New Brakes = New problems
12-28-2009, 12:19 PM
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New Brakes = New problems
I just replaced my front brake pads with the same ones that I have been using (Replaced in 04-2009) and when I put these pads on I had a couple of issues. The driver side wheel gave me a little trouble at first but I got it off. I unhooked the cable that comes from the engine compartment provides the brake fluid for the brakes and lost some brake fluid but filled it back up to between "min and max." The problem is now when I go to stop my pedal is loose and it doesn't really want to stop. Its like I didn't "pump" the pedal after I finished the brakes. I can put it up and it will get tight but when I move the car it loosens us. I have no idea what I did wrong. I have been changing my own brakes for a while now and i have never had this problem. Also, I'm not sure if the position of where the washer need to be on the bolt and screw that holds that cable with brake fluid onto the caliper.
12-28-2009, 08:58 PM
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If you disconnected the brake line the possibility of air entering the system is quite high. Suggest you bleed the brakes, all 4 wheels to be sure, and see if the pedal is firmer.
Don't disconnect the line, either siphon fluid out of the master cylinder to make room for the returned fluid, or undo the bleeder as you push the caliper piston(s) back in to their respective bores.
Don't disconnect the line, either siphon fluid out of the master cylinder to make room for the returned fluid, or undo the bleeder as you push the caliper piston(s) back in to their respective bores.
12-29-2009, 08:07 AM
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bleed your brakes man
12-29-2009, 08:18 AM
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Sorry, since brakes are SO IMPORTANT to you and the others around you, there's just no polite way so here goes.
Again, I'm not trying to attack you but rather strongly suggest that you have someone more experienced fully rectify the situation. At a minimum you need your system properly bled. Beyond that we can only speculate based on what you have posted.
...I unhooked the cable that comes from the engine compartment provides the brake fluid for the brakes and lost some brake fluid.
Not a cable. It's a brake line. Perhaps it's just a simple error on your part or maybe it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the braking system. We can't know for sure from a single written post.
...I have been changing my own brakes for a while now and i have never had this problem
I'd say you have been pretty lucky so far given what you have posted here. Brakes aren't complicated but they do require specific knowledge and it's unclear how much of that knowledge you have taught yourself.
... I'm not sure if the position of where the washer need to be on the bolt and screw that holds that cable with brake fluid onto the caliper.
It's pretty important that that be correct. If you are in doubt you need to correct it. Better yet you should take your car to a professional and have the brake line connections checked/inspected and have them do a full brake fluid flush/bleed.
Not a cable. It's a brake line. Perhaps it's just a simple error on your part or maybe it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the braking system. We can't know for sure from a single written post.
...I have been changing my own brakes for a while now and i have never had this problem
I'd say you have been pretty lucky so far given what you have posted here. Brakes aren't complicated but they do require specific knowledge and it's unclear how much of that knowledge you have taught yourself.
... I'm not sure if the position of where the washer need to be on the bolt and screw that holds that cable with brake fluid onto the caliper.
It's pretty important that that be correct. If you are in doubt you need to correct it. Better yet you should take your car to a professional and have the brake line connections checked/inspected and have them do a full brake fluid flush/bleed.
12-29-2009, 01:33 PM
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[quote=Adobeman;11604448]Sorry, since brakes are SO IMPORTANT to you and the others around you, there's just no polite way so here goes.
Again, I'm not trying to attack you but rather strongly suggest that you have someone more experienced fully rectify the situation. At a minimum you need your system properly bled. Beyond that we can only speculate based on what you have posted.
Thanks for the replies. Its usually a smoothier process but not this time. I will bleed the brakes and refill it with the dot4 brake fluid. I will post my results on here. May not be able to do it today since we are supposed to get snow today. Thank you all..
Again, I'm not trying to attack you but rather strongly suggest that you have someone more experienced fully rectify the situation. At a minimum you need your system properly bled. Beyond that we can only speculate based on what you have posted.
Thanks for the replies. Its usually a smoothier process but not this time. I will bleed the brakes and refill it with the dot4 brake fluid. I will post my results on here. May not be able to do it today since we are supposed to get snow today. Thank you all..
12-29-2009, 01:47 PM
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I concur with what Adobeman said. Take it to a professional. For your safety and here's the really important part...... for the safety of everyone else that use the same roads you do.
I'm taking a guess here, but if you've got the money to put 22" wheels (no comment on how that looks) on a tl, then you should have no problem forking over a few bucks to have your brake system checked out so it functions correctly.
Does your tl have the Brembo brake kit? Or are the stock brakes on there?
I'm taking a guess here, but if you've got the money to put 22" wheels (no comment on how that looks) on a tl, then you should have no problem forking over a few bucks to have your brake system checked out so it functions correctly.
Does your tl have the Brembo brake kit? Or are the stock brakes on there?
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12-29-2009, 05:04 PM
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you bleed your brakes by
1. getting the right brake fluid that is compatable with the stuff already in your car
2. get a friend
3. jack up and remove the wheel at the right front
4. find the bleeder bolt (usually the highest point on the caliper) and attach a bleeder kit hose to the nipple on the bolt and then loosen it enoguh to let fluid start coming out
see # 3 and 4 in the pic.
5. have your friend pump the brakes a few times and watch the fluid coming out and you can close the bleeder valve when there are no more bubbles in the fluid, or, do what I do and wait until the fluid is clear (ie new fluid has made it down to the caliper) and then close and torque the valve to specs and replace the cover.
During this time add fluid to the Master Cylinder as needed keeping it above the MIN line so that air does not enter the system.
Repeat steps 3-5 for each wheel keeping an eye level on the fluid.
When you are done you will have successfully bled your brakes and changed your fluid at the same time.
*disclaimer I am not responsible for any mishaps caused by following these steps. PROCEEDE AT YOUR OWN RISK!*
1. getting the right brake fluid that is compatable with the stuff already in your car
2. get a friend
3. jack up and remove the wheel at the right front
4. find the bleeder bolt (usually the highest point on the caliper) and attach a bleeder kit hose to the nipple on the bolt and then loosen it enoguh to let fluid start coming out
see # 3 and 4 in the pic.
5. have your friend pump the brakes a few times and watch the fluid coming out and you can close the bleeder valve when there are no more bubbles in the fluid, or, do what I do and wait until the fluid is clear (ie new fluid has made it down to the caliper) and then close and torque the valve to specs and replace the cover.
During this time add fluid to the Master Cylinder as needed keeping it above the MIN line so that air does not enter the system.
Repeat steps 3-5 for each wheel keeping an eye level on the fluid.
When you are done you will have successfully bled your brakes and changed your fluid at the same time.
*disclaimer I am not responsible for any mishaps caused by following these steps. PROCEEDE AT YOUR OWN RISK!*
12-30-2009, 07:57 AM
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People are "dicks" because they're concerned about the safety of the op and of others on the road? Explain that one to me please.
You also might want to talk to a brake specialist concerning the size of the wheel on your car and the stock braking system. You'll probably find that it's recommended you upgrade the brakes when moving up to a larger wheel. Especially one as large as 22". The stock system is designed for 17 or 18 inch wheels. A 22 inch wheel increases the rotational force significantly, probably more than the stock system was designed to handle.
Will it work? Obviously he's been driving around on them. Is it safe? Professional mechanics would probably say no. Anyway, if you keep the stock system, get familiar with changing the pads, you'll probably go through them like you do socks.
You also might want to talk to a brake specialist concerning the size of the wheel on your car and the stock braking system. You'll probably find that it's recommended you upgrade the brakes when moving up to a larger wheel. Especially one as large as 22". The stock system is designed for 17 or 18 inch wheels. A 22 inch wheel increases the rotational force significantly, probably more than the stock system was designed to handle.
Will it work? Obviously he's been driving around on them. Is it safe? Professional mechanics would probably say no. Anyway, if you keep the stock system, get familiar with changing the pads, you'll probably go through them like you do socks.
12-30-2009, 08:19 AM
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brakes are the single most important system on a car. Without any other system (suspension, powertrain, electronics, etc) the car probably isn't moving. But without brakes, that car isn't stopping until it hits something more stubborn than the car itself.
12-30-2009, 01:15 PM
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^^ You're welcome.
Please think about upgrading the brakes if you're going to run those wheels. Consider this.... the Acura designers installed the larger Brembo brakes on the six speed cars mainly because they had wheels that were one inch larger than the automatics. Going from 17 to 18 is why the Brembo brakes are stock. You went all the way to 22!!
Please think about upgrading the brakes if you're going to run those wheels. Consider this.... the Acura designers installed the larger Brembo brakes on the six speed cars mainly because they had wheels that were one inch larger than the automatics. Going from 17 to 18 is why the Brembo brakes are stock. You went all the way to 22!!
12-30-2009, 03:57 PM
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^^ I think so. Prior to the -s the 04 - 06 six speed had Brembos. IIRC it was because of the larger wheel and not just because of the manual gearbox. Although it may have been a combination of the two.
Wheel size is definitely part of the equation when determining a braking system though, might even carry the most weight.
At any rate, 22" wheels on a car with brakes designed for only 17" wheels is a huge mismatch. It would be a different story if we were talking about a show car that wasn't driven, but this sounds like a daily driver.
Wheel size is definitely part of the equation when determining a braking system though, might even carry the most weight.
At any rate, 22" wheels on a car with brakes designed for only 17" wheels is a huge mismatch. It would be a different story if we were talking about a show car that wasn't driven, but this sounds like a daily driver.
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