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05-05-2006, 04:49 PM
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Ok, Here are various bits of useful information.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
05-05-2006, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hondata
Retail about $50 and available in about 6 weeks.
05-05-2006, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hondata
I shall test this. Any supercharger owners in Socal?
for a reflash on my car. Reflash 
I would just pay for the extra RPMS.I almost want to drive from NJ to Cali to get a reflash and use my vehicle for a test for the intake manifold spacer.
05-05-2006, 05:59 PM
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Doesn't Outlaw Engineering have the ThermoBlock Spacer Kit? or Am I talking stupid again? 
05-05-2006, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JS + TL
Doesn't Outlaw Engineering have the ThermoBlock Spacer Kit? or Am I talking stupid again?
Yes. but thats a throtle body spacer this is a intake gasket. I think. I might be wrong.......
05-05-2006, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PPLAPW
Yes. but thats a throtle body spacer this is a intake gasket. I think. I might be wrong.......
05-05-2006, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by hondata
Retail about $50 and available in about 6 weeks.
I'm so confused
05-05-2006, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hondata
Ok, Here are various bits of useful information.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
Jason
05-05-2006, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by King of Pain
OK, I went to your website and you claim 5% HP increase with this... right??
05-05-2006, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hondata
Ok, Here are various bits of useful information.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
05-05-2006, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by hondata
Ok, Here are various bits of useful information.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
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Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
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sorry i guess it was only a 6 hp gain from switching to the mugen tstat
btw this takes ECTs from the stock 197 to the lower 183 closed loop occurs at about 138* and this in no way is dicounting the product youre showing looks like a great alternitive to the thermo blok spacer ...and something i too would recomend for additional gains in both hp/lb.ft as well as lower under hood temps
late addition: im not much of one for modding my CL was kept bone stock except for the K&N drop in and i didnt have 500+ passes in my CL at the track either ..
05-06-2006, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by againstallodds1
Yea they do, they have intake manifold and throttle body spacers.
The Hondata one is the intake manifold by itself?
Sorry for being stupid! !
I was going to order the Outlaw Engineering one but i came upon this thread about the hondata... I'm kinda lost right now.
05-06-2006, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JS + TL
so the Outlaw Engineering one includes both intake manifold and throttle body spacers? or just the throttle body spacers.
The Hondata one is the intake manifold by itself?
The Hondata one is the intake manifold by itself?
05-06-2006, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JS + TL
so the Outlaw Engineering one includes both intake manifold and throttle body spacers? or just the throttle body spacers.
The Hondata one is the intake manifold by itself?
Sorry for being stupid! ! I was going to order the Outlaw Engineering one but i came upon this thread about the hondata... I'm kinda lost right now.
The Hondata one is the intake manifold by itself?
Sorry for being stupid! !
I was going to order the Outlaw Engineering one but i came upon this thread about the hondata... I'm kinda lost right now.
05-06-2006, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bklynpanman
would love to mod the hood.. anybody have useful information?
05-06-2006, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by againstallodds1
Hell yea, I need that hood also, we have to get it made asap. I neeeeed one NOW! The heat is killing me, I kind of wish I got my supercharger in Jan. when it was first being shipped. I would like to know what it feels like in 30* weather. I guess Ill find out in about 6 months.
05-06-2006, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hondata
Ok, Here are various bits of useful information.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
-Lee
05-06-2006, 08:15 PM
#105
Man of God.....
Originally Posted by CleanCL
hondata is a replacement for the stock gasket. ThermoBlok utilizes the stock gasket in combination with its own.
05-06-2006, 08:22 PM
#106
Man of God.....
Originally Posted by hondata
OK, Here are various bits of useful information.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
Do not install a lower temperature thermostat. Keep the stock thermostat. If the water is too cold, the engine runs rich.
Intake air temperature is your enemy. Too hot and the computer retards igniton.
So:
- Bypass the heating hoses on the bottom of the throttle body
- Remove the plastic cover from the engine
- Use hood venting if possible
- Use an insulating gasket for the intake manifold. (Our TL intake gasket will be released soon - pictures to follow)
Supercharger
The main cause of the part throttle hesitation is the computer running closed loop at part throttle. Under 70 % throttle the ECU trims the fuel to 14.7. Under 70% throttle, however you are boosting the engine a little - which needs air fuel ratios closer to 12.5 or less.
You can verify this by unplugging the front and rear O2 sensors. The hesitation should disappear.
05-06-2006, 11:43 PM
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Count me in for a an ECU reflash and Hondata intake manifold insulating gasket!!!
05-07-2006, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by clausda0
is there like a guestimated E.T.A. of when we could have our c.p.u. reflashed by Hondata? when this MIGHT be ready by? i'm just curious. thanks!
05-07-2006, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
that would be interesting, use the hondata shield w/ thermoblok spacer? i dont know what kind of seal it would create, but theoretically would provide better heat dissipation.
hondata shield w/ thermoblok spacer!!
05-07-2006, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Spiritman
Hondata, when your changing the ECU code. Can you make it stop holding the RPM's up during up-shift? And also make it decelerate quicker? It sometimes hovers (when I slip it out of gear) for a few sec. I would like it to go to idle speed NOW!! No wait..... Also did you see my post about the VSA timer?
05-07-2006, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by againstallodds1
Hell yea, I need that hood also, we have to get it made asap. I neeeeed one NOW! The heat is killing me, I kind of wish I got my supercharger in Jan. when it was first being shipped. I would like to know what it feels like in 30* weather. I guess Ill find out in about 6 months.
05-07-2006, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by againstallodds1
King Motorsports:
http://www.kingmotorsports.com/
THERMOSTAT 19301-XGMR-0000 $69.00
FAN SWITCH 37760-XK5-00N0 $45.00
RADIATOR CAP 19045-XGER-0000 $29.00
Found this in a CL thread, they say it will work with any J32, so I guess it will work for us.
http://www.kingmotorsports.com/
THERMOSTAT 19301-XGMR-0000 $69.00
FAN SWITCH 37760-XK5-00N0 $45.00
RADIATOR CAP 19045-XGER-0000 $29.00
Found this in a CL thread, they say it will work with any J32, so I guess it will work for us.
Interesting how kingmotorsports has just raised their prices for 2 of these parts.
Totally excited about the re-flash 
- thanks in advance for even taking a shot!!!
05-07-2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by special-ed
Interesting how kingmotorsports has just raised their prices for 2 of these parts.
05-07-2006, 09:53 PM
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hondata : Please 
have a nice day! can i get you guys a coffee? you guys need some terrible towels shipped over there? apple?
and yes, it would be SWEET if they could unprogram the RPM hold feature.
have a nice day! can i get you guys a coffee? you guys need some terrible towels shipped over there? apple?and yes, it would be SWEET if they could unprogram the RPM hold feature.
