Hi All,

I have been reading on this message for fellow owners. I have a 2012 TL SH-AWD.

I did replace the Fuel Cap with a Genuine Honda Fuel cap, the message went away for a few miles, but came right back.

I also replaced the Purge Control Solenoid Valve with a cheap chinese one off amazon, but the message is still there.

I ordered a Genuine Honda one today, should be here Saturday. I will report back after switching it.

If that doesn't fix it, do you think it's the charcoal canister? I am running out of ideas and will take it in to the dealership, reluctantly, if the new Honda Purge Control Solenoid Valve doesn't fix it.

Thoughts?

 

Mine was the purge valve. I replaced it with OEM that I bought from dealer. That should hopefully be it.

 

Interesting find as well: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...51921-6040.pdf

TSB for updating PCM Software for this specific issue.

 

Had that a month ago, had my Honda mechanic neighbour check it out. He found 2 small leaks in the evap system, but nothing I'm going to care about at this point. Cleaned up the fuel cap and put some silicone grease on the cap threads and it has been fine since. I, too, was about to replace the purge valve until I had it looked at by someone with lots of J-series experience.

 

Finally message fixed. (drove about 50 miles without message)

Here is what i did:
1) Replaced Gas cap with new Honda Gas Cap (Part # 17670-T3W-A01) ---> Gas Cap Link
2) Replaced Purge Valve Solenoid (Part # 36162-RMX-A01) ---> Purge Valve Link
3) Replaced PCV Valve (Part # 17130-RYE-A01) ---> PCV Valve Link
4) Discharge battery by taking out negative cable tolet PCM reset for 15-20 min. Replug

I also cleaned the MAF sensor with MAF cleaner just in case while the battery was discharged.

*Problem Resolved*

 

All parts i used were OEM Honda parts.

Do not get a chinese part that is 1/4 of the cost.

It will not work. #Tried&Tested

 

yeah but then you got them on Amazon? Very big chance your “OEM” parts were counterfeit

 

I know which parts are counterfeit, I compared a non Honda gas cap vs Honda gas cap ,i also compared a non honda purge valve with a honda purge valve (marked with Denso).

The counterfeit ones are clearly selling as "brandless" or "private labels".

However, you are right, there are some counterfeit honda oem parts as well that i have seen on ebay especially. (that are being sold as OEM parts, which they are not)

But, if you are purchasing from a big seller with all stars, you will be fine. They do not want to get their multi-million accounts banned from retail platforms

I get it though... The ones i ordered are Genuine Honda Parts.

If anybody is worried, unsure or don't know how to purchase genuine Honda parts, they should definitely buy them from the Honda website or at the parts department at their local dealership.

 

One can't be too sure of ordering from Amazon, even is the dealer is shown as a "big seller". Amazon is guilty of a practice called commingling. Here is an example of Commingling. Let's say I give Amazon 100 counterfeit Honda oil filters. Amazon also buys direct from Honda of America 100 copies of the genuine filter for sale under the conditions “filled and shipped by Amazon”. All the filters, both counterfeit and genuine, at any given Amazon warehouse are placed in the same stock bin and the computer handles who made the purchase, the vendor, and a robot (most likely) draws the filter from the bin at time of purchase. But in this example, you have 50/50 chance of getting a counterfeit filter.

Amazon regards the products as fungible (it's an actual legal term), meaning that a filter made by brand xyz and labeled as Honda, is the same regardless of who is selling it. Further, if a warehouse in Brooklyn runs out of stock of the filter, the order may be filled from a warehouse in Harrisburg PA, again regardless of who has supplied the filters in any given bin.

So the buyer needs to use caution in purchasing these small commodity items; you may not know what you get, until you get it!

Honda of America at the Corporate level purchases thousands, perhaps millions of filters every year, and they purchase them direct from their source in Japan. They are then disseminated downward to the individual dealers, Honda parts suppliers, etc. based on the Honda inventory system. There isn't any unknown middle person, the filter is supplied from Honda (Japan) to Honda of America to the local Honda dealership. The odds are much higher in this scenario to get the genuine Honda filter.

This was well documented back in 2014 by many sources, one at The pros and cons of commingling for Amazon merchants. Whether it holds true today, and specifically with respect to Honda filters, remains an unknown. But buying the filter from a dealership or from the online dealer related vendors seems to be a better path and generally at little marginal cost..

 

Well said and a great read.

I think best practice would be to compare the part to the one you are replacing in your car with markings, part #s, design, color etc.

One can't ever be too careful. Mostly likely counterfeit Acura/Honda Parts websites too out there.

Also could get a counterfeit part from the dealer that has been restocked/returned as a counterfeit item by a shady customer.

Have to be careful regardless where you're getting it from.

In this day and age, you gotta use the best practices rule.