gwiffer

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What have you done to the auto tranny to hold that torque?

libert69

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^new 3rd and 4th pressure switches 30k miles ago and amsoil type f fluid

xxfallacyxx

Finding this thread was the highlight of my day. I've spoken with TLDREAM a few times on a few forums and am in the planning and purchasing stages of putting a J32A2 into my '99 Prelude. The ECU has been somewhat of a concern for me, considering the ECUs from a '03 CL-S 6spd run over $400, and 6spd '04 TL ECU is considerably cheaper...

Basically, is there a confirm-able list of ECUs that this can be used with? I've read through the thread and saw posts about 2G TL/CL ECUs, and '06-'08 TL ECUs, but what about say the '04 and '05 TL ECUs? Thanks for replies!

KN_TL

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I stand corrected. I heard from Rodney and that's what he's working on now with his tuner. Using the stock sensor with an optional amplifier connected to the MS will be similar to the J&S.

He kept telling me to hold off on purchasing a knock device, I am glad I waited.

jnc2000

My only hope is that this will port over to the 4th Gen ECUs

The 3.7 would make a hellova project. Considering CT-E put a MP62 and only managed 75whp increase with their exhaust, and intake. I'd love to have something on 4G side.

Sonnick

I was gonna stay away from this ECU. However, I've decided to try and save. If I save for 6 months, it would not be of much concern If this can really extract ~20ish whp/tq from the J motor, and help smooth the powerband all over, then I'm gonna try to get in on it. With this and the possible addition of TL-s cams when my timing belt is up, I can see my lil 3.0 making 280/240.

anx1300c

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Why go TL-S cams? You'll see way more gains with Bisimoto.

Splke

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You my friend, just made my day.

xxfallacyxx

Seeing as it's going to be a popular question ("where can I get mine?!")

LINK

That's the direct link to the product page.

Slightly off topic but pertaining to the J32 engine (and me getting it running after swap, and then getting this product) is there any differences sensor-wise between the J32A2 from a 01-03 CL Type-S that would cause an '04 TL ECU to throw a hissy fit?

Inaccurate

Rodney,

With this programmable ecu, will the check engine light (cel) be on?

When it comes time for an state inspection, will the inspection station be able to communicate via the OBD2 port?

Will there be any "Not Ready" or "Pending" codes (as a result of having this programmable ecu) that would cause the car to fail a state inspection?

With this programmable ecu, can the EVAP System or EGR (as examples) be disconnected without the oem ecu producing a code or cel?

TLdream

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You will be able to use the ecu the pre 04 motors, however the sensors are different therefore the programming will be different for those motors.

xxfallacyxx

I didn't expect the stand-alone to be bothered much by the different sensors... So the bottom line though in an installation is that a 3G TL 3.2L ECU would whine and complain about the sensor differences between the J32A2 and the J32A3 eh? Was hoping to use the 3G ECU by itself with a 2nd gen CL-S J32A2 until I can get the stand-alone unit at a later date.

Sonnick

Idk, the Bisi cams are more than double the price. Plus, I may need to get valvetrain and that's just a much bigger expense.

I'm actually pretty against doing the TL-s cams because no one seems to know the specs on my stock cams. But, apparently a few who have done it said they felt good gains. One claimed to gain 35whp from the TL-s cams along with a bump to 11:1 compression. We are 10:1 stock, unlike the TL. He had the "J33," but was auto.

xxfallacyxx

If you were wondering the difference for the cams, it should be detailed in the FSM (if you guys have access to those). Helps in the Prelude world heh...

Sonnick

What do you mean FSM?

Anxiously awaiting results on the TL Type S with PCDs installed!

Did you guys adjust the VTEC point at all? From the dynos (if I remember correctly), it looks like it's still at the stock setting. I know that the SI's get a huge jump in torque by changing the VTEC point.

xxfallacyxx

Flying Spaghetti Monster

JK, FSM = factory service manual. I know for a lot of Hondas it is by Helms.

It does appear there is one for the 2004 TL available at: http://www.spoonertuner.com/manuals

There are also a few generations of Accord, but none appear to be for the J series V6 Accord.

bmeyer

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I'd like to know this as well. Also, if the new ECU will be able to trigger a CEL on its own, say, if an O2 sensor went bad (or any other sensor for that matter.).

KN_TL

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I had emailed him about this and he was going to respond. I'll poke him again.

I did hear that he's booked to head back to kikazz's install with the knock solution. It'll be released if all goes well.

pass427

Yes the cel will be on if there's any sensor disconnected as with our last tune we took the egr valve off the cel did come on , will the ecu be able to turn the cel of at this point no it won't .....


Yes you will be still able to plug up to the obd port and receive info as the stock ecu is still in place , and remember the ecu is plug and play so you will be able to plug in back the stock ecu if you need to do so ...depending on your mods you should be able to pass inspection.

The ecu will pick up that there's not an egr connected ,at this point turning of the cel we haven't gotten there yet....

pass427

The new ecu itself does not have a cell light but if a sensor was to go bad you would be able to tell ex if an o2 went you'd know thru wideband or from laptop ,if cam sensor or crank sensor went bad car will not start and upon plugging in laptop this soul let you know also as well as an injector or coil pack ,...

phee

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so in summary, stock CEL functionality will remain as usual and the aftermarket ECU will not send its own CEL to the vehicles cluster but does have the ability to specify when a sensor is bad once plugged into a computer.

pass427

Phee I should have you to post couldn't have summed it up any better ,and the dattalogging will be very useful as the new ecu. Has a SD card slot for dattalogging or the mega view datalogging software which logs the sensors been controlled by new ecu ..

pass427

If there's more detailed info needed on functions and how it works ill gladly post it up along with all its functions and capability and how its used or what its used for the new ecu .....

This ecu will work for 2g also phee is willing to come down for testing and install but will need to generate a few more interest , or possibly a group buy list ..

This ecu can be used independently also without the help of the stock ecu in place ,as wve come across a few people who is not concerned with luxury functions or emissions ...

Final tuning is set for 15th on kikazz car which has te e u and knock control installed...

xxfallacyxx

Awesome stuff! Also awesome to hear that the standalone doesn't need the OE ECU, as I'd be dropping mine into my 5th gen Prelude.

Now I'm curious in one of the "features" of the ECU, and that's the supposed automatic tuning feature detailed on page 1. Has anyone played around with this yet? lol

pass427

No we did not alter vtec point ,eventually we will or I'm sure when the ecu gets released there will be a lot people doing so but we do the ability to adjust it if he have to ...

pass427

The ecu can be run in conjunction with another unit for trans control ,we have not tried to control the trans ,I'm sure we will get around to it soon ....

pass427

we can make it happen not an issue ,we would need a test car to start with and cost of ecu and software if needed ,turn around time would be a week two most .....

av2600

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when can we buy, and what is the cost?

bmeyer

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It's been posted on nearly every page in this thread. Do us a favor and take 3 minutes to look back through the pages.

Sonnick

20-25whp/tq without changing the VTEC point...that's serious business. I don't know for sure that changing the VTEC point will allow more tunability/power, but I want to say I'm 99.9% sure it will because every other Honda has seen benefit from a lower VTEC point. Not only that, but Honda didn't implement the crossover point in the Accord/TL for performance purposes either...

xxfallacyxx

What bmeyer said is correct, as there is literally a direct link to the product page on this very page of the thread.

If you hadn't already found it after your post, it is

LINK

and is also located in one of my posts above.

Forcefed 3

Are there any logs with this ECU that display Ignition Advance? Preferably naturally aspirated.

Hi speed

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Are you asking to see the ignition advance table from a tune? The stock ECU changes timing all the time based on load, temp, octane and other inputs. I'm not sure if the Jandr unit just adds timing on top of the stock units set level or if you tune to knock by rpm and load based on octane.

pass427

Not sure how to try to explain that the new ecu has. its own functions ,meaning you build your own timing map as desired so forget about what the stock ecu has , this ecu is a standalone we use the stock ecu to control idle functions which allows usage of all luxury functions ,

Here are some things you can control (Items are hyperlinked) Idle Valves Second O2 input Constant Barometric Correction Knock Control MS2-Extra Pin Usage Launch Control Switched Maps NOS Control Programmable Outputs Tacho Input/Ignition Settings More Ignition Options Tacho Output Cold Ignition Advance MAT Based Timing Retard Engine and Sequential settings Idle Control MAP sampling Staged Injection Boost Control Idle Advance AFR Safety System Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Generic PWMs Generic Sensor Inputs SD card datalogging Launch / flat-shift / 2-step / 3-step Speed and Gear sensors CAN communications This also means that the tuning can be performed using MS compatible software. The current software being used is TunerStudio. It can be downloaded for free and also has a register option. More information is available here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ One HUGE feature is VE Analyze Live. Read about it here: http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/#veAnalyze Some questions and answers sofar: Q. Will the stock ECU be retained ? A. Yes, this insures that all factory features are not lost Q. If the factory ECU is still in place, are you simply intercepting the signals? A. No, the FACTORY ECU has no control over engine parameters. Q. Will this be a Plug and Play install or do I need to custom wire? A. This solution will be Plug and Play with a pre-wired harness included. Q. Are Base Maps Included? A. Base maps will be available basedon the application. Q. What is VE Analyzer ? A. A tuning tool that tunes while you drive! See http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/ #veAnalyze for more information. Q. Is drive by wire retained? A. Yes along with all other luxury features handled by the stock ECU.

pass427

Tried to copy and paste first post came out all jumbled ill repost up later as a lot of people isn't understanding the functions of new ecu or what it is capable of ..

Forcefed 3

Right, I am not worried about the stock ECU. I just wanted to see some logs of people using Jandr ECU. Obviously its very new, but someone should have a log that displays ignition advance. "Base maps will be available based on the application" I am just trying to see what it looks like when you use base maps. Long story short, I want to see how the ignition advance looks to determine if something I have in mind might be beneficial.

KN_TL

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I'm pretty sure kikazz and Rodney himself are the only ones with it at the moment.

Bmeyer and myself should be getting ours very soon.

Forcefed 3

Awesome! Post some logs if you get a chance!

bmeyer

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Actually, I'd rather let Rodney respond with the logs and/or timing tables if he sees fit. He's invested a lot of time and money in getting these base maps created. I'd rather not undermine any of his efforts by posting that sort of information.

KN_TL

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I wasn't going to post anything except some screenshots of logging that I could capture. Just to show it can be done.

I agree with you. Rodney has gone above and beyond for this community and we should respect the work he has done by supporting his products by purchasing, not pirating.