WhyteLegend

Anyone used or ever heard of these before
If heard of any reliability or performance issues?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mookeeh-MK1-Performance-Stiff-Shorter-Shocks-Struts-Lowered-03-07-Accord-TL-TSX-/161417183569?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item259536c151&vxp=mtr

TacoBello

If you think that paying 10% of what a good suspension setup goes for is a good idea, I'd also like to sell you my portion of the Pacific ocean. I swear, I own a 500,000 acre section of it- if you send me $34.50 through paypal, I will reward you with a princely return of 465,000,000,000. I have this money because I am the sultan of the Pacific Ocean.

StanCeD_J32

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junk - you drive a tl, not a honda civic - get a quality set up.

guitarplayer16

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That whole setup is the price of one good shock

I wouldn't buy it.

WhyteLegend

I didn't ask the obvious about it being cheap or for assumptions .. What I asked was if anyone every used or heard of them . Let's not be quick to bash a product we dont know about . Evidently from price one would run but but after reading through the forums I would not be surprised if someone tried and that it what I am asking.
All I have ever used on my cars are Koni , Eibach and H&R for shocks or springs

guitarplayer16

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No one has tried it on here - for good reasons.

Chad05TL

I tried tien and it made my car ride like crap and noise galore .. crazy. Shock quality is the only question. Some make swoosh noises and some will make noise, like my konis did before I threw them in the trash.. I ain't worried about spring quality because it's all about the spring rate. I too wonder if the Mookeeh is any good. I mean how do you define " quality" if even tien makes your car ride so rough you hear every joint in the suspension ? Crazy.
obviously if a shock only lasts a week, then ya, that is junk. Or if they make a swishy sound, the shocks are junk. But beyond that, maybe they are good? Who knows without trying?

I bound the cheapest monitor I could find at microcenter 8 years ago.. And turned out to be awesome and long lasting. It's still going great. 27" I think.. I can't remember now. So you never know without trying.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mookeeh-MK1-Full-Coilover-Kit-Struts-For-03-07-Honda-Accord-TL-TSX-Coilovers/142265385415?fits=Year%3A2005%7CModel%3ATL&hash=it em211fad81c7:g:Pz8AAOSwImRYkqqs

Chad05TL

I'm actually more curious about these. The spring rate is lower , and the spring is likely longer. The ratio of the spring rate difference between front and rear is also more closer to the weight distribution of the TL. Which means that that front and rear will ride more equal, rather than having the front ride like it's on rails. Like tien and others.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Big-Sale-Fits-03-07-Honda-Accord-Coilovers-Kits-Coil-Suspension-Spring-Struts/332710854006?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.M BE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20180306143914%26meid%3D4b7a82 c034f04887a419de190acbff2f%26pid%3D100935%26rk%3D5 %26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D142265385415%26itm%3D3327108540 06&_trksid=p2056116.c100935.m2460

horseshoez

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Maybe it's just me, but any assembly like those which covers all four corners of the car for less than $300 total would be highly suspect.

Chad05TL

I would have bought these had they not been for an accord. The weight difference in that accord and my TL is about 400 pounds. but the idea and specs are right with those coilovers. most cars are 60/40 weight dist. Not 66/33 like Tien and others make it out to be. Plus those coilovers in the link, are a bit longer and do not drop more than 2" so, you can tell, they ride better. And I dont want to slam my car. Either way, the spring is too light for the TL. If the spring was strong enough, it would have been good because the specs are right on.

And I think the Mookeeh will be stiffer than what I want.

I have a better idea anyway. I have a set of Type-S springs for automatic. And my car is an automatic. So I think I am going to cut 1/2 a loop off the bottom of the spring. 1/2 a loop to 60% of the first loop.
This will drop it a little, and make it slightly firmer.
My only question is, I measured about 60% of the bottom loop and it is approximately 1/4" in uncompressed spring height.. The question is, how much does that equate to in "compressed height".

(during this exercise, I plan on replacing the front lower bushing with a homemade press tool thingy)

BROlando

I don't beleive that in 2018, someone can make a quality spring/damper setup for the price which those are listed.

Shock quality and overall tuning is obviously the most important aspect to ride quality.

But spring quality is something to consider. A spring is not "just a spring". Spring rate is not the only important aspect of a spring. BUT...a higher quality spring usually has more consisent spring rate control.

Try them, if you're willing to do an experiment.

BROlando

The TL has ~60/40 total weight distribution. Springs don't carry the car's total weight.

The front and rear motion ratios are not the same. And, again, the springs are only supporting SPRUNG weight.

You cannot just blindly say that you need a 60/40 spring rate split. It doesn't work like you think it works....even though the TL *happens* to have close to a 60/40 spring split.

The stock TL spring rate and motion ratio makes it so that the front and rear suspension are very close to the same wheel rate. Meaning that the front and rear are sprung as stiffly as each other. If you combine that with the fact that the rear weighs less...the rear actually has more effective compression resistance than the front.

What Tein did you try? The Flex?
You've had so many issues with noise that other people don't seem to have had...

How/why on Earth are you not worried about spring quality??

Chad05TL

Tell me what spring quality is according to your own terms, then we can discuss the specific issues and determine whether or not spring A is better than spring B. And if you have no real data, about a specific parameter, then its hearsay.
In the late 80s or 90s, they said, Dont believe the hype!
Another analogy,: Worst case, if Ford can install springson a continental cruiser or the old galaxy LTD, and have them collapse after 8 or 10 years, and it worked for 8 or 10 years,, then why not now? How long are you going to keep the car? What is your historical average of ownership? 2 years? Maybe 3? And what is the price of these springs? What are you worried about? Dang man. I'm shocked you are sweating the small stuff.

I was actually more interested in the 2nd ones I posted anyway.. but those are for an accord.
still again.. another anaology... "what is for my car"?
out of all the parameters----
uncompressed length
coil thickness
spring width
progressive or not
Inside diameter
outside diameter...
tien and all the other Manufacturers change just about every OEM spec..
so what is my spring?
is it accord?
is it tsx?
is it TL?
it's all about the specs..
even the hardening of the metal...
but today, many are cold wound. So that takes out the cooling process.

Chad05TL

also I said "Tien and others" so I'm not just picking on Tien
And I am not the only one that has had noise problems that cannot be found.
The guy I sold my Tiens to, also said they made his car rattle.
I think the problem is mostly the CAR, not Tien. but any spring that is heavily wound, and real firm, it will make noise on these Honda's.. Acura..whatever. same design.
That's why I said 66/33 weight dist. beacuse the 12kg/6kg spring is too firm and out of balance. Wrong proportion. Should be closer to 61.4/38.6 for 2005 Acura TL with automatic. and 60.0/40.0 for Manual trans.
Boy thats some great quality. They dont even have the ratio right. haha

BROlando

A quality spring's actual rate will be closer to the advertised rate.

It will not sag over time.

The coating will resist corrision.

It will resist breaking.

It will be consistently wound.

It will have less coils for greater travel.

etc etc etc.

I'll make it more simple

Here is a shitty spring after 2 or 3 months in IL. This thing would have broken like a MF in a year or less.



Here's a 4 year old Tein spring used in the same conditions, on the same car.

It didn't even lose 1mm in free length over 4 years of use! And there are maybe a couple small spots of surface rust.



If you buy a shitty set of coils for $300 and then have go go buy a replacement set of springs for $250-300 (eibachs average like $65/ea), then you're in the same territory as buying a reputable setup anyway.

Tein sells SA's for like $600.


Tein's QUALITY is fantastic. They last forever and are consistent, corrosion resistant, and can take a massive beating.

Unfortunately, their entry level dampers are a bit limited in terms of how they ride. The Flex tries to meet too many goals for its price point, and it just ends up displeasing in every way. It will still last for a long time. It just isn't dialed in very well.

So think about that....

If a reputable company can't make their kit ride well for $800....then what will a $300 coilover from a fly-by-night company ride like? Maybe it will ride *ok*. But what are you giving up in terms of quality and longevity?

Again...which setup from Tein did you have? And why did you buy it?

WhyteLegend

I initially got function & form type 1, but I was too harsh. Sold it after 2 months. Install Tein SA still holding up since mid 2015 .