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Old 02-28-2013, 10:42 PM
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Post some pics of the old bushings!
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Originally Posted by 9632tl
Post some pics of the old bushings!
They are gone. Threw them out.
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...they just look like cracked rubber.
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I started on mine today, an the Balljoints are a bitch. I destroyed a tool on the driver's side.
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Originally Posted by 9632tl
I started on mine today, an the Balljoints are a bitch. I destroyed a tool on the driver's side.
I don't know why anyone would even mess with the ball joints now that you can make your own "bushing press" tool for $35....

Haven't you already had more than $35 worth of wasted time and frustration, not to mention a broken tool?
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Originally Posted by supraru
We'll see how it lasts. I only removed the 19mm through the bushing, the 17 mm bolt, and the 14 mm on the swaybar endlinks so I could slide it out just enough to get the tool on.
the front sway bar endlink has a 17mm nut on it, not 14mm
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
I don't know why anyone would even mess with the ball joints now that you can make your own "bushing press" tool for $35....

Haven't you already had more than $35 worth of wasted time and frustration, not to mention a broken tool?
i saw your post about the homemade tool, do you have a pic of all the bolts and washers and sockets laid out? also what sizes would i need to press the other 2 bushings out of the control arm?
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^nvm i just re-read your post and understand it better now
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My new fix. They are blue, rather have a girlie color..

I'm getting these installed next week. Wish me luck. They look very strong.

Pics with the orig type. If they work out, my other half is going to start installing them for locals or maybe do core swaps.

What do you guys think?
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Originally Posted by paperboy42190
the front sway bar endlink has a 17mm nut on it, not 14mm
No there isn't it is a 14mm nut on the endlink. I should know since I just had it off. I see you have an 07, type-s so most likely yours is different. Bigger sway bar bigger endlinks i'd assume. I have an 04' tl. Thanks for telling me what size nut I took off....appreciate it.
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Originally Posted by 3GTLCHICK
I'm getting these installed next week. Wish me luck. They look very strong.

Pics with the orig type. If they work out, my other half is going to start installing them for locals or maybe do core swaps.

What do you guys think?
ohhhh you got the superpro.. how did you get them? i contacted all 3 dealers in USA and none of them would order for me
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...that balljoint removal press tool is easy to use..and free since you can rent. Aside from alignment an parts...this should be a $20 machine shop fee...
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Originally Posted by ArthurL
Believe it or not.. I had clunking noises that I thought came from the bushings but it actually came from the side engine mount. Check your side engine mount and make sure it's not broken.
I have changed 2 of these in the 4 years I have my car, all OEM replacements, they go pretty quickly and yes they cause a very noticeable clunk...
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
I don't know why anyone would even mess with the ball joints now that you can make your own "bushing press" tool for $35....

Haven't you already had more than $35 worth of wasted time and frustration, not to mention a broken tool?
Because I had a 12ton press in the garage, and would rather use it than pay for another one. The tool that was ruined was a rental, so I didn't have to pay for it.
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Originally Posted by paperboy42190
i saw your post about the homemade tool, do you have a pic of all the bolts and washers and sockets laid out? also what sizes would i need to press the other 2 bushings out of the control arm?
I don't know about the other 2 bushing sizes. They were fine on both sides for me. I kind of doubt that they need replacing on most cars.

As far as the tool, I assume you found the picture and the list I made for the parts?
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Originally Posted by supraru
No there isn't it is a 14mm nut on the endlink. I should know since I just had it off. I see you have an 07, type-s so most likely yours is different. Bigger sway bar bigger endlinks i'd assume. I have an 04' tl. Thanks for telling me what size nut I took off....appreciate it.
That might be it. But I know for a fact my 07 tl-s has a 17mm nut on the front sway bar end link. I guess Honda used diff size nuts for diff sway bars
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As far as the tool, I assume you found the picture and the list I made for the parts?
Yep
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Got it all back together! I could only work on it a little at a time, so I was stuck driving my old car for a few days. I cant tell if the TL handles and rides WAY better now, or if I got used to the way the old Mercedes drives.
Side note, thank you to the previous owner for writing the radio code and the nav code in the owners manual... I didn't notice that my trunk was popped for the whole time it sat in the garage. oops
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Originally Posted by paperboy42190
That might be it. But I know for a fact my 07 tl-s has a 17mm nut on the front sway bar end link. I guess Honda used diff size nuts for diff sway bars
Base Tl's get the little guys.
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Can anyone confirm the size difference in the TL and accord bushing. I have two accord bushings. According to my measurements, they should work....
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Originally Posted by Wacker
Can anyone confirm the size difference in the TL and accord bushing. I have two accord bushings. According to my measurements, they should work....
I believe the 2003-2007 Accord bushings measure the same as the TL: 74mm

That seems to be confirmed by the Schley tool specs:

http://www.amazon.com/Schley-SCH6810.../dp/B0079GQLO2
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Thanks!!

Hmm. I wonder why the different part number.....
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just to be difficult...first set of coils I bought (were damaged) came off a 03-05 Accord and fit just fine on the TL too...a LOT of similarities as a base for our cars. Pump that baby full of window weld and call it a day!
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Originally Posted by Wacker
Can anyone confirm the size difference in the TL and accord bushing. I have two accord bushings. According to my measurements, they should work....
They fit our suspension. I was there when they were measured. 2003 and up model. I was told they may be tuned differently; whatever that means.. I was going to have some installed but ended up with an aftermarket bushing kit that i should be installing anyday now.
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If the accords aren't complaining of the same problem, maybe Wacker getting the wrong part could be a blessing in disguise. And you'll be in the wife's good graces again!
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Originally Posted by Wacker
Thanks!!

Hmm. I wonder why the different part number.....
I believe this is your answer below:

Originally Posted by 3GTLCHICK
....I was told they may be tuned differently; whatever that means.. ...
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just to be difficult...first set of coils I bought (were damaged) came off a 03-05 Accord and fit just fine on the TL too...a LOT of similarities as a base for our cars. Pump that baby full of window weld and call it a day!
Yessir

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If the accords aren't complaining of the same problem, maybe Wacker getting the wrong part could be a blessing in disguise. And you'll be in the wife's good graces again!
We shall find out!

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I believe this is your answer below:
I am filling the voids of the bushing with urethane anyways so it is a moot issue.

I just left tractor supply with the 2 1/8" socket. Going to truck pro tomorrow to buy the bigger one. I have allthread at home that I will use in place of the bolts.

Very thrifty nfn.
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I may bite and go with these come payday, http://www.ebay.com/itm/181040889879...84.m1423.l2649 .........Reading up everything and these should fit
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....I just left tractor supply with the 2 1/8" socket. Going to truck pro tomorrow to buy the bigger one. I have allthread at home that I will use in place of the bolts.

Very thrifty nfn.
Gotta love TS!!! Post pics.

Hope the allthread will take the stress, dunno.
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Gotta love TS!!! Post pics.

Hope the allthread will take the stress, dunno.
Allthread invented stress!!! Lol. Ill find out soon enough. I've got years and years of nut/bolt accumulation if it fails, so I'm not to worried about it. Ill try to throw some pics up this weekend. Ill be very busy with multiple projects plus getting an allignment.
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multiple projects, you say?
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Well I received my sockets from Amazon on Monday and it looks like good news. The outside diameter of the Powerbuilt 2 1/8" socket I ordered is perfect. Hopefully the hole for the 3/4" drive doesn't give me any trouble. I got Grade 8 washers. I'm planning to do a 3x3 trans fluid change as well so I won't be getting to this until a week from this Sunday give or take. It should go like this: 1x3-drive car-change bushing-1x3-drive car-change other bushing-1x3-drive car-done. This way I will spend the time changing the bushing while the car is cooling down between flushes and I can get the whole 3x3 done in one day.

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multiple projects, you say?
Why yes....yes I did!!
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Pressing old out.

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Old Bushing.. Doesn't look too bad once its out, but it was split to hell.

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New accord bushing filled with window weld urethane.
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All pressed in...

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Next issue...

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Filled it with window weld also..

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Looks stock when done.

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Made a huge difference.
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Well I received my sockets from Amazon on Monday and it looks like good news. The outside diameter of the Powerbuilt 2 1/8" socket I ordered is perfect. Hopefully the hole for the 3/4" drive doesn't give me any trouble. I got Grade 8 washers.....
Good to know, maybe any 2 1/8" socket will work? I think you'll be ok with the 3/4" drive and washers. Only issue may be that you'll need a 10" bolt (9" if they make them in that size)... Or an allthread?

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Pressing old out.

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Nice!! That tool is priceless IMO. Beats the heck out of pulling the ball joint. No issues with the allthread? What diameter and length? Did you use high grade nuts?
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Wacker, you're awesome, dude. Thanks for sharing with us.
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Good to know, maybe any 2 1/8" socket will work? I think you'll be ok with the 3/4" drive and washers. Only issue may be that you'll need a 10" bolt (9" if they make them in that size)... Or an allthread?



Nice!! That tool is priceless IMO. Beats the heck out of pulling the ball joint. No issues with the allthread? What diameter and length? Did you use high grade nuts?
Actually, allthread broke right off the bat. Then I put a huge carriage bolt in that I had laying around. That broke too. Ended up getting the grade 5 hardware recommended. Get plenty of washers though. I got 4 and had to use more I had around the shop.
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Originally Posted by Wacker
Actually, allthread broke right off the bat. Then I put a huge carriage bolt in that I had laying around. That broke too. Ended up getting the grade 5 hardware recommended. Get plenty of washers though. I got 4 and had to use more I had around the shop.
Hehe, I figured it would. And yeah, no way a carriage bolt will handle that stress. Glad you got it working though

I bought 8 washers but only think I used 4 (2 on each end). Any more than that and I didn't have enough threads to start the nut (this was using an 8" bolt). What length bolt were you using?

Oh, and for those contemplating this tool, it's cheaper to buy the Grade 5 hardware from a store like Mac's that sells by the pound. And be sure you thread the nut on at least the width of the nut (e.g. the bolt end is flush with the nut) before you start. There is way too much pressure generated for only a few threads to support.

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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Good to know, maybe any 2 1/8" socket will work? I think you'll be ok with the 3/4" drive and washers. Only issue may be that you'll need a 10" bolt (9" if they make them in that size)... Or an allthread
I had a hard time finding the bolts actually. I went to Ace Hardware and just picked up both the 8" bolt and 10" (couldn't find 9") just incase I needed it since it's like 20 mins from me I didn't want to have to go back for just that. The 8" I'm not completely sure it's actually Grade 5 but the guy there said it was so I guess I will find out! The 10" is definitely Grade 5. I did grab 6 washers just in case. Really creative work in piecing this together. Thanks for the assist!

@Wacker, great pics! I'm hoping to do this on Sunday. Thanks.
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^^^^Grade 5 bolt marking

http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-in...ade-Chart.aspx

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