Installing my pulley need advice
03-01-2012, 09:29 AM
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Installing my pulley need advice
So my ur pulley came in today! Really nice looking, I need some advise on whether it would be best to take it to a shop or not. I took the passenger wheel off and began the install but quickly became discouraged by the cheap jack that was holding the car up. I think since I am away from home at school that I'm just going to take it to a mechanic or something since i dont have my tools pr my good floorjacks. but I dont want to mess anything up. What should I do this pulley is just sitting in my back seat... If I do take it to a mechanic is there anything I need to tell them to watch out for?
03-01-2012, 09:35 AM
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nope just go to a mechanic. shouldn't take the guy more than 15 minutes to do it.
air tools are a must for this job IMO. it takes a lot to budge free that bolt.
shouldn't cost you more than $40-$50 tops. it's a very easy job with the right tools.
air tools are a must for this job IMO. it takes a lot to budge free that bolt.
shouldn't cost you more than $40-$50 tops. it's a very easy job with the right tools.
03-01-2012, 09:58 AM
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Air tools aren't much help to get the bolt out the first time unless you have one of those monster 1" impacts.
But the right tools are. I used the jackstand supporting extensions with a breaker bar method to break mine. Also needed a 6ft pipe over the breaker bar to get it to pop.
But the right tools are. I used the jackstand supporting extensions with a breaker bar method to break mine. Also needed a 6ft pipe over the breaker bar to get it to pop.
03-01-2012, 10:01 AM
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Air tools aren't much help to get the bolt out the first time unless you have one of those monster 1" impacts.
But the right tools are. I used the jackstand supporting extensions with a breaker bar method to break mine. Also needed a 6ft pipe over the breaker bar to get it to pop.
But the right tools are. I used the jackstand supporting extensions with a breaker bar method to break mine. Also needed a 6ft pipe over the breaker bar to get it to pop.
03-01-2012, 01:08 PM
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Soooo heres the deal.. I went to 4 mechanics....First one said he wouldn't touch it and that the ur pulley scared him. Then i went to the second one and they just scared me so i left. Third one was like oh no problem we can do that. it will take us 3 1/2 hours to do and we charge 82 an hour....wtf...and then the last one i went to was meinike, guy was nice he said it would take at minimum 1 hour. and he charges 85 an hour.. do i need to suck it up and just do it myself? via the honda crank pulley tool? bc i have everything except that and a 6 foot pipe to break it....
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03-01-2012, 01:27 PM
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^i used a honda tool and it was necessary IMO. idk what i would've done without it.
it's for sale, if interested. PM me.
it's for sale, if interested. PM me.
03-01-2012, 01:40 PM
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I just called o reilly they said the tool is available to rent for 53 bucks and then if you bring it back they refund you. So I'm about to go grab that and i have the 19mm socket 2 shitty jacks and a breaker bar.. what else do i need? an extension? if so how long. I've done my fair share of talking to mo--rons today don't want to have to keep going back.
03-01-2012, 02:14 PM
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Absolutely. After doing it, I couldn't see how you could do it without it.
Unless you use the blip method. I wouldn't but others will tell you otherwise.
The extension I used was long enough to bring the breaker bar outside the fender so I could use a pipe on it.
Unless you use the blip method. I wouldn't but others will tell you otherwise.
I just called o reilly they said the tool is available to rent for 53 bucks and then if you bring it back they refund you. So I'm about to go grab that and i have the 19mm socket 2 shitty jacks and a breaker bar.. what else do i need? an extension? if so how long. I've done my fair share of talking to mo--rons today don't want to have to keep going back.
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03-01-2012, 08:23 PM
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A-098: DIY: UR Crank Pulley info
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153549
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/04-08-tl-07-08-tl-s-crank-pulley-install-diy-lots-pics-098-a-836369/
First link. And YouTube vids. And several pages of a pissing contest about "hamonic balancing".
And here's your tool list (plus jack stands and a floor jack):
.... Ended up doing it just like the You Tube Video and Kennedy's number 3. Used the following tools:
- Craftsman 1/2" drive, 20" Extension (Supported by a Jack Stand)
- Honda Pulley Tool (for sale, used once, PM me)
- 2 @ 15" x 1/2" Drive Craftsman "breaker bars" (one for the 19mm, one for the Pulley tool)
- 19mm High Strength (impact) Socket
- 48" x 1/2" Black Iron Pipe from Lowes (~$7) (Just buy it, you'll thank me later)
One good pull on that 48" iron pipe and mmade22 made short work of that bolt. Easy-Peasy.
....
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03-01-2012, 08:43 PM
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I just called o reilly they said the tool is available to rent for 53 bucks and then if you bring it back they refund you. So I'm about to go grab that and i have the 19mm socket 2 shitty jacks and a breaker bar.. what else do i need? an extension? if so how long. I've done my fair share of talking to mo--rons today don't want to have to keep going back.
Yes, using a jack to lift and hold the car up is possible but it's just a accident waiting to happen. A jack isn't meant to support the vehicle weight for the amount of time you are working on the car.
Please use jack STANDS to securely hold your car up. Would hate for someone to get hurt because they decided to use 2 floor jacks to hold the car up.
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03-01-2012, 09:38 PM
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^^^ 94eg! I honestly want to see where you are getting your info from....i am just curious and not pointing fingers....
03-02-2012, 12:09 PM
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^^^ I have seen both those post but looks like 94eg! did come to conclusion by himself....does he/you have some honda documents stating anything about the harmonic damper/balancer and its pros/cons of loosing it ???
I have had the UR pulley for 3.5 years and 70K miles....no issues.....so am wanting to see some evidence where the UR STOCK sized pulley has messed anything up or evidence that its not good to lose your harmonic damper/balancer....
I have had the UR pulley for 3.5 years and 70K miles....no issues.....so am wanting to see some evidence where the UR STOCK sized pulley has messed anything up or evidence that its not good to lose your harmonic damper/balancer....
03-02-2012, 12:47 PM
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^^^ I have seen both those post but looks like 94eg! did come to conclusion by himself....does he/you have some honda documents stating anything about the harmonic damper/balancer and its pros/cons of loosing it ???
I have had the UR pulley for 3.5 years and 70K miles....no issues.....so am wanting to see some evidence where the UR STOCK sized pulley has messed anything up or evidence that its not good to lose your harmonic damper/balancer....
I have had the UR pulley for 3.5 years and 70K miles....no issues.....so am wanting to see some evidence where the UR STOCK sized pulley has messed anything up or evidence that its not good to lose your harmonic damper/balancer....
Not me.
I've had mine since Nov 2008 and ~38,000 miles with no issues as far as I can tell.
As far as I can tell there is no compelling 'evidence' either way; just observation, rumor and opinion.
03-02-2012, 01:29 PM
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I hope you are raising your car and using 2 JACK STANDS to keep it up, and not just 2 regular jacks to lift it and hold it up...
Yes, using a jack to lift and hold the car up is possible but it's just a accident waiting to happen. A jack isn't meant to support the vehicle weight for the amount of time you are working on the car.
Please use jack STANDS to securely hold your car up. Would hate for someone to get hurt because they decided to use 2 floor jacks to hold the car up.
Yes, using a jack to lift and hold the car up is possible but it's just a accident waiting to happen. A jack isn't meant to support the vehicle weight for the amount of time you are working on the car.
Please use jack STANDS to securely hold your car up. Would hate for someone to get hurt because they decided to use 2 floor jacks to hold the car up.
03-02-2012, 01:53 PM
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^use jack stands, champ! There was a guy on the s2k forums (I never saw the posts, just heard it from a friend) that got killed when his car rolled off whatever was supporting it. I don't want to lose any azine members that way--especially very knowledgeable members like yourself!
Ironically though,I also almost lost a finger when my friend's hydraulic floor jack failed as I was setting jackstands under his car
scary as shit. The mounting point of the car fell on top of my thumb; I was lucky enough to pull my hand out before the car fully fell onto the jackstand. I only lost the nail in my thumb from that accident; however, if I were already under the car (and not using jackstands) when that hydraulic jack failed, I might have lost a life.
After this incident I refuse to do work under the car, even with jackstands lol. My friend is a tech at a local Benz dealership and he lets me use his lift
Also, to the OP. I paid $30 for my install. Took it to a random domestic mechanic shop next to a Honda/Acura/Toyota/Lexus specialists. I orginally went to the import specialist to get it done but he wanted $70
Gave the guy my keys and got the keys back in 30 minutes!
Ironically though,I also almost lost a finger when my friend's hydraulic floor jack failed as I was setting jackstands under his car
scary as shit. The mounting point of the car fell on top of my thumb; I was lucky enough to pull my hand out before the car fully fell onto the jackstand. I only lost the nail in my thumb from that accident; however, if I were already under the car (and not using jackstands) when that hydraulic jack failed, I might have lost a life.
After this incident I refuse to do work under the car, even with jackstands lol. My friend is a tech at a local Benz dealership and he lets me use his lift
Also, to the OP. I paid $30 for my install. Took it to a random domestic mechanic shop next to a Honda/Acura/Toyota/Lexus specialists. I orginally went to the import specialist to get it done but he wanted $70
Gave the guy my keys and got the keys back in 30 minutes!
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03-02-2012, 03:00 PM
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03-02-2012, 11:59 PM
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It's actually better to use the crank itself to loosen the bolt (provided you brace it on the counter-rotation). My buddy (certified master mechanic, and expert with Honda) did the job in 15 mins, start to finish. I'll try to find his write-up that he made with my car, and I'll post it up here. Side note, the pulley is an awesome mod, I've loved every minute of it!
03-03-2012, 12:21 AM
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It's actually better to use the crank itself to loosen the bolt (provided you brace it on the counter-rotation). My buddy (certified master mechanic, and expert with Honda) did the job in 15 mins, start to finish. I'll try to find his write-up that he made with my car, and I'll post it up here. Side note, the pulley is an awesome mod, I've loved every minute of it!
I think that's the so-called "blip" method. It's recommended in the link I posted earlier. But with some of the 3G TL's with "one touch start" ('07 and '08's ??), I don't think I'd do it.
03-03-2012, 10:04 AM
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Gotta love it when people throw around "Master Mechanic and Expert" when something is done out of the factory method.
The cost of the tools pays for itself if you DIY and you have the tools forever. I've used my pulley tool to replace my timing belt on my Pilot and to put the stock pulley back on.
I didn't go back to stock because I was afraid of the debated harmonics, I have a LWFW and wanted to maintain at least some inertia for standing starts.
03-03-2012, 03:34 PM
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Here's the link to the DIY as promised guys. http://elitecm.net/forums/index.php?topic=3927.0 I should probably clarify, I have an 06 TL, in case anyone is wondering. Much respect as always to my friend Thien for the skillful install.
03-03-2012, 06:59 PM
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I'm no engine builder, but do your research. I know oil pump gear failure is common for these types of pulleys in Miatas. Honda probably uses a better quality oil pump though. Even still, the proper way to reduce drivetrain mass is via a lightweight flywheel. I just wish there real options for flywheels on the TL.
03-03-2012, 08:01 PM
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so i did it, its great so far, i might tomorrow pull my wheel off again and quadruple check the bolt to make sure its not loosening up on me. pulls allot harder already, when i first started it i was pretty scared.
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^^^ he helped.....he actually did
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