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07-17-2011, 04:35 PM
#282
Instructor
Is there a possibility of adding base maps for the Comptech S/C? I know you make a competing (better) item, but if I could just get the thing installed and not worry about tuning, it would certainly make the purchase decision much easier for me. I'm really just looking to smooth out the surging from the S/C. Its annoying, but not $400 or w/e it costs to get tuned annoying...
07-17-2011, 06:22 PM
#283
Is there a possibility of adding base maps for the Comptech S/C? I know you make a competing (better) item, but if I could just get the thing installed and not worry about tuning, it would certainly make the purchase decision much easier for me. I'm really just looking to smooth out the surging from the S/C. Its annoying, but not $400 or w/e it costs to get tuned annoying...
just because there is a basemap does not mean you wont need a tune. A basemap is there to work the bugs/leaks out of your setup so you can make it to the tuner/dyno.
07-17-2011, 06:26 PM
#284
He would need to have a SC to make the base maps. You will have to have the car tuned to take advantage of the parts combination you have. All of us have had to get the car tuned for our set up,locally available gas octane and a variety of other factors. You might be better off running the AEM Fic.
07-18-2011, 03:12 AM
#288
Instructor
Makes sense. I just called around and most tuners were reluctant to bother tuning my car even after I described the item, etc. So it would be rather useless for me. Thanks for the clarification. My brother has a STi that he modified and he had a bitch of a time getting it tuned/running correctly. I guess I will continue to deal with the S/C surging. Phew $1400 saved.
07-18-2011, 07:49 AM
#289
I'm planning on logging all the time in the beginning once I get my computer installed.
Last edited by KN_TL; 07-18-2011 at 07:58 AM.
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veggiemonster (07-18-2011)
07-18-2011, 10:13 AM
#292
07-18-2011, 10:25 AM
#293
^ I'm not sure if I have the Honda or universal unit. I got it as part of a kit with my turbo and there isn't a part number on it.
Edit: It's the universal unit. I don't have an onboard boost control.
Edit: It's the universal unit. I don't have an onboard boost control.
Last edited by KN_TL; 07-18-2011 at 10:28 AM.
07-20-2011, 04:00 PM
#300
All motor
07-27-2011, 05:29 PM
#303
In all likelihood, with the mods you have listed in your signature, the AEM F/IC would have worked just fine for you (provided you have the O2 sensors tapped for proper closed-loop fuel correction). It's the guys that have heavily modified engines/setups that need the capabilities of the MS3 ECU.
07-29-2011, 03:12 PM
#304
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In all likelihood, with the mods you have listed in your signature, the AEM F/IC would have worked just fine for you (provided you have the O2 sensors tapped for proper closed-loop fuel correction). It's the guys that have heavily modified engines/setups that need the capabilities of the MS3 ECU.
"AEM F/IC (provided you have the O2 sensors tapped for proper closed-loop fuel correction)"
08-05-2011, 02:29 AM
#306
Burning Brakes
No its not the knock units we had to out source which came from Canada which I just received two units in and beymer and kn originally paid in full along with hi- speed to help.fund the project which turned out to.be successful because of there initial payment , in January we were still in working progress on ecu s ,we've completed all our testing and kn already received his beymer and hi speed will be getting there's next.......
08-06-2011, 11:05 PM
#307
No its not the knock units we had to out source which came from Canada which I just received two units in and beymer and kn originally paid in full along with hi- speed to help.fund the project which turned out to.be successful because of there initial payment , in January we were still in working progress on ecu s ,we've completed all our testing and kn already received his beymer and hi speed will be getting there's next.......
08-16-2011, 09:28 AM
#311
I'm thinking resource and time are the problem here.
Based on Ron A's. post, we may see less of Rodney unless he signs up as a vendor. I'm not sure what Rodney's financial position is on this but it could be the end of information of his work here.
I can understand both positions.
Based on Ron A's. post, we may see less of Rodney unless he signs up as a vendor. I'm not sure what Rodney's financial position is on this but it could be the end of information of his work here.
I can understand both positions.
08-16-2011, 07:09 PM
#314
I'm thinking resource and time are the problem here.
Based on Ron A's. post, we may see less of Rodney unless he signs up as a vendor. I'm not sure what Rodney's financial position is on this but it could be the end of information of his work here.
I can understand both positions.
Based on Ron A's. post, we may see less of Rodney unless he signs up as a vendor. I'm not sure what Rodney's financial position is on this but it could be the end of information of his work here.
I can understand both positions.
Either I gotta buy my ECU now before Rodney gets frustrated with the whole J series scene or there's gotta be a compromise.
To be honest though, if the ECU price were dropped to $800-1000 I really think it'd sell more, because that's the range of 'gotta have it' when it comes to tuning, just look at AEM EMS, Flashpro, Cobb etc. There is a huge demand for a competent, fully featured tuning solution for J series and if that's what he's got, it should sell extremely well.
I've personally been calling it 'J-Pro' for a while now and if that's the level it's on, it's going to be THE go-to tuner for J series on a global scale. But the pricing is the one thing that will truly determine the level of adoption on something like this. Basic economics shows that it's better (and more likely) to sell 3 units at $7-800/each than to sell one at $1400.
08-16-2011, 08:35 PM
#315
I don't think he'll throw in the towel, but this community won't allow him to contribute or allow him to gain any information from these forums.
I think what is driving the cost up is the fact that they are being shipped with the tune already loaded. He set me up with a tune that was performed on a nearly identical platform and the difference compared to the F/IC was amazing. I suggested he offer the ECU and harness without the tune but even with that, there is a level of assembly that needs to happen. If I lived in Florida, I would gladly help him out.
The other issue is that his tuner either has his own race team or is part of a race team. This is that season so he is away for a good portion of the week.
I think what is driving the cost up is the fact that they are being shipped with the tune already loaded. He set me up with a tune that was performed on a nearly identical platform and the difference compared to the F/IC was amazing. I suggested he offer the ECU and harness without the tune but even with that, there is a level of assembly that needs to happen. If I lived in Florida, I would gladly help him out.
The other issue is that his tuner either has his own race team or is part of a race team. This is that season so he is away for a good portion of the week.
08-17-2011, 01:47 AM
#316
I don't think he'll throw in the towel, but this community won't allow him to contribute or allow him to gain any information from these forums.
I think what is driving the cost up is the fact that they are being shipped with the tune already loaded. He set me up with a tune that was performed on a nearly identical platform and the difference compared to the F/IC was amazing. I suggested he offer the ECU and harness without the tune but even with that, there is a level of assembly that needs to happen. If I lived in Florida, I would gladly help him out.
The other issue is that his tuner either has his own race team or is part of a race team. This is that season so he is away for a good portion of the week.
I think what is driving the cost up is the fact that they are being shipped with the tune already loaded. He set me up with a tune that was performed on a nearly identical platform and the difference compared to the F/IC was amazing. I suggested he offer the ECU and harness without the tune but even with that, there is a level of assembly that needs to happen. If I lived in Florida, I would gladly help him out.
The other issue is that his tuner either has his own race team or is part of a race team. This is that season so he is away for a good portion of the week.
Mr. Rodney should just make a base map tune, much like Hondata/AEM/etc do so that the car is similar to stock and can be driven to a tuner for a real dyno tune. Anyone not dyno or custom tuning this ECU is missing the point entirely.
I realize that the PCB and the housing of the ECU in addition to the harness probably need to be made by hand I think if production is slowed because of that, Rodney should try to get some external outsourced help to build them.
My friend (a gifted, high level electrical engineer who has worked for NASA JPL) and I could put together the ECU's and harnesses no problem given the necessary materials, and I definitely wouldn't mind lending a hand if it meant that this ECU/tuner gets put out there faster and popularized that much quicker.
Something as awesome as this deserves huge recognition and I have no doubt that the J series tuning community will jump on it ASAP once it's available in quantity, given correct pricing.
Maybe I should call up JnR...
08-17-2011, 07:22 AM
#318
Not sure 100% what your first sentence means, I'll PM you for clarification.
Mr. Rodney should just make a base map tune, much like Hondata/AEM/etc do so that the car is similar to stock and can be driven to a tuner for a real dyno tune. Anyone not dyno or custom tuning this ECU is missing the point entirely.
I realize that the PCB and the housing of the ECU in addition to the harness probably need to be made by hand I think if production is slowed because of that, Rodney should try to get some external outsourced help to build them.
My friend (a gifted, high level electrical engineer who has worked for NASA JPL) and I could put together the ECU's and harnesses no problem given the necessary materials, and I definitely wouldn't mind lending a hand if it meant that this ECU/tuner gets put out there faster and popularized that much quicker.
Something as awesome as this deserves huge recognition and I have no doubt that the J series tuning community will jump on it ASAP once it's available in quantity, given correct pricing.
Maybe I should call up JnR...
Mr. Rodney should just make a base map tune, much like Hondata/AEM/etc do so that the car is similar to stock and can be driven to a tuner for a real dyno tune. Anyone not dyno or custom tuning this ECU is missing the point entirely.
I realize that the PCB and the housing of the ECU in addition to the harness probably need to be made by hand I think if production is slowed because of that, Rodney should try to get some external outsourced help to build them.
My friend (a gifted, high level electrical engineer who has worked for NASA JPL) and I could put together the ECU's and harnesses no problem given the necessary materials, and I definitely wouldn't mind lending a hand if it meant that this ECU/tuner gets put out there faster and popularized that much quicker.
Something as awesome as this deserves huge recognition and I have no doubt that the J series tuning community will jump on it ASAP once it's available in quantity, given correct pricing.
Maybe I should call up JnR...
No one but Rodney knows what is going on at this point. I have also offered my services for free but he only knows me as a customer and I respect that.
It is frustrating as bmeyer is living that out right now, but as I said before, he has never delivered anything short of what is expected. I do think he could benefit by having another person but again, that is his choice.
08-17-2011, 09:27 PM
#319
I understand the desire of the forum owners to extract as much as possable from those looking to do business in this forum ( it what allows the rest of use to use it free) but without hi volume sales being a vendor may be a losing game. Trust in an important part of starting great things. When Paypal called me and said have you received you purchase yet and we highly recommend you file a dispute to get your money back I declined. Good things take time and if Rodney takes my $6000 and runs, so be it ( I'd be pissed and would be contacting my law enforcement collegues in Florida ) but its not taking food off my table or sending me into financial distress. He spent countless hrs on the phone with my tuner to get everything right and delevered at superior product at a good price.
I provide my years of experience in this platform and others for free and without a fee.
Those who are waiting to let someone else try it out first to see how it ends are only hurting progress. If rodney leaves I'm going to want 3x the price for my turbo kit or ECU for the exclusivity. I DD my turbo car and the power feels like Acura intended this to be a 410+ WHP car. The tires hook, the power is seamless and the engine is still healthy. To run a car with this kind of power, luxury and exclusivity to me is worth the risk. Rodney has done nothing but come thru in my opinion. ( slow at times but the guy has a full tme job outside of his 3G performance start up)
So in all honesty if you have a fully bolted or less modified car the $1400 ECU is not for you. But if you love this Platform and want to have the best of both worlds ( power, luxury, look and dependability) start buying his offerings. To those who say $1400 is too much, this isnt a civic, this is a 35-40k luxury car with the reliability of and Honda and the performance of a supercar. ( yes 450-600+ WHP in full boost will smoke anything in sight for the price point.). Before his unfortunate event struck our 600+ WHP member was looking for Lamborghini's to give him some real competition. Racing a $200k+ exotic in a 4 seated Acura.
So the gist of my post is, please support the man who created the 3G
turbo TL when so many others fell short and did it at a very reasonable price. ( m3 turbo kits start at 15-25k, more than many 2nd owners paid for their car). And for those who think it's too risky to buy his offering, moding cars is an investment in driving experience not in financial gain. Cars are rarely an smart investment, but I try to drive the best I can. I DD mine car 60+ miles a day on a race gas mix ( $7.50 a gal for 100 octane plus my crappy 91) while having a 40 mpg corolla I could be driving.
I provide my years of experience in this platform and others for free and without a fee.
Those who are waiting to let someone else try it out first to see how it ends are only hurting progress. If rodney leaves I'm going to want 3x the price for my turbo kit or ECU for the exclusivity. I DD my turbo car and the power feels like Acura intended this to be a 410+ WHP car. The tires hook, the power is seamless and the engine is still healthy. To run a car with this kind of power, luxury and exclusivity to me is worth the risk. Rodney has done nothing but come thru in my opinion. ( slow at times but the guy has a full tme job outside of his 3G performance start up)
So in all honesty if you have a fully bolted or less modified car the $1400 ECU is not for you. But if you love this Platform and want to have the best of both worlds ( power, luxury, look and dependability) start buying his offerings. To those who say $1400 is too much, this isnt a civic, this is a 35-40k luxury car with the reliability of and Honda and the performance of a supercar. ( yes 450-600+ WHP in full boost will smoke anything in sight for the price point.). Before his unfortunate event struck our 600+ WHP member was looking for Lamborghini's to give him some real competition. Racing a $200k+ exotic in a 4 seated Acura.
So the gist of my post is, please support the man who created the 3G
turbo TL when so many others fell short and did it at a very reasonable price. ( m3 turbo kits start at 15-25k, more than many 2nd owners paid for their car). And for those who think it's too risky to buy his offering, moding cars is an investment in driving experience not in financial gain. Cars are rarely an smart investment, but I try to drive the best I can. I DD mine car 60+ miles a day on a race gas mix ( $7.50 a gal for 100 octane plus my crappy 91) while having a 40 mpg corolla I could be driving.
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08-17-2011, 10:22 PM
#320
I agree with everything Hi Speed said. $1400 is nothing for a standalone. Have you checked the price latley for AEM. I looked into a plug and play AEM v2 stand alone for my friends supra the other day. They are $1600-$1800. Rodney should be asking $2000 for the stand alone, I offered AEM (and a couple other companies) a substantial amount of money to help me with a tuning solution for the 3g platform. The only solution i got from them was to convert my crank pulley to a custom unit with a missing tooth hal effect sensor, or a magnetic vr pickup, and use an external sensor. No one was willing to do the leg work, (even for $$) to "decode" the unorthadox hal effect sensor the 3g uses.
Rodney has done it, Im getting excited.
Once mine is tuned. People will realize how much power even the bolt on TL's will gain.
Rodney has done it, Im getting excited.
Once mine is tuned. People will realize how much power even the bolt on TL's will gain.