CJ0920

Wuts going on here, any more details on your build?

stillhere153

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well if we link the link wont work

JCharged

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correct. But I will post more pics. Just give me a little.

xoulu

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yay cant wait

CJ0920

Any word yet on your progress?

JCharged

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Well the build is currently awaiting funds and time. There are so much builds going on with the J-Series.

But I don't want to leave my AZine family hanging so here's what we got thus far. My good friend Paul is doing all the work. There was alot of research done and alot has improved since the last turbo setup.

This is a mockup for now until the real,deal holyfield engine gets here to do the testing next month.

All stainless 409

Reversed intake manifold


Rerouted Belt


Some fabbing not compete yet but equal length runs.


I'll update as soon as the project resumes.

04DCTL

ahhh skeet skeet

CJ0920

So where would the turbo be mounted in the engine bay or what not?

csmeance

my guess is where the current air-box sits, but that looks way to wide to fit properly. It looks like the pipes there need to be cut down a few inches...

xoulu

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OH SNAPS THIS IS TIGHT!!!! how much have you spent so far? if your able to tt, are you going to sell a kit?

JCharged

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Actually the turbine is sitting just over the frame rail on the pass side, battery relocation is a must. Using a tight radious rubber bend he can take the intake into the usual spot for CAI and route the output just inside the bay down and to the FMIC. Exhaust goes down the front and under like it normally would.

Well I'm not spending, this is not my project. A good friend of mine from Arizona is funding for all this. I'm not sure how much he spent but last year he bought a turbo kit from one of the members here and that turbo kit was crap. On top of that, the tuner blew up the engine and my buddy Paul decided to build a turbo kit from scratch after that mishap.

There is no talk about selling kits yet since we haven't even got done completing this one. Then it would have to be proven with dynos, tests, etc.

Also I'm not a vendor and would have to talk to the mods first before selling anything on here. Will keep update. I would love to see more TL's doing this type of stuff.

CJ0920

So what are the plans on tuning?

JCharged

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AEM FIC is what we plan to use. Still in the works.

CJ0920

I was just thinking, how bout getting a STS universal turbo kit? I knew a buddy when I had my superchaged GTO, had a STS turbo kit on his (rear mounted). It was basically a flange off the exhaust running to the turbo, and then a pipe back to the front mount and so on...A perfect place to mount the turbo would be where the mid muffler is...? Just my thoughts...

stillhere153

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^the sts I have on my radar no matter how much people discount it

Timeless

Why don't you just supercharge it with a 16lb pulley?

Looks good, I'm definitely following this build.

Acuraconvert

Two smaller turbos will spool up significantly faster than a single turbo will - A single bigger turbo always produces bigger numbers (It takes longer to spool the bigger turbo up due to the bigger impeller, more exhaust gas is needed).

722ish

You know? This is incorrect, completely. I don't mean to be rude, but the number of turbos really has more to do with the engineering of the whole system. There are 1400 hp single turbo supra's and there are 1400 hp twin turbo supras. The reason most people use a single is the I6 alignment. Installation is far more simple, a large single turbo is cheaper, as you only have to purchase 1 turbo, 1 set of oil lines, 1 intake, 1 intercooler pipe, 1 downpipe.... you get the idea. There is a 650hp triple T25 supra out there making 650 hp. When one turbo makes the setup much more simple, why bother with all the work.

There have been a few Z32's out there with a single turbo. It is ultimately ineffective as the plumbing is difficult... This is due to the chassis and placement, rather than the motor actually "liking" the configuration of the turbochargers.


Again, engine configuration in terms of positioning within the chassis is the determining factor usually due to packaging. Dual bank engines such as the J series in the TL will typically be easier to use a twins setup. In the case of the mockup kit posted above, a single was found to be the ideal setup. Too many variables to quantify single or twins or more as an ideal setup for anything. Another problem is conserving exhaust heat and energy. Having the turbocharger too far away from cylinder head ports or having incorrect combinations of turbocharger or turbochargers could create other problems.

722ish

This is also not necessarily true. Typically if two turbos carry the same flow limitations as a larger single one, the spoolup is not as you describe.

For example,

Assume one system contains two turbochargers with rough combined peak flow at 650hp

Another system is a larger single turbo with the same power potential at 650hp.

At the same power level on the same motor, both setups will react differently. Typically, the larger single will be less linear in buildup, and come on faster than twins of the same flow rating. The reason is that more energy is spent on two turbine wheels as opposed to just one. The linear spoolup of the twins will typically make driveability smoother and more tolerable, especially when power onset is found.

I am not saying there are no efficient twins setups, or that a single turbo is better for everyone, but assuming the same car uses one single or twins, the results i explain are fairly typical. Besides, 1 tubo simplifies the setups, as there are less parts involved.

CJ0920

Any updates?

jsacuratls

i think the only way you could make a turbo set up for a tl would to have the turbo at the back off the car or have the turbo come off the pre cat delets some how. the 03 accords can run turbo really eaisy b/c the acutaly have headers but since we the 04 to 08 tl's have pre cat delets now im sure their will be someone out their that will give it a shot. it cant be hard. eric already has a intercooler for his tl that is supercharged al you have to do is make maybea few adjustment to the piping to make it work.justin (hendrick honda)

greco9885

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my friend is the only authorized installer for STS turbo in NY(i think atleast) and he spoke with them about my type-s. he says it will definitely work just going to need ALOT of modifying. i think the STS kit would be the best kit because it is rear mounted(like someone said before). but i think its alittle cramped to run a pipe from the turbo to the TB.


info: http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_system

also, i agree if you do add a turbo, you shouldnt use it as a DD

also, a guy from MHP is willing to custom tune the car. but it will cost $$$$ and kinda risky. but MHP does an awesome job tuning MB's and BMW's

dr_brains510

^^^ how much gains would we be expecting?

erick3

all in all an interesting project...but 7k! yikes...dunno bout you guys, but that sure isn't pocket change...

HQTL6SPD

would be sick hearing that turbo just under your seat!

Timeless

Its not pocket change...but you're getting a hell of a lot of power for the money. I recall upgrades for any car averaging about $100 per HP. Us TL folks have gotten spoiled with j-pipes and pre-cats and other bolt ons making more power for the money.

If you've got the money to spend, a turbo kit would be well worth it and far superior to a supercharger. Compared to many other cars on the road, we're behind in tuning and overall modifications. Then again, not many people have really pushed the envelope to see what was possible with the 3rd gen TL.

greco9885

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very hard to say, i figure 10hp per pound of boost(is that right?)...but with a good tune there will be more horsepower.

it is expensive, but i doubt the type-s will ever see a s/c...i think this is much more of a possibility

I hate cars

I could not have said it better. Finally, a breath of fresh air..... someone who knows what they're talking about.

I hate cars

Forget about the STS kit on the TL. You will have lag, lag, and more lag. The turbo needs to be as close to the heads as possible for spool and maximum efficiency.

Larger engines such as the 5.7 and 6.0 can get away with it to a degree. The TL just doesn't have the displacement to spool a moderately sized turbo that's 6' downstream of the heads.

stillhere153

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4psi is the max you will safely run, will make some good power, but anything over 4psi... kabooom

I hate cars

This will be one of the nice things about the turbo kit. 4psi on 93 octane. For a weekend of fun on 100 octane, 6-8psi is the turn of a knob away.

I would like to stress that while the TL's internals aren't exactly the beefiest, I strongly believe with a real tune and no detonation, it will hold 400whp.

And I know everyone hates hearing about the GN but once again, I broke parts when I ran 13s as a 17 yr old with no clue on tuning yet today on mostly stock parts it's been somewhat reliable into the 10s with a good tune and lots of octane/methanol. Tuning is the key to making it live.

ludachrisvt

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dudes ... the kit is NOT the problem it is the tuning!

You could put your own kit together and do a custom manifold for WAY cheaper than this STS stuff.

04DCTL

yeah what ever happened to the wanderer on here who was going to try and get a tune? any word about that anyone

greco9885

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the kit is a problem...where are u gunna mount a turbo by the engine?

I hate cars

It's been done already.

A single over the trans or a twin hanging off of each head.

greco9885

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ohh...well thank you for correcting me

stillhere153

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for real the turbo isn't the problem

you can run a gt28 right where the stock battery is all day or even run a smaller battery and mount the turbo behind it, and as accuratein has shown running intercooler tubing is no biggie either there is room there

the problem is in fact the tuning....

the tsx recently got some love from hondata with the kpro now out, not long before you see a few other tsx's out here

hondata is the most cost effective and viable way of running our cars under boost

until j-pro comes out if ever rofl

ps. the aem f/ic and any other piggyback won't work in the long term they are all quick fixes

o4Komodo

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Didn't he remove the crash-bar or re-bar whatever it's called though to install the FMIC?

ludachrisvt

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yessir

jeffkinetictypes

has anyone seen the artisian twin turbo set up on the Lexus ISF, the use two small turbos remotely located back where the mufflers sit with charge and intercooler piping running to and from, its pretty crazy, and supposedly puttin around 600hp... http://www.lexusf.com/forums/showthread.php?t=718