2018 TLX Spy Shots
12-30-2016, 07:31 PM
#481
^^ That is exactly what I was saying earlier - Imagine having to make a living off Acura and seeing these poorly executed projects. While we rant because we are annoyed, at then end of the day, I don't need to rely on Mendel or Merek to put food on the table - Imagine poor salespeople or dealers who had to invest millions to rejuvenate the dealers or invest in specialized tools for the hot selling NSX.
12-31-2016, 09:16 AM
#482
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2. The TLX is still selling better than its predecessor from 2009-2014m in its best year.
TL
2009 33,620
2010 34,049
2011 31,237
2012 33,572
2013 24,318
2014 10,616
TLX
2015 47080
2016 November YTD 33535
Of course today, SUVs sell much more than 10+ years ago. Combined RDX/MDX sales are near 120 000 / year.
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12-31-2016, 09:37 AM
#483
^^^TSX included in those numbers?
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12-31-2016, 10:05 AM
#484
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^^ That is exactly what I was saying earlier - Imagine having to make a living off Acura and seeing these poorly executed projects. While we rant because we are annoyed, at then end of the day, I don't need to rely on Mendel or Merek to put food on the table - Imagine poor salespeople or dealers who had to invest millions to rejuvenate the dealers or invest in specialized tools for the hot selling NSX.
12-31-2016, 10:19 AM
#485
I would also add that Acura sales in 2015 were their fifth best result ever and that sales grew for four straight years from 2012-2015. Acura isn't back to the "glory years" of 2004-2007 (which are the four years higher than 2015 was) and this year is clearly a step back but this isn't outright disaster just yet. In fact we don't want Acura to treat it as outright disaster. The lesson of Ito's cancelling product is that you don't want to overreact even though the financial crisis was a lot closer to disaster than whatever is happening now with the brand and the world in general.
These things happen slowly and only with dedication to a plan. I understand why people don't like Marek - but clearly they have some sort of plan now and we need to actually see new production sheet metal - last time they really didn't follow through. I'd rather see a brand really go for it (like Lexus has with the spindle grille) rather than tippy toe their way along.
These things happen slowly and only with dedication to a plan. I understand why people don't like Marek - but clearly they have some sort of plan now and we need to actually see new production sheet metal - last time they really didn't follow through. I'd rather see a brand really go for it (like Lexus has with the spindle grille) rather than tippy toe their way along.
12-31-2016, 01:35 PM
#488
Yes! For me it reminds me of the lower part of that Camry SE. It was towards at the end of the factory where the vehicles went from finished assembly to the Dyno. The 2018 TLX was still wrapped in white shrink wrap so no sight of badges. I wasn't able to see it closer since I was behind a line and the tour guide was moving forward with the back tour guide telling me to move. Anyone who went on the tour can tell you that they don't allow photographs. If only I had a spy camera pen.
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01-01-2017, 07:11 PM
#489
Burning Brakes
01-02-2017, 06:33 AM
#490
nevermind....found these sale figures online....USA only and only guess if they are correct
TSX Sales
2009: 28650
2010: 32076
2011: 30393
2012: 28865
2013: 17484
2014: 6287
Maybe we should combine these with the TL sales numbers since the TLX replaced both models.
TSX Sales
2009: 28650
2010: 32076
2011: 30393
2012: 28865
2013: 17484
2014: 6287
Maybe we should combine these with the TL sales numbers since the TLX replaced both models.
01-02-2017, 07:19 AM
#491
Summer is Coming
Yes, in the case of Acura, Marek can't get fired because they have a quote of one "overweight middle-aged white man with a mohawk desperately trying to hang on to some image that he is 'hip' but in reality is incompetent just no one will tell him the truth" guy. If they fired him where the heck would they find another? Only in SoCal.
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01-02-2017, 10:35 AM
#492
^^ LMAO!! I nearly spit my tea as I read your post - well played my man....well played!
01-02-2017, 02:01 PM
#493
Given that all new Accord will be released soon and Honda will make improvements to it inside out will put even more pressure on the TLX. The gap between these two cars is not that great as is. Will Acura sit on their hands for another two or maybe even three years until FMC is for the TLX??? This should be interesting. The MMC is much more important in my view. Let's see what they do. Should be interesting.
01-02-2017, 02:42 PM
#494
^Agreed -- the current Accord and Civic have more rear leg room than the current TLX (that's not likely to change in an MMC). The only major selling points for the TLX (depending on what Honda does with the next-gen Accord) are:
(1) SH-AWD;
(2) Tech package suite;and
(3) Reduced cabin noise.
My new train of thought is, if I don't need SH-AWD, why go TLX over Accord? If I need power, why TLX over CTR?
(1) SH-AWD;
(2) Tech package suite;and
(3) Reduced cabin noise.
My new train of thought is, if I don't need SH-AWD, why go TLX over Accord? If I need power, why TLX over CTR?
01-02-2017, 05:59 PM
#495
Acura should cut the life of all their current lineup and start fresh. Sure there will be losses but they may get to save their name and image (whats left of it) which should be better in the long run.
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01-02-2017, 06:04 PM
#496
Burning Brakes
^Agreed -- the current Accord and Civic have more rear leg room than the current TLX (that's not likely to change in an MMC). The only major selling points for the TLX (depending on what Honda does with the next-gen Accord) are:
(1) SH-AWD;
(2) Tech package suite;and
(3) Reduced cabin noise.
My new train of thought is, if I don't need SH-AWD, why go TLX over Accord? If I need power, why TLX over CTR?
(1) SH-AWD;
(2) Tech package suite;and
(3) Reduced cabin noise.
My new train of thought is, if I don't need SH-AWD, why go TLX over Accord? If I need power, why TLX over CTR?
01-02-2017, 09:03 PM
#497
Banned
Whether some will hate or not, the Acura TLX is stylish-ly more advanced than the plebeian Accord. It has more chic factor, more interesting to own. I owned 2 Accords, No way I would have bought a 2013-. I liked my Accords, but never enjoyed them in the same way as I do with the TLX.
Doesn't compute. For your information, the TLX V6 has direct injection and much better transmissions overall.
I will agree with you for entertainment if it was your point.
I think the tech in the Accord is more advanced than the TLX.
I will agree with you for entertainment if it was your point.
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01-02-2017, 09:22 PM
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I had an Accord before buying the TL. Honestly, there is no comparison. I am not sure why people compare these two cars. TL has better interior and looks more prestigious. The finishing is another class in TL.
Last but not least, the engine response in TL is something to mention.
I agree with the infotainment.
I can say the same about Tourag and Cayenne. But I know Cayenne is a special SUV and I am sure those who own Cayenne know very well why they paid $$$$ instead of getting a Tourag.
Last but not least, the engine response in TL is something to mention.
I agree with the infotainment.
I can say the same about Tourag and Cayenne. But I know Cayenne is a special SUV and I am sure those who own Cayenne know very well why they paid $$$$ instead of getting a Tourag.
01-03-2017, 12:52 AM
#500
I had an Accord before buying the TL. Honestly, there is no comparison. I am not sure why people compare these two cars. TL has better interior and looks more prestigious. The finishing is another class in TL.
Last but not least, the engine response in TL is something to mention.
I agree with the infotainment.
I can say the same about Tourag and Cayenne. But I know Cayenne is a special SUV and I am sure those who own Cayenne know very well why they paid $$$$ instead of getting a Tourag.
Last but not least, the engine response in TL is something to mention.
I agree with the infotainment.
I can say the same about Tourag and Cayenne. But I know Cayenne is a special SUV and I am sure those who own Cayenne know very well why they paid $$$$ instead of getting a Tourag.
lmao sidenote on the Touareg vs Cayenne, the 1G Touareg had a MUCH nicer interior than the Cayenne (both quality and looks wise) and Q7 (Quality wise), but the 2G Cayenne shits all over it in terms of quality and style...I am a Touareg fanboy so had to mention this haha.
01-03-2017, 12:57 AM
#501
I think Honda didn't go with the Aisin unit because Aisin is owned by Toyota. Either Honda doesn't wanna go with something made by Toyota, or Toyota didn't sell to them (i.e. making the tranny super expensive that wouldn't make sense).
Yea, CVT isn't bad but it sounds too boring...lol..
The 2G and 3G TL were great. The 4G TL was also a decent car but its appearance wasn't good. It also wasn't selling that well. I think combining the TSX and TL made sense. Both of them were dropping in sales, and somewhat cannibalizing each other in terms of sales. Acura also wanted to consolidate its model names. The issue is the execution. When you look at the interior dimensions of the TLX, 2G TSX, and the 4G TL, the differences are pretty small. The TL is noticeably longer, but a lot of that is because of the pointy nose and rear. The wheelbase of the TLX and 4G TL is exactly he same at 109.3". The TSX is actually shorter at 106". If anything, I think Acura could've done a better job with optimizing the interior to make the rear legroom more on the TLX.
Going back the exeuction issue, while interior size is fine, the interior feels cheaper in the TLX than the TL. Then there's the powertrain choices. The 2.4L with 8-DCT is a fine combo for an entry level trim. At launch, it competed well with 320i, ATS 2.5, IS250, etc. The 3.5L V6 is fine too, and on paper, 9AT is excellent news. Given its pricing, it's more or less competes with the 328i, A4 2.0T, ATS 3.6L, IS350, C300, etc. It does a good job against those cars. The problem IMO is that, there's nothing above the 3.5L V6 to go against 340i, S4, C450 AMG.
And then there's the marketing. Acura is trying to sell the TLX as a sports sedan. But it really isn't one. Where's the 300+ hp engine? Where's sporty suspension? Where's the summer tire option? Where are the exhaust tips?
IMO, Acura should've sold the TLX as an alternative to the Lexus ES350. While the interior may not feel as luxurious, but it's noticeably cheaper and it's pretty darn quiet inside. It also feels a bit more sporty than the ES350.
Yea, CVT isn't bad but it sounds too boring...lol..
The 2G and 3G TL were great. The 4G TL was also a decent car but its appearance wasn't good. It also wasn't selling that well. I think combining the TSX and TL made sense. Both of them were dropping in sales, and somewhat cannibalizing each other in terms of sales. Acura also wanted to consolidate its model names. The issue is the execution. When you look at the interior dimensions of the TLX, 2G TSX, and the 4G TL, the differences are pretty small. The TL is noticeably longer, but a lot of that is because of the pointy nose and rear. The wheelbase of the TLX and 4G TL is exactly he same at 109.3". The TSX is actually shorter at 106". If anything, I think Acura could've done a better job with optimizing the interior to make the rear legroom more on the TLX.
Going back the exeuction issue, while interior size is fine, the interior feels cheaper in the TLX than the TL. Then there's the powertrain choices. The 2.4L with 8-DCT is a fine combo for an entry level trim. At launch, it competed well with 320i, ATS 2.5, IS250, etc. The 3.5L V6 is fine too, and on paper, 9AT is excellent news. Given its pricing, it's more or less competes with the 328i, A4 2.0T, ATS 3.6L, IS350, C300, etc. It does a good job against those cars. The problem IMO is that, there's nothing above the 3.5L V6 to go against 340i, S4, C450 AMG.
And then there's the marketing. Acura is trying to sell the TLX as a sports sedan. But it really isn't one. Where's the 300+ hp engine? Where's sporty suspension? Where's the summer tire option? Where are the exhaust tips?
IMO, Acura should've sold the TLX as an alternative to the Lexus ES350. While the interior may not feel as luxurious, but it's noticeably cheaper and it's pretty darn quiet inside. It also feels a bit more sporty than the ES350.
I agree with everything you are saying especially about no competition with M-models, or V-models, or AMG. Acura Marketing is a failure IMHO, I occasionally see some commercials for the RDX and find it funny how they show it on a racetrack when we all damn well know the 2G RDX belongs nowhere near a curvy road. The TLX is meant to battle the IS, GS, and ES....now you see why it is a tough battle for what really is not a bad car.
01-03-2017, 06:42 AM
#502
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Whether some will hate or not, the Acura TLX is stylish-ly more advanced than the plebeian Accord. It has more chic factor, more interesting to own. I owned 2 Accords, No way I would have bought a 2013-. I liked my Accords, but never enjoyed them in the same way as I do with the TLX.
Doesn't compute. For your information, the TLX V6 has direct injection and much better transmissions overall.
I will agree with you for entertainment if it was your point.
Doesn't compute. For your information, the TLX V6 has direct injection and much better transmissions overall.
I will agree with you for entertainment if it was your point.
For me it was far and away the improved ride quality - the Accord felt like drivign an Ox Cart on our bumpy side streets while the TLX does a wonderful job of smoothing them out a bit. Plus the TLX is more quiet inside - along with a number of smaller things that you only appreciate over time. Now - I understand the Accord MMC was a nice upgrade which closed the gap so I can't speak to the current Accord in comparison.
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01-03-2017, 01:50 PM
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Good call on why they didn't use aisen, they would rather drop dead than go to their number 1 competitor.
I agree with everything you are saying especially about no competition with M-models, or V-models, or AMG. Acura Marketing is a failure IMHO, I occasionally see some commercials for the RDX and find it funny how they show it on a racetrack when we all damn well know the 2G RDX belongs nowhere near a curvy road. The TLX is meant to battle the IS, GS, and ES....now you see why it is a tough battle for what really is not a bad car.
I agree with everything you are saying especially about no competition with M-models, or V-models, or AMG. Acura Marketing is a failure IMHO, I occasionally see some commercials for the RDX and find it funny how they show it on a racetrack when we all damn well know the 2G RDX belongs nowhere near a curvy road. The TLX is meant to battle the IS, GS, and ES....now you see why it is a tough battle for what really is not a bad car.
Haha yup. And IIRC, Soichiro Honda was rejected by Toyota when he applied for a job there. It's probably not relevant nowadays, but may be Soichiro Honda said to his employees, "we will never work with those bastards at Toyota!"
That sort of commercial would be fine for the 1G RDX. It's much sportier than the 2G RDX!
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