What is with this stretching tires trend...?
08-21-2009, 10:43 PM
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princelybug i think ur setup is just as clean and much better performance wise. its also very similar to what i want to do to my Tl at some point. but its just another example of how its all your opinion and that's what's great about this culture
08-28-2009, 05:00 PM
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08-28-2009, 05:29 PM
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I'm a fan of VIP but this is way too much 
it looks like the rims are doing their best impression of goatse
it looks like the rims are doing their best impression of goatse
10-06-2009, 07:59 PM
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I guess it's due to my domestic car background, but I think the stretched tire look is God awful. I truly don't understand the point of wide rims if only 90% of the rim is actually covered in tire. You may as well put a 3 foot tall wing on the back of your TL.
That car in post number 28 is right on the money with the wheel/tire combo.
That car in post number 28 is right on the money with the wheel/tire combo.
03-05-2010, 03:19 PM
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actually, the fwd staggered look is not limited to just aesthetics, albeit fwd owners do it just for the looks.
Very few realize this (even those that sport this look) but, a great benefit from having wider wheels in the back of fwd cars is that it drastically reduces hydroplaning during the rainy season. The rationale behind this is that the bigger surface area actually gives the rear tires more grip than the front that it prevents the rear from swaying out of control. In fact, a wider rear stance and a more narrow front set up geometrically gives an arrow head dimension to your car that forces it to move forward straight front first rather than in a random spin.
So one could say that even though the staggered FWD may not offer any racing advantages, it surely gives you a safety benefit.
03-05-2010, 04:20 PM
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actually, the fwd staggered look is not limited to just aesthetics, albeit fwd owners do it just for the looks.
Very few realize this (even those that sport this look) but, a great benefit from having wider wheels in the back of fwd cars is that it drastically reduces hydroplaning during the rainy season. The rationale behind this is that the bigger surface area actually gives the rear tires more grip than the front that it prevents the rear from swaying out of control. In fact, a wider rear stance and a more narrow front set up geometrically gives an arrow head dimension to your car that forces it to move forward straight front first rather than in a random spin.
So one could say that even though the staggered FWD may not offer any racing advantages, it surely gives you a safety benefit.
Very few realize this (even those that sport this look) but, a great benefit from having wider wheels in the back of fwd cars is that it drastically reduces hydroplaning during the rainy season. The rationale behind this is that the bigger surface area actually gives the rear tires more grip than the front that it prevents the rear from swaying out of control. In fact, a wider rear stance and a more narrow front set up geometrically gives an arrow head dimension to your car that forces it to move forward straight front first rather than in a random spin.
So one could say that even though the staggered FWD may not offer any racing advantages, it surely gives you a safety benefit.
Wider tires on a dry surface will give it less understeer or more oversteer depending on the starting condition.
03-05-2010, 10:30 PM
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I know you're new here but this is not correct. Wider tires on any car will hydroplane easier. I'm not sure if you're trying to say the wider rear tires will cause the rear to drag the car straight but in reality this does not happen.
Wider tires on a dry surface will give it less understeer or more oversteer depending on the starting condition.
Wider tires on a dry surface will give it less understeer or more oversteer depending on the starting condition.
03-06-2010, 02:35 AM
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+1 ^^More tire on the road when it is wet with snow or water only means that the water has to travel futher to get away from the tire. The more narrow the tire, the less time water spends under the tire. For mud and sand (obviously on a off road vehicle) you would need a wider tire to displace the weight of the vehicle better so it doesn't "sink" as much...
If it's not the wider surface area that gives this effect then it's probably the arrow head or shuttle cock effect (badminton ball thingy) that does it.
I would say the combination of staggered tires and fwd has a totally different effect in wet conditions than staggered rwd cars...
03-06-2010, 02:40 AM
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I would agree with you guys because your theory sounds really logical but I've tried it out for myself and the difference that running wider tires in the back makes is really night and day. On even sized tires, when I would punch the gas pulling out of a parking lot I always ended up driving in almost a circle but with the wider tires I would always actually go where I pointed the front tires. I have even tried going 15-25mph on full throttle on an elbow turn on an intersection on a rainy day and it was point and shoot (can you imagine that? pretty stupid huh? Just wanted to do it again to double check the theory). That's the main reason I have kept the staggered set up despite the fact that it is a bummer when it comes to tire rotation.
If it's not the wider surface area that gives this effect then it's probably the arrow head or shuttle cock effect (badminton ball thingy) that does it.
I would say the combination of staggered tires and fwd has a totally different effect in wet conditions than staggered rwd cars...
If it's not the wider surface area that gives this effect then it's probably the arrow head or shuttle cock effect (badminton ball thingy) that does it.
I would say the combination of staggered tires and fwd has a totally different effect in wet conditions than staggered rwd cars...
Wider tires will always hydroplane easier.
03-06-2010, 02:52 AM
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Im sure that's true when all four tires are wide and the same size since it's a moving square rather than a slight triangle.
03-06-2010, 04:28 PM
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This thread=TOooOOo funny.
everyones got an opinion, everyones got there own taste. Its simple. modding a car=not safe in most cases. you turbo your honda civic.. it could blow up and cause potential damage to you or others around you, you put crazy wheels on your lexus.. it could fall off and cause damage to you or other around you? the 1980's VW rabbit driving next to you with no suspension and their lugnuts installed improperly could fall apart and damge you or others around you? f*** get over it.
everyones got an opinion, everyones got there own taste. Its simple. modding a car=not safe in most cases. you turbo your honda civic.. it could blow up and cause potential damage to you or others around you, you put crazy wheels on your lexus.. it could fall off and cause damage to you or other around you? the 1980's VW rabbit driving next to you with no suspension and their lugnuts installed improperly could fall apart and damge you or others around you? f*** get over it.
03-06-2010, 05:52 PM
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This thread=TOooOOo funny.
everyones got an opinion, everyones got there own taste. Its simple. modding a car=not safe in most cases. you turbo your honda civic.. it could blow up and cause potential damage to you or others around you, you put crazy wheels on your lexus.. it could fall off and cause damage to you or other around you? the 1980's VW rabbit driving next to you with no suspension and their lugnuts installed improperly could fall apart and damge you or others around you? f*** get over it.
everyones got an opinion, everyones got there own taste. Its simple. modding a car=not safe in most cases. you turbo your honda civic.. it could blow up and cause potential damage to you or others around you, you put crazy wheels on your lexus.. it could fall off and cause damage to you or other around you? the 1980's VW rabbit driving next to you with no suspension and their lugnuts installed improperly could fall apart and damge you or others around you? f*** get over it.
A tire failure is about the most serious failure you can have in terms of safety. Why would you put something that increases the likelyhood of failure?
Adding power is different. You control it with your right foot. You can turn it on and off. It's not going to randomly happen.
Comparing a car with no suspension and improperly torqued lugnuts might be a good comparison to stretched tires except one is caused willingly by the owner while the other is likely due to lack of money.
My car has lots of suspension work, sticky tires, and 13" brakes. It's modded and I consider it safer than stock so modding does not automatically make a car more unsafe, the driver makes the car more unsafe.
03-06-2010, 09:17 PM
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sure fair enough, i wont argue your response.. but wheres the proof that putting a setup on your car like discussed in the thread, DOES or HAS made the road a more unsafe place? i wanna see if someones "vip stlye" setup driving down the road as a daily driver has even caused or had a problem? all the photos posted of a wheel where the tire has come off the bead look like drift cars. im not certain since i havnt been on the forum for long, but have any local guys of the forum had it happen? not tying to get myself flammed on the thread or cuase a stink, im slightly interested since i myself has ordered 19x9.5 +22 Ce's all around...
03-07-2010, 05:57 PM
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There's a difference.
A tire failure is about the most serious failure you can have in terms of safety. Why would you put something that increases the likelyhood of failure?
Adding power is different. You control it with your right foot. You can turn it on and off. It's not going to randomly happen.
Comparing a car with no suspension and improperly torqued lugnuts might be a good comparison to stretched tires except one is caused willingly by the owner while the other is likely due to lack of money.
My car has lots of suspension work, sticky tires, and 13" brakes. It's modded and I consider it safer than stock so modding does not automatically make a car more unsafe, the driver makes the car more unsafe.
A tire failure is about the most serious failure you can have in terms of safety. Why would you put something that increases the likelyhood of failure?
Adding power is different. You control it with your right foot. You can turn it on and off. It's not going to randomly happen.
Comparing a car with no suspension and improperly torqued lugnuts might be a good comparison to stretched tires except one is caused willingly by the owner while the other is likely due to lack of money.
My car has lots of suspension work, sticky tires, and 13" brakes. It's modded and I consider it safer than stock so modding does not automatically make a car more unsafe, the driver makes the car more unsafe.
03-07-2010, 09:50 PM
#188
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sure fair enough, i wont argue your response.. but wheres the proof that putting a setup on your car like discussed in the thread, DOES or HAS made the road a more unsafe place? i wanna see if someones "vip stlye" setup driving down the road as a daily driver has even caused or had a problem? all the photos posted of a wheel where the tire has come off the bead look like drift cars. im not certain since i havnt been on the forum for long, but have any local guys of the forum had it happen? not tying to get myself flammed on the thread or cuase a stink, im slightly interested since i myself has ordered 19x9.5 +22 Ce's all around...
We have different opinions of what looks good obviously but that's fine as long as they're no safety issues. I'm running a 255 on the stock 8" rims which have a very slight bulge that several members discourage but my experience has shown absolutely no issues under race conditions in many different cars.
03-08-2010, 12:21 PM
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05-11-2010, 01:37 PM
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I was just remembering this thread and how I was also a nay-sayer........Now what do I do? I have stretched tires on my car, hehe. It's not an extreme stretch but a light to moderate one.
I must say from personal experience in terms of ride quality the car rides just fine, actually smoother than you'd expect. Handling is not altered during normal driving either. I do NOT do any hard or aggressive turns and I wouldn't try it. That is just stupid and asking for it. You really have to watch the deep potholes too. I hit a couple of them with a BAM! I was scared but found zero damage.
Stretching the tires is just for looks, and it should be installed on a car you'd not want to race. I drive like a grandma on NY streets, there is no choice. I don't mind though. But during evasive maneuvers there didn't seem to be any problem at all.
So bottomline, it is not exactly a sensible mod but it is not truly dangerous in my opinion either. Yes I changed my mind. It goes to prove what I see on this forum again and again; you don't know till you try it.
06-10-2010, 08:11 AM
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lol!
I was just remembering this thread and how I was also a nay-sayer........Now what do I do? I have stretched tires on my car, hehe. It's not an extreme stretch but a light to moderate one.
I must say from personal experience in terms of ride quality the car rides just fine, actually smoother than you'd expect. Handling is not altered during normal driving either. I do NOT do any hard or aggressive turns and I wouldn't try it. That is just stupid and asking for it. You really have to watch the deep potholes too. I hit a couple of them with a BAM! I was scared but found zero damage.
Stretching the tires is just for looks, and it should be installed on a car you'd not want to race. I drive like a grandma on NY streets, there is no choice. I don't mind though. But during evasive maneuvers there didn't seem to be any problem at all.
So bottomline, it is not exactly a sensible mod but it is not truly dangerous in my opinion either. Yes I changed my mind. It goes to prove what I see on this forum again and again; you don't know till you try it.
I was just remembering this thread and how I was also a nay-sayer........Now what do I do? I have stretched tires on my car, hehe. It's not an extreme stretch but a light to moderate one.
I must say from personal experience in terms of ride quality the car rides just fine, actually smoother than you'd expect. Handling is not altered during normal driving either. I do NOT do any hard or aggressive turns and I wouldn't try it. That is just stupid and asking for it. You really have to watch the deep potholes too. I hit a couple of them with a BAM! I was scared but found zero damage.
Stretching the tires is just for looks, and it should be installed on a car you'd not want to race. I drive like a grandma on NY streets, there is no choice. I don't mind though. But during evasive maneuvers there didn't seem to be any problem at all.
So bottomline, it is not exactly a sensible mod but it is not truly dangerous in my opinion either. Yes I changed my mind. It goes to prove what I see on this forum again and again; you don't know till you try it.
06-10-2010, 03:42 PM
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i havent read this entire post but i wanted to put my .02 in. i have 18x9s on my tl with 235-40-R18s stretched over them. i agree with most when i see the goofy half inch rim sticking out of a car but i can speak on behalf of my setup. i feel in no way endangered with what i have going. the ride is just as good if not better then the stock 17s ( probably because of the BF Goodrick Sport A/S tires with speed rating 90W**) anyways i have successfully hit 137mph (and dont worry family guys it was a clear highway) and felt no sign of failure. i guess u dont see failure til ur in the ditch upside-down though.
heres my wheels, tell me if yall think this is still too much stretch!
heres my wheels, tell me if yall think this is still too much stretch!
06-12-2010, 09:49 PM
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im not much to follow the trend of buying from a company that sells to every freakin owner of the same car. therefore i am different. they are infact 2010 gt500 wheels. machined black. 18x9 with 235 40 r18 on them. i believe offset is 40mm but could be wrong. no spacers are needed and they clear base breaks as well as brembos. believe me the front will be lower. as you can tell they have that massive svt cobra stance like it is ready to pounce. the tire size and wheel complement each other very well. i highly recommend them.
06-12-2010, 10:16 PM
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what size of brakes are you running? as long as the brakes you are running are 15 inches in diameter or smaller you will be fine. the diameter of the inside of wheel is 15.5 inches
here is a shot of the front brakes that are standard size. sorry for bad shot but i took picture upon this question.
here is a shot of the front brakes that are standard size. sorry for bad shot but i took picture upon this question.