comes out in 2019 (assuming Acura sticks to a 5 yr cycle), it will have more tech than the 10th gen Accord and current (10th gen) Civic. But when the 11th gen Civic is released in 2021(?), it will again have newer and probably more tech than the Accord and TLX.
The only way for the current Civic to not have more tech than the current Accord or TLX is for Honda to either update and release all 3 cars at the same time while giving better or more tech to the Accord and TLX, or to have designed and given the current Civic less tech than the current Accord (which is a 5 yr old design by the way) and TLX (which is an almost 3 yr old design). Personally, I don't see either situation happening, especially the latter. The Civic (and Accord) are Honda's bread and butter. Honda generates way more sales and profit from the Civic than the TLX.
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Uh, that's because the Civic is a completely new car that was introduced earlier this year. The current 9th gen Accord was completely redesigned and introduced in 2012. The TLX was introduced in 2014 as an all new model.
At some point, 1 of the 3 will always be newer and have something the other one doesn't because they get updated or completely redesigned at different points in Honda's product cycle. They're not all updated or completely redesigned at the same time.
Next year the all new completely redesigned (10th gen) Accord will have more tech than the current 10th gen Civic and 1st gen TLX. When the 2nd gen TLX comes out in 2019 (assuming Acura sticks to a 5 yr cycle), it will have more tech than the 10th gen Accord and current (10th gen) Civic. But when the 11th gen Civic is released in 2021(?), it will again have newer and probably more tech than the Accord and TLX.
The only way for the current Civic to not have more tech than the current Accord or TLX is for Honda to either update and release all 3 cars at the same time while giving better or more tech to the Accord and TLX, or to have designed and given the current Civic less tech than the current Accord (which is a 5 yr old design by the way) and TLX (which is an almost 3 yr old design). Personally, I don't see either situation happening, especially the latter. The Civic (and Accord) are Honda's bread and butter. Honda generates way more sales and profit from the Civic than the TLX.
At some point, 1 of the 3 will always be newer and have something the other one doesn't because they get updated or completely redesigned at different points in Honda's product cycle. They're not all updated or completely redesigned at the same time.
Next year the all new completely redesigned (10th gen) Accord will have more tech than the current 10th gen Civic and 1st gen TLX. When the 2nd gen TLX comes out in 2019 (assuming Acura sticks to a 5 yr cycle), it will have more tech than the 10th gen Accord and current (10th gen) Civic. But when the 11th gen Civic is released in 2021(?), it will again have newer and probably more tech than the Accord and TLX.
The only way for the current Civic to not have more tech than the current Accord or TLX is for Honda to either update and release all 3 cars at the same time while giving better or more tech to the Accord and TLX, or to have designed and given the current Civic less tech than the current Accord (which is a 5 yr old design by the way) and TLX (which is an almost 3 yr old design). Personally, I don't see either situation happening, especially the latter. The Civic (and Accord) are Honda's bread and butter. Honda generates way more sales and profit from the Civic than the TLX.
oh and BTW, the new Civic, 10th Gen, was released in 2015, not this year✌️️
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DUH Dude, I get it. I have been buying Honda's since the 80's. My point being, Honda's luxury line...ACURA does not have the latest tech and is being outdone by Honda. This should NEVER happen and clearly Honda and Acura have not done a good job in coordinating their updates and releases.
And how would Honda and Acura coordinate their updates so that Acura always has the latest tech?
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I don't think Acura necessarily should always have the latest tech but whenever new tech is introduced in the Civic or the Accord - it should be introduced in the Acura (premium) brand within a year and it wouldn't hurt if Acura tried to have the latest tech in their cars when the new generation is released.
#210
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Find me a VW with better tech than its comparable Audi... or a Nissan with better tech than its comparable Infiniti.... or a Toyota with better tech than its comparable Lexus...
... with that said, the Accord and the TLX are much closer in price than the other reasonable comparisons you could make.
... with that said, the Accord and the TLX are much closer in price than the other reasonable comparisons you could make.
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Find me a VW with better tech than its comparable Audi... or a Nissan with better tech than its comparable Infiniti.... or a Toyota with better tech than its comparable Lexus...
... with that said, the Accord and the TLX are much closer in price than the other reasonable comparisons you could make.
... with that said, the Accord and the TLX are much closer in price than the other reasonable comparisons you could make.
#212
Find me a VW with better tech than its comparable Audi... or a Nissan with better tech than its comparable Infiniti.... or a Toyota with better tech than its comparable Lexus...
... with that said, the Accord and the TLX are much closer in price than the other reasonable comparisons you could make.
... with that said, the Accord and the TLX are much closer in price than the other reasonable comparisons you could make.
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Yea, if you look closely you will see this sort of thing happens to other brands too. On top of that, Honda is on a roll lately and most, if not all if its recent new models are class leading. Can't say the same for Toyota or Nissan....this inevitably makes the Acura cars look even worse.
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Yea, if you look closely you will see this sort of thing happens to other brands too. On top of that, Honda is on a roll lately and most, if not all if its recent new models are class leading. Can't say the same for Toyota or Nissan....this inevitably makes the Acura cars look even worse.
Yup. With honda surging and acura not being a tier 1 brand, the gap definitely narrows and that definitely hurts their premium brand.
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Yea, if you look closely you will see this sort of thing happens to other brands too. On top of that, Honda is on a roll lately and most, if not all if its recent new models are class leading. Can't say the same for Toyota or Nissan....this inevitably makes the Acura cars look even worse.
One of the issues is that tech seems to be moving much faster than ever in cars. When the TLX came out it had the latest safety tech (not too many other cars had LKAS unless you went upscale) and now - only a couple years later - many of the mid sized sedans have it for all the non luxury brands.
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Ya, the TLX nowadays feels outdated since it's been out for like 3 years now without any noticeably updates. On the other hand, the Accord got a major facelift for the 2016 model and that really closed the gap.
So ya, this goes back to the upcoming MMC for TLX. It will need a major one to stay competitive....
So ya, this goes back to the upcoming MMC for TLX. It will need a major one to stay competitive....
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Heh, I wonder if Honda people lurks on forums like this. The Corvette team is quite involved with their fans on the CorvetteForum but this is such a different market/buyer base that probably they don't really lurk or care what a few AZiners think of their TLX or the Acura lineup in general...
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Spied! 2018 Acura TLX Prototype Shows off New Grille - Motor TrendWe caught the sedan sitting in Southern California traffic
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Sometimes, camouflage only serves to accentuate what an automaker is trying to hide. That’s certainly the case with this Acura prototype, which can’t hide its new diamond pentagon grille in these photos.
We 1st saw this grille design on the Acura Precision Concept, and then again on the refreshed 2017 Acura MDX that went on sale earlier this year. On the camouflaged prototype, which we believe is the refreshed 2018 Acura TLX, this grille contributes to a more athletic front end that we’ve been waiting to see on a production Acura sedan. The headlights maintain their narrow, angular shape as before, but this mule doesn’t have any silver window trim like we typically see on the TLX. The back end keeps its large lip at the top of the trunk, but it looks like Acura may have changed the shape of the rear a bit.
A while back, Acura debuted a production-ready TLX show car with visible exhaust outlets, which could potentially make their way to market because Acura owners have been requesting them. All current Acura models hide their exhaust tips. When the concept debuted, we spoke with Acura Global Creative Director Dave Marek, who hinted that an updated TLX would feature more compelling styling. “The next round of styling will be more premium-brand, performance feeling, and more noticeable,” he said.
The current-generation Acura TLX debuted in 2014 for the 2015 model year, so it’s due for a mid-cycle refresh in the near future. Today’s TLX offers a choice of 2 engines: a 206-hp 2.4-liter inline-4 and a 290-hp 3.5-liter V-6.
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We 1st saw this grille design on the Acura Precision Concept, and then again on the refreshed 2017 Acura MDX that went on sale earlier this year. On the camouflaged prototype, which we believe is the refreshed 2018 Acura TLX, this grille contributes to a more athletic front end that we’ve been waiting to see on a production Acura sedan. The headlights maintain their narrow, angular shape as before, but this mule doesn’t have any silver window trim like we typically see on the TLX. The back end keeps its large lip at the top of the trunk, but it looks like Acura may have changed the shape of the rear a bit.
A while back, Acura debuted a production-ready TLX show car with visible exhaust outlets, which could potentially make their way to market because Acura owners have been requesting them. All current Acura models hide their exhaust tips. When the concept debuted, we spoke with Acura Global Creative Director Dave Marek, who hinted that an updated TLX would feature more compelling styling. “The next round of styling will be more premium-brand, performance feeling, and more noticeable,” he said.
The current-generation Acura TLX debuted in 2014 for the 2015 model year, so it’s due for a mid-cycle refresh in the near future. Today’s TLX offers a choice of 2 engines: a 206-hp 2.4-liter inline-4 and a 290-hp 3.5-liter V-6.
Photo Source: Alex Gorodetzki
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#220
^^ Better wheels and gone are the Good Year tires!! Fuckin' bout time! (now lets hope the ZF unit is also gone)
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I'm liking the piping! I'd like to see more stitched material on the dash and a softer material where your knees hit the center stack though. It looks like there's also a black headliner so they're (visually) taking the sportier route, let's hope powertrain also.
#224
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I love that they drive a RED TLX prototype in broad daylight in southern California! I'm sure they're *shocked* that someone saw them and took spy photos!!
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Heh, I wonder if Honda people lurks on forums like this. The Corvette team is quite involved with their fans on the CorvetteForum but this is such a different market/buyer base that probably they don't really lurk or care what a few AZiners think of their TLX or the Acura lineup in general...
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That said - Acura isn't likely to make wholesale changes based on the opinions of a handful of people who post to a car forum.
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Actually most major companies have social media people on staff - they handle the twitter and facebook accounts and likely monitor some of the sites like AZ.
That said - Acura isn't likely to make wholesale changes based on the opinions of a handful of people who post to a car forum.
That said - Acura isn't likely to make wholesale changes based on the opinions of a handful of people who post to a car forum.
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#229
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For example, the new 2018 TLX is beautiful with new design and mechanical changes. However, they decided to use Honda's new 10sp transmission (example). Did you think I or owners of 2015 TLXs would be interested in it? I wouldn't touch it with a pole from the space station ...
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^^ Exactly and when you start losing the loyal fan base which are the one that will buy time and time again, not to mention encourage others to buy and create a buzz for the brand - I am not a business analyst but I would be willing to bet that they have done damage to the brand and sales that will far exceed the few dollars they tried to save by cheapening out,
Regardless, they have lost me as a buyer and I bought several vehicles in the last few years.....I haven't stopped buying cars, rather I have stopped by ACURAs
ACURA....Are you monitoring these boards?
Regardless, they have lost me as a buyer and I bought several vehicles in the last few years.....I haven't stopped buying cars, rather I have stopped by ACURAs
ACURA....Are you monitoring these boards?
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I think that's different though. What you are talking about is more to do with reliability. In that case, it's true that once someone has had a bad experience, it's hard to convince that person to come back.
Boe_d on the other hand is talking about lack of features. So, if the car is improved with more up-to-date technologies, better powertrain, styling, etc, he/she is more likely to consider the new product.
Boe_d on the other hand is talking about lack of features. So, if the car is improved with more up-to-date technologies, better powertrain, styling, etc, he/she is more likely to consider the new product.
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I think that's different though. What you are talking about is more to do with reliability. In that case, it's true that once someone has had a bad experience, it's hard to convince that person to come back.
Boe_d on the other hand is talking about lack of features. So, if the car is improved with more up-to-date technologies, better powertrain, styling, etc, he/she is more likely to consider the new product.
Boe_d on the other hand is talking about lack of features. So, if the car is improved with more up-to-date technologies, better powertrain, styling, etc, he/she is more likely to consider the new product.
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^^ I Would take a Type-S with the extra power generated by batteries, sort of what they did with the NSX and RLX.
We have all pretty much told what Acura needs to do to be successful....They don't need to make every TLX super sporty, they just need to make that option available for those who want it. Start creating a buzz for the brand again. If you go on TOV, they haven't even posted any stories about the spied TLX but they have that hideous Honda boxy thingy - When Acura can't even get the guys at TOV to be excited about Acura, what does that tell you!
We have all pretty much told what Acura needs to do to be successful....They don't need to make every TLX super sporty, they just need to make that option available for those who want it. Start creating a buzz for the brand again. If you go on TOV, they haven't even posted any stories about the spied TLX but they have that hideous Honda boxy thingy - When Acura can't even get the guys at TOV to be excited about Acura, what does that tell you!
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TLX MMC - get ready to be disappointed. New grill and exhaust tips. Boo fkn who.... . Where is a pic of the dash? That garbage info unit is proly still there, 9speed zf, cheap interior, no Type S.... Acura knows what needs to be done with this car but they will not invest in it because the sales are not there. Hmmm I wonder why this car is not selling well??? It's still a mystery to them
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Haha Jeff at TOV has to pay in order to post those pictures...hence those weren't posted.
Anyway, ya, there are things Acura can do without spending a whole lot to make some of their cars competitive. For sure, adding new variants, hybrid, type-s, and using nicer materials would be a good start.
Totally agree that Acura should add options for those that want it, such as adding Sport Hybrid to the TLX. a range topping TLX advance sport hybrid with 380hp while getting 30mpg in the city at $50k would be pretty desirable.
Haha Jeff at TOV has to pay in order to post those pictures...hence those weren't posted.
Anyway, ya, there are things Acura can do without spending a whole lot to make some of their cars competitive. For sure, adding new variants, hybrid, type-s, and using nicer materials would be a good start.
Totally agree that Acura should add options for those that want it, such as adding Sport Hybrid to the TLX. a range topping TLX advance sport hybrid with 380hp while getting 30mpg in the city at $50k would be pretty desirable.
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Anyway, ya, there are things Acura can do without spending a whole lot to make some of their cars competitive. For sure, adding new variants, hybrid, type-s, and using nicer materials would be a good start.
Totally agree that Acura should add options for those that want it, such as adding Sport Hybrid to the TLX. a range topping TLX advance sport hybrid with 380hp while getting 30mpg in the city at $50k would be pretty desirable.
Anyway, ya, there are things Acura can do without spending a whole lot to make some of their cars competitive. For sure, adding new variants, hybrid, type-s, and using nicer materials would be a good start.
Totally agree that Acura should add options for those that want it, such as adding Sport Hybrid to the TLX. a range topping TLX advance sport hybrid with 380hp while getting 30mpg in the city at $50k would be pretty desirable.
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Maybe the Detroit Auto Show? Spy shots of the '17 MDX on the road started to appear a couple months before they released it, I'm thinking maybe the same trend for the TLX?
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Given the proliferation of eSH-AWD, probably safe to assume the hybrid and S variants will be the same model, while the 4-cyl gets a turbo. This puts it more on par with its competitors, but they may shoot themselves in the foot again by making the turbo-4 the S/V6 replacement and keeping the old 4 banger as-is.
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