anthracite_ftw

Also the oversized one looks way more badass.

rooster415

where you from ? what mods do you have by the way ?

rooster415

lmao imma buy the 10" one lols.

Inaccurate

This is Inaccurate and I endorse this message^.

Inaccurate

He lives just a few miles from me..... but (see below)

what am I, chopped liver?

rooster415

i know he meant to thank you too because if you didnt motivate me with swoosh i wouldnt of motivated him

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

Nelson am glad you liking it and so it justn....

am really happy about the diet....i spend the evening and lost a lot of weight....will post some pix on my thread tomorrow....too tired to post....after i was done, i just sat on my apt patio and cracked open couple cold ones and just chilled LOL....

but Inaccurate you should be proud of yourself....you have created an army here

rooster415

i think hes created a army also i told my friend with his accord about this diet didnt believe me . i showed him the video of innac and the camaro . and i offered him a ride this weekend to experience 1/3rd of the diet lols i think im around 300lbs off now

rooster415

hes planning to do it to his accord too lols

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ i would highly suggest you to keep track and a spreadsheet....loosing 250-300 pounds is not tough at all....now the fun begins as most mods are not 40lbs of weight loss they are more like 10lbs or less....

rooster415

yup! im actually using tims master list and highlighting all that i have removed !

Inaccurate

I been waiting for the army since 2009........ what took you so long

Below is the *actual* PM that I sent to the forum moderator on 07-22-2009. I had been trading PM's with the moderator because the moderators were debating closing my diet thread at that time. I had to plea with them (make a case) why my diet thread should be allowed to remain unlocked. This was before it was added to the official 3G Garage.



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From : Inaccurate
To : csmeance
Date : 2009-07-22 16:36
Title : Re: Weight Loss thread
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AJ,

In addition to having a warning on the first post, would it be wise to place the same warning on the current page (most current date) so that veteran readers will see it when reading the latest post ?

Thank you for being willing to spend your time to clean-up the thread. I do appreciate it !!!

Our 3G cars are getting older. I think that our 3G readers will be more inclined to pursue a TL Diet as their 3G ages. The TL Diet is risky, value wise, to perform on a car with a decent Blue Book value. However as the 3G ages and the Blue Book value drops to just a several thousand dollars, there will be considerable less risk involved in pursuing this form of performance mod in the future. The TL Diet is truly an AMAZING mod... just risky if the car has much value before-hand.

I see the TL Diet becoming more valuable to our readers as time goes forward and the car ages. I would be honored if the thread would someday become a Sticky thread. And having the current thread cleaned-up of many rude comments would help us to have a thread that might someday be worthy of a Sticky or added to the "3G TL Garage" section.

Thank you again aj !!!

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

^we couldnt have done it without you, mr. pioneer.

i've had to make plenty of those "pleas" in order to not get banned.

maharajamd

iTrader: (1)

I think it's great what you have done. Truly. I mean the time to do it has to be insane. Yet alone the time to put together such organized posts, answering tons of PMs, etc. That has to be a TON of work.

But I do have one caveat. You are like a rockstar here. An idol to some I'm sure. People look up to you and follow your lead. Blindly even. But what you just said there, in 2009, still doesn't work for me now, in 2012. Our cars aren't worth a few thousand blue book. I mean in 2009 '08s were one year old! Now they are four. Some still INSIDE possible Acura warranties even right?

Stripping off unnecessary weight from cars has been done for ages. I did it to my Prelude 12 years ago. People do it all the time to all kinds of vehicles.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there is a time and a place that truly demands taking such...drastic measures. Villa, for instance, I fully endorse his diet mods because his car is a track car. That's it's purpose. But I'm hesistant to endorse the diet for most people. 18 year olds coming on here that just bought types's, seeing this rock star and doing the same, and then devaluing their car. I'm sure that line of thinking is why that PM was made in the first place. And I'm sure a lot of the diet is able to be put right back on. And I'm pretty sure you have done a fantastic job putting disclaimers on your posts, etc.

I don't know really know what my point is. Lol

Maybe "Think, evaluate, and proceed with caution." to most TL owners.

Edit: And I say that with the utmost respect.

Edit 2: I guess another thing is...if you want that kind of performance or if you want to do that kind of "modding"...why buy a four door luxury/sport sedan? Why buy a car with nice deadening properties, nice electronics, just to rip them out? Why not throw a J in a EG? Or buy a cheap 6G Accord?

Inaccurate

^ I totally agree about the devaluing. I have mentioned on several occasions where appropriate, like in the introduction of the diet thread, that there is an associated cost with the diet. The cost to this "free" mod is devaluing the car... to the point that it can not be sold. I have always warned people of this when they had voiced inclinations of doing a diet. My first question was always "do you plan to keep this car until it dies and not intend to sell it?".

BTW - According to Edmunds, a 2004 TL is worth $6,725 trade-in value.

maharajamd

iTrader: (1)

I know man. I didn't know how to convey what I wanted to say without it coming off 'assholish'. That's wasn't my intention at all. Lol

As for the price I meant 3Gs in general. But...

My car is practically mint and has 80k.



Edit: Still less then half of what I paid for it. >:|

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

well, anytime you mod a car, you do have to think about the pros and cons.
While the full diet isnt for everyone, removing what you can still helps A LOT!

Sorry Rooster for the thread jack!

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

in all honestly, if you think you are gonna sell your car at a later date, do a partial diet loosing like 200-300 lbs and keep everything handy....you feel you wanna sell your car then put everything back and call it a day !!!

a lot of people do mods on cars they lease....heck this is your car LOL

maharajamd

iTrader: (1)

No doubt. If I didn't have passengers on the way up to the track tomorrow I would pull my rear seats and everything in the trunk for sure.

And I didn't mean to derail here...just posting to Inacc's PM post.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

you didnt derail Chad....I bet Nelson wudnt mind

rooster415

lol

rooster415

dont mind at all ! i thought about the value of my car. i bought it for 12k with 78k. i plan on driving it till the engine goes or if i get wrecked so value of the car doesnt really mean much .

rooster415

you never asked me !

rooster415

ITEMIZED LIST OF WEIGHT REDUCTION
--------------------------------------------------
84.0 Racing seats and racing restraint system (see Warning #3 below) (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . )
44.0 Reduced fuel (buy just 3.0 gallons at a time) (more info . 1 . 2 . )
40.0 Rims (more info)
36.0 Rear seat delete (more info . 1 . 2 . )
34.0 Spare tire delete (more info)
31.0 Sunroof delete (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . )
31.0 Interior trim & misc pieces (more info)
27.5 Braille battery (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . 6 . 7 . 8 . 9 . )
24.0 Interior carpet (more info . 1 . 2 . )
23.7 Single Exhaust System (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . )
23.0 Trunk panels (more info)
22.0 Lightweight tires (more info)
18.0 Front door interior panels (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . )
18.0 Firewall Insulation (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . )
17.5 Parking brake and lever (see Warning #1 below) (more info . 1 . 2 . )
17.0 Front bumper (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . )
16.0 Rear bumper (see Front Bumper for more info)
14.0 Rear door interior panels (more info . 1 . 2 . )
14.0 RV6 Precat delete (incl race pipe & misc brackets) (more info)
13.0 Radio delete (more info)
13.0 Personal weight loss attributed to this project (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . )
12.0 Shaved tires (more info . 1 . 2 . )
12.0 Center console (more info)
10.9 RacingBrake Two-piece rotors (more info)
10.0 Front seat kick panels (more info . 1 . 2 . )
10.3 BC Racing Coilovers (more info)
9.9 Evap charcoal canister (see Warning #4 below) (more info)
9.0 Side curtain airbags (see Warning #2 below) (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . )
8.5 Mid muffler delete (more info)
8.5 Seatbelts for rear seat (more info)
8.0 CAI (more info)
7.5 Front damper (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . 6 . )
7.0 UR crank pulley (more info)
6.5 Floor mats (more info)
6.0 Engine bay panels (more info . 1 . 2 . )
6.0 Rear seat arm rest (more info)
5.5 Subwoofer speaker (more info)
5.5 Ground effect panels (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . )
5.5 Rear deck (more info)
5.5 Center console armrest (more info)
5.0 Headliner (more info . 1 . 2 . )
4.5 XLR8 J-Pipe (incls removing misc brackets) (more info)
4.3 Shark Mouth grill (incl removed lower duct obstruction) (more info)
4.0 Reduced wiper fluid (use 1 pint at a time)
3.7 Rear seat insulation (more info)
3.7 Rear speakers (more info)
3.5 Engine cradle damper (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . 6 . 7 . )
3.5 Small airbags in front seats (see Warning #2 below) (more info)
3.5 Windshield washer reservoir (incl pint of water) (more info)
3.4 Glovebox delete (more info)
3.0 Megan pipe replacing oem 3rd cat (more info)
2.6 Cowl plastic panels (more info)
2.5 Glovebox plate (more info . 1 . 2 . )
2.5 Innovative engine mounts (more info)
2.4 Owner manual (more info)
2.0 Roof console (more info)
2.0 Grab handles (more info)
2.0 Removed 12V air pump (more info)
1.9 Rear diffuser plastic panel (more info . 1 . 2 . )
1.8 Hood insulation (more info . 1 . 2 . )
1.8 Exterior Roof Molding (more info . 1 . 2 . 3 . )
1.8 EGR Delete (more info)
1.5 Trunk damper (more info)
1.5 Splash guards for front brake rotors (more info)
1.4 Kick panels under front dash (more info)
1.4 Footrest (more info)
1.2 Xm radio receiver (more info)
1.2 Airbag brackets & radio antenna booster (more info)
1.2 Trunk panel over latch (more info)
1.0 Exhaust heat shield (more info)
1.0 Rear Door Hook Pin and Catch (more info . 1 . 2 . )
0.6 Plastic trim around tail pipes (more info)
0.5 Coin holder & sunglass holders
0.5 Xm antenna (more info)
------------------------------------------------------------
793.2 Lbs TOTAL

so far that i have done !
44 reduced fuel
36 rear seat
34 spare tire
31 interior pces
23 trunk panels
17 front bumper
16 rear bumper
14 rear door panels
14 rv6 pcds
8.5 mid muffler
8.5 rear seat belts
8.0 cai
7.5 front damper
6.5 floor mat
6 engine bay panels
6 rear seat arm rest
5.5 subwoofer speaker
5.5 rear deck
4.5 jpipe
4.0 no water at all in winshield lol
3.7 rear seat insulation
3.7 rear speakers
3.0 no 3rd cat
2.6 cowl plastic panels
2.4 owner manual
2.0 no airpump
1.9 rear diffuser panel
1.8 hood insulation
1.5 trunk damper
1.5 splash guards
1. exhaust heat shield
15 lbs NO mufflers

if im not calculating wrong its 345 lbs

still a ton more to go as im finding more more to remove

wondering how much the regulators weigh in the rear doors coming out this weekend.

r3devi7

iTrader: (2)

Speaking of value, I just found an 6mt TLS 10 hours away from me. Will see tomorrow what the stealership offers for my 04 base, and go from there lol

If its crap, im going to start collecting parts to swap to mt, 'cause its lighter!

Inaccurate

Hey.. wait a minute.. you can't remove anything that I haven't remove yet.

What are the plans to hold the glass in place? Just curious.

rooster415

something that i thought of pmed you

rooster415

forgot to mention i had oem visors and rear trunk spoiler also that i removed. whatever those weigh . now i look totally stock except i have typs s bumper and lip rear and front and type s head lights. hmm i think on my way to dyno in 2 weeks im going to go on a weigh station lols

maharajamd

iTrader: (1)

Going to put those visors on the BM?

rooster415

i think your going to be mad if you see this but i threw them away i accidently got thinner on 2 of them and i couldnt polish it out so i tossed them xD

rooster415

plans this saturday and sunday
1 change transmission oil to gm synchromesh fluid or however you spell it.
2 attempt to remove rear window regulators and use what i spoke to tim about to hold up the windows will reveal if it works lmao might fail
3 remove front door panels hope the wifey doesnt notice
4 lift the car to remove remaining pieces . still ahve some plastic left i didnt remove yet.
5. rotate tires maybe?
6 remove head liner ( wife is going to fking kill me ) .
7 probably remove the plastic pieces that go around the seatbelts and the plastics along the front of the car. (told the wife i wouldnt remove but the diet has me loosing more weight than i want and im loving it )

rooster415

TIM AND SWOOSH i honestly think after this weekend once i remove the things from my list above that my wife would probably kill you guys if she knew you guys lols

rooster415

oh yeah! made an appointment on 5/19/12 for dyno hope they dont bail on me lols. anyone want to guess numbers?

rooster415

i think that i will be spending a bit of money on dynos since i want to see the gains from each mod i do from now on. i wish i can dyno the diet

Inaccurate

You might have it backwards. The wife *will* notice and *hate* the front door panel delete. Whereas, she will probably be less upset about the headliner delete.

There is a big increase in road noise with the panels removed. A lot more road noise... to the point where she will probably be scared. I say this because I was a bit scared by the new found rawness from the loud road noise.

I recommend to *not* rotate tires. I never rotate my tires. It is more expense because you can't "spread out" the wear pattern. The reason that I don't rotate is because I feel that the front tires develop weak sidewalls from the lateral beating that they take from steering inputs. If you put those on the back, you will have a loosey goosey rear end due to the wobbly sidewalls. It just depends how sensitive a person is to small details. But, the diet is all about enjoyjng the nimbleness. The wobbly sidewalls on the rear tires will detract from this enjoyment. Carried to an extreme, this is why I love shaved tires. Shaved tires + stiff coilovers + radical diet = dude.. words can not even begin to describe it.



Yes sir. This was always and is the driving force behind my diet project. you phrased it very well.




If you carefully keep track of your weight losses, it is fairly accurate to "dyno" the results from the weight lose. I do this in all of my diet updates. I show how much equivalent HP that I have gained with that update.

rooster415

i have lost i think i calculated 345 lbs how much is that equivalent to ?.

rooster415

then i guess rotating tires will be out of the pic lols

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ you will not see any weight loss on the dyno !!! you will only see that on the track....

what performance mods you have ??? and you have a 04 6MT right ?

Inaccurate

2006 6MT = 3483

I know 2004 ... but I have the 2006 specs at my finger tips.

3483 Lbs - 345 Lbs = 3138 Lbs

3483 Lbs / 3138 Lbs = 1.10994 Factor

Assuming 250 WHP, then

250 WHP x 1.10994 Factor = 277.5 WHP

277.5 WHP - 250 WHP = 27.5 WHP Increase

But, please remember that this is misleading because you gained everywhere in the powerband, not just peak hp like most engine mods. A fair comparision might be something like a 29 whp increase.

Rule of thumb is 100 lbs is 0.1 second quicker in 1/4 mile. And, 10 HP is 0.1 second quicker.

So by weight, you are approx 0.3 sec quicker in 1/4 mile.

Or by equivalent hp increase, you are 0.3 sec quicker.

So, it jives either way.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ fark....his starting point 3463 is 200 lbs less than mine