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Edmunds Comparison: Infiniti G37 Journey vs. Acura TL SH-AWD

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...el..1.*

AsianRage

I'm cross-shopping the G37 and TL SH-AWD right now, but it's the G37X version that I'm interested in, and I doubt that the performance of the G37X will be comparable to the TL SH-AWD.

Speed_Racer

I've only seen 1 '09 TL and it was a loaner. I wonder how they are selling.

cp3117

Well it's the 2009 TL's first test and first loss but it was very close.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...mktid=cj260233

The G37 is nice but i wish you could put the TL's interior in it.....Boy i hate Nissan interiors.

Costco

In that particular picture it just shows how nicely sculpted the 4G TL's lines are compared to the G's plain looking sides. It makes the 4G's stance look muscular and menacing. Still, the TL is like a butterface - except in this case it's also a butterassenface. It's got everything but a nice ass and face. The G37's front and rear look infinitely better, holding true to its nameplate.

I wish I could be excited by the 4G, but least they're moving away from FWD. A shame that they had to make it look the way they did though, no matter how much I see it in pictures or from what angle I see it from on the road/dealership, I just can't like it styling wise, and no matter how well it drives or how nice the interior is, I just can't get used to the styling, even though I really want to like it. I wouldn't be able to stand looking at my car from a distance and think "wow, I'm about to get into that thing?"

bmode

Close indeed. It's a good thing we drive cars on the inside. I think the overwhelming factor for me was seeing my 66 year old neighbor driving a new G37. It just says "retired" to me, no matter what the stat sheet says. I love the comment about first getting into the G37 after the TL experience!

darmok

Why on earth would Edmunds compare the TL SH-AWD to the RWD G37? All I can figure is that they had the press cars at the same time and decided to throw together a comparison. Put the extra weight of the AWD system on the G37x and it'd have been a more even comparison yet.

Wavehogger

Bingo, I said it here last night on another thread and I'll repeat it, Apples to Oranges.. Everyone here already knows the G37 is going to beat it straight line but come on this wasn't even fair. Who compares an all wheel to a rear wheel when they actually have an all wheel model?!#! Edmunds dissapoints here. Maybe you're right and they didn't have an X model and someone thought lets be the first to do a comparison, even if it's WHACK!

I really look forward to the reputable car magazine reviews and comparisons..

Senneca01

The new TL will still get smoked IMO...

The old G35x has been clocked as low as 5.4 & 14.1 (C&D), and it has also been shown to be faster around a road course than the RWD G35.

With the bigger engine and two extra gears, not much would change.

gatrhumpy

iTrader: (1)

I would take the G37 any day of the week.

Crazy Bimmer

I like the styling of the TL much more since G37 is looking pretty bland to me. Luckily it drives great!

Gonna see if i can get a TL loaner while the NSX is getting serviced.

Wavehogger

I'm not arguing that it will be faster straight line but the rest of the tests will be more equal. As for the road corse the SH-AWD has already bested the G in course track times. I bet it won't be long before other comparos start rolling in.

cM3go

I like the TSX now better than the TL

Mokos23

G37 FTW, TL FTL

Infiniti G37 sedan> Acura TL

I'll take the 7spd automatic, less ugly bodylines, and better performance over the 5 spd automatic and ugly exterior anyday.

Legend2TL

I was amused by the Photo #10 comment

"Shame about the truly frightening nose that is certain to scare off prospective buyers."

Followed up by the Photo #11 comment

"The rump's not much better."

dom

Surprise, surprise that the antiquated engine and transmission are the TL's biggest shortcoming.

Why an engine company is way behind the competition on engines is truly puzzling.

iTimmy

JediMindTricks

MaximaPower

base price of $43k FTL

and lots of other things FTL on the TL

weak engine for the TL's 3.7..everyone's 3.5 puts out that kind of power

sammietime

"If you can avoid eye contact with the TL's Medusa face and make it into the TL's cabin without being turned to stone..."

Ha,ha!

Can't the AWD G37 be had with the sport package? Or, is the AWD sport package just cosmetic?


One interesting point about the comparison is the "as tested weight" of each car. The infiniti is actually heavier (3704) by a few lbs., than the AWD Acura (3691). And, in each case, the tested weight is much different from manufacturer's reported curb weight. What's up with that?


I can't wait for the 2010 TL with clutch comparisons and tests!

Legend2TL

It would be interesting to see a comparison between a MT 4G TL AWD and a MT G37 AWD. Curious how much a difference the SH-AWD drive system makes.

godizus

I actually like the G in this comparison too.....

cp3117

In a way i agree that the G37X should have been used especially if price becomes a factor but the performance numbers wouldnt have really changed. The engine and transmission are far superior in the G compared to the TL.

At least they used the SH-AWD in the comparo as the standard TL FWD would have been embarassing.

On the skid pad the TL did great and although the SH-AWD should get a little credit for it, the 19" wheels and better tires is a huge factor. This is a downfall for the infiniti here. Most manufacruers are starting to put 19's available on their cars......If infiniti offered the 19" wheel package on the the "G" series as they do on the "M" series i think the skid pad numbers would be even closer than they already are if not better for the "G".

On a side note...Edmunds is a reputable company for car reviews. I am sure if the TL won you would have found them very reputable.

smsTL

iTrader: (1)

They used wrong color for TL. It doesn't show all the goody...

cp3117

+1

I wonder if the G37 sport 6MT with the active 4 wheel steering option would make a big difference?

Edward'TLS

The torque-vectoring feature in SH-AWD is way superior in taking corners than Nissan's regular AWD. That's why even AWD veteran Audi is scrambling to come up with something similar.

mr.Honnda F1

They judging the TL rather than test it.
I still taking the TL over that 1998s design G

Wavehogger

I'll say it again, they compared two totally different cars, otherwise I can't control the actual results and #'s. So I'm only knocking them for that. I don't believe other car mags will pick those two models again as a direct comparison, so that is all i'm saying. gee wizz

sammietime

Oh, if only.....unfortunately Infiniti will most likely never offer a MT with their AWD system. G has been AWD since 2003 and there's been no manual.

matt@edmunds

I think the nature of this comparison is that they are both being marketed as the performance versions of their respective model lines.


The fact is that the Acura is the slower of the two automobiles, by a considerable margin, regardless of the Infiniti being AWD or RWD. Acura needs a better transmission (or better programming) for this setup. Take a look at the acceleration comments:

"The SH-AWD system doesn't quite know what to do when the driver whacks the throttle from a stop. There seems to be a moment of thinking before progress begins in earnest. Noticeable cam change-over is audible rather than seat-of-the-pants. Upshifts in "S" are quick and not jarring. Also, it'll bang off the rev limiter if left in manual mode. Smoldering brake pads after acceleration testing."

The same thing happens in the slalom. This is sometimes a characteristic of a newly launched vehicle and will likely be more responsive with additional computer tweaking.

L3wD

LOL i read up to "a quarter-mile sprint of 15 seconds at 94.3 mph. Hardly slow, but well off the pace set by the Infiniti G37." and just had a laugh

honestly ppl have hit 14.9 on stock 00 225hp TLs... how can i take a performance review seriously when i see stats like this

anyways i knew the G37 7spd would out pace the 5AT on the SH-AWD... i wish they tested real performance by throwing these around a track... im sure that if the TL loses it wouldnt be by far... lol the TL isnt really a 15second car LMAO... thats so funny.. my I-4 04 Accord was a 15second car... my 00 TL is a high 14 second car.... please dont make jokes when reviewing cars!

Anyways I'm happy they took the highest model of G37 against the AT SH-AWD cant wait for the "sport"/MT comes out... i hope they learn how to drag race by then




edit: i just read the bang off the rev-limiter part.... whats it supposed to do if you dont shift?

Mokos23

0-60 in 6.7 sec? slow!

Bearcat94

Agreed. Biggest disappointment to me (performance-wise) is the lack of a 6 or 7 speed automatic transmisison. Acura/Honda is behind the curve on bringing this to market in their cars.

TL|GTX

lol, edmunds rly need to know how to drag race. The G37 has 0-60 5 sec flat C&D. And the TL can not be that slow, it's slower then a base TL. The TL got tested 6.0 sec 0-60.

KeithL

My dealer is about ready to sell me a Base with Tech for invoice +$500, but I'm not interested, he says they sold a few, but sales overall hurting, they are holding out for December which is usually a much better month, November is usually slow. I'm trying to hold out for a G37 Sedan, unless the dealer gives me a really incredible deal on 08 G35

TL|GTX

Keith i personally would wait for the 2010 G37, i think they are getting new rims.

Edward'TLS

Provided with the same engine and tranny, a 2WD car is always faster than the 4WD counterpart in a straight line.

PetesTL

I would bet Motor Trend/Car & Driver would be able to pull out a sub-6sec 0-60 out of the TL/SH-AWD quite easily. (C&D was able to get 5.7 sec out of a '09 Audi A4 which Edmunds needed 6.9 sec!)

ostrich

LOL! It's funny how I knew who the winner would be just by reading the first couple of paragraphs!? It's like the writer already decided who the winner would be before the test! LOL!

Anyway, I also am baffled by why they did not use the G37X - that would have been a better comparison. I just would not buy a RWD car because of the amount of snow I have to put up with in my area.

BTW, I love both cars in different ways... I happen to like the exterior styling of the G37 better than the TL, but the interior of the TL is much better. So, which is more important - to be pampered by the beautiful interior while driving, or to be admired by the drivers around us?

How does Infiniti compare to Acura in terms of re-sale value?

Also, I understand that the G35, though very fast, was a bit raw and unrefined in many ways. Has the G37 been improved in those areas?

blakura

Hey guys check out what the people at autospies are saying about the comparison...they really seem to dislike the TL, mostly immature bias.
http://www.autospies.com/news/Compar...Journey-37576/