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Old Dec 3, 2011 | 02:04 PM
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Cold air intake question

Is there such a thing as TOO cold? I just bought a CAI and was going to put it on today, but I have a silly question...I live in Omaha, Nebraska. It gets cold here. Like high temp of 5 degrees and a windchill of -20 sometimes. It is snowing as I type this and about 25 degrees outside. Will the CAI still work under these freezing conditions or is it actually not going to work because of the extreme cold and make the car not run as well or choke out or anything like that?
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Old Dec 3, 2011 | 03:07 PM
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The CAI will cause no problems in cold weather.
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Old Dec 3, 2011 | 03:25 PM
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just dont suck up any water , thats the only thing i hate about CAI
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Old Dec 3, 2011 | 03:27 PM
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Cold dense air is better than hot air for any engine.

Cold dense air = more power.
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Old Dec 3, 2011 | 06:52 PM
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Cool, thanks guys
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Old Dec 4, 2011 | 10:07 AM
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Cool Hi,

He is right! Watch out for puddles! I live in Minnesota. Now we see cold. Like
-30F! Or colder at times. I run a cold air kit. Have for bout 5 years. No problems with the cold. At all. Yes, I did the water reroute of the TB mod as-well. Again no trouble at all!
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Old Dec 4, 2011 | 06:59 PM
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Every drop of 10 degrees F means 1 % more power will be made by the engine.
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Old Dec 4, 2011 | 09:37 PM
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^you mean freed.
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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He is right! Watch out for puddles! I live in Minnesota. Now we see cold. Like
-30F! Or colder at times. I run a cold air kit. Have for bout 5 years. No problems with the cold. At all. Yes, I did the water reroute of the TB mod as-well. Again no trouble at all!
What does "water reroute of the TB mod" mean? Do I need to do something in addition to installing the CAI to ensure I don't suck water?
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 04:55 PM
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^ He just means the coolant bypass for the Throttle Body. Our cars run coolant to the throttle body to keep the butterfly from sticking, but it has to be WAY cold for that to happen. He just means he hasnt had any issues doing that mod in his cold weather. There is a DIY on how to do it in the Garage section. Its very easy and will keep intake temps down.
I did it on mine, took 5-6 minutes to do....

>Correct me if i'm wrong TheChamp.....
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 07:35 PM
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Hi Guys i had a question. i have a 2004 Acura TL and i was wondering what is the best value for my dollar when it comes to intakes? The other thing is that i don't want my check engine light or any other lights to come on. Thank you
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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Hi Guys Im new to this site but I've had a Acura's for about 4 years now. Right now i have a 2004 Acura TL and i was wondering whats the best value for my dollar when it comes to intakes? i just don't want to get something from ebay or an online site and figure out that i over paid. The other thing i was wondering about is will my check engine light come on if i get one that doesn't have the plug at the top?

Thank you!
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Old Dec 7, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bueller
What does "water reroute of the TB mod" mean? Do I need to do something in addition to installing the CAI to ensure I don't suck water?
TB Coolant Bypass Mod...anyone do this? (click here)
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:11 PM
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Not trying to sound like an a hole, but what is the point of doing this? From what I have read, it makes your mileage worse and gains you no measurable horsepower. If I install this CAI, do I NEED to do this in order for the CAI to work correctly?

Secondly, as WeaponX stated, do I need to worry about throwing a check engine light after I install the CAI? If yes, do the more expensive ones solve this issue?
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:34 PM
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Secondly, as WeaponX stated, do I need to worry about throwing a check engine light after I install the CAI? If yes, do the more expensive ones solve this issue?
No you don't.

Besides, a CAI doesn't actually make REAL power from "cold air" like they tell you. It's a product of resonant tuning of the pressure waves created by the intake valves opening and closing. These pressure waves travel back up and out of the intake. Once they reach the end of the intake tube, a pressure wave is sent back down the intake to the valves. This causes an extremely mild form of supercharging in very brief rpm window where these waves stack up against the backs of the valves.

By varying the length and diameter of the intake tube, you can manipulate the timing of the pressure waves and alter the rpm at which they create this effect. The longer the intake, the lower the rpm this resonance occurs. The lower the rpm, the more the end-customer will "feel" the effect when driving on the streets. This results in instant smiles and lots of sales.

Of course if you try to explain this in a sales brocure, nobody will understand. That's why they hit you with the retard logic of "Colder = Faster"!!!

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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by WeaponX
Hi Guys Im new to this site but I've had a Acura's for about 4 years now. Right now i have a 2004 Acura TL and i was wondering whats the best value for my dollar when it comes to intakes? i just don't want to get something from ebay or an online site and figure out that i over paid. The other thing i was wondering about is will my check engine light come on if i get one that doesn't have the plug at the top?

Thank you!
I recommend you forget about the CAI for now and get a jpipe. Everyone will tell you it's the best return you will get hp/$. Don't get me wrong CAI is a good start, but the benefits are not worth the $$ unless you can find a great deal. However, if you are still determined on getting an intake all of them are pretty much the same. A few popular brands are Injen, AEM V1 or V2, and DC. All of these are direct install and no engine lights should come on if installed properly. Good Luck with your decision.
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bueller
Not trying to sound like an a hole, but what is the point of doing this? From what I have read, it makes your mileage worse and gains you no measurable horsepower. If I install this CAI, do I NEED to do this in order for the CAI to work correctly?

Secondly, as WeaponX stated, do I need to worry about throwing a check engine light after I install the CAI? If yes, do the more expensive ones solve this issue?

I consider the TB Coolant Bypass Mod as a part of the overall family of cooling mods. The many cooling mods (see links below) are meant to allow the TL to not lose what power it has. So semantics. Is it considered to be making power if you are able to keep what you have versus otherwise losing the power due to heat soak? My opinion is yes. The mod is making power because without the mod you would have less power.

You do not need to do the TB Coolant Bypass Mod to make the CAI work properly. They are two separate mods, independent of one another.

No CEL will be caused directly by the CAI. Sometimes a person will have a CEL after the install because they forgot to plug something back in correctly. Easily fixed when they go back to double check their work and find the piece that they overlooked to reconnect.




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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ChucksCL-S
Every drop of 10 degrees F means 1 % more power will be made by the engine.
(Withdrawn, because I'm an idiot.)




Originally Posted by WeaponX
.... The other thing is that i don't want my check engine light or any other lights to come on. Thank you
Originally Posted by Bueller
....

Secondly, as WeaponX stated, do I need to worry about throwing a check engine light after I install the CAI? If yes, do the more expensive ones solve this issue?

If you have a CEL that STAYS ON you did something wrong.

It is possible to have a CEL for a short while after the install. During install there is a sensor that has to be disconnected (IAT sensor, I think). If that sensor has power when you disconnect it OR you forget to re-connect it, you will get a CEL for a short time. It WILL go away and it is NOT an issue.

How to avoid: Remove the NEG battery cable before starting any mod and reconnect it as the LAST thing you do when finished. Oh, and don't forget to reconnect any sensors.

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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 10:48 PM
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Up to a point. If summer temps are 100° and winter temps are 0°, you'r enot going to make 100% more power. Even more realistically, from 90° to 60°, it's I'd think it's pretty unlikely you'll get a full 30% gain.
Your math skills are lacking sir. To get a 100% gain, you would need to lower the temp 1000*f... lol

It is plausible to expect a 10% gain in a 0* weather vs 100*. That is if all else was equal....meaning everything else on your car performed exactly the same at 0*f as it does at 100*f (which it doesn't).
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 11:08 PM
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Your math skills are lacking sir. To get a 100% gain, you would need to lower the temp 1000*f... lol

....


My math skills are just fine, thank you very much.


It's my reading comprehension skills that suck.
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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 02:00 AM
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also from omaha!! I just purchased a 2005 Acura TL - long way from my comfort zone my other car is a 73 mach one mustang. Has anyone used a K&N 69-0021TS Silver Typhoon Complete Cold Air Intake. I just installed mine and am completely impressed by the results. Feels smoother, car breathes. Curious to hear anyone who has put it on a dyno and or there feelings on the Intake. This is just the start.
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 04:21 PM
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Glad to hear you're from Omaha too. If you're driving around 168th and Harrison today and see some jackass pinned under a TL with a cold air intake tube up his ass, its me, trying to figure out how to install this effing thing.

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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 10:15 PM
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Well. Epic fail day. Started to get ready to do the CAI install. Started removing the front bumper. Still thinking in my head what a complete pain in the ass this is just to install a damn CAI. Went very slowly. Then I just laid there on the garage floor as I worked on the second under side bolt. Got too scared I was going to screw it up and not be able to get it back on, put all the bolts and clips back. CAI still in the box. Fail.

With car back together, load up the wife and kids and head to the mall to see Santa. Saw him. Get home. Upset I didn't get a thing done on my car today, so I pull out my ebay lip spoiler that I purchased a while ago and figure I will go stick that on. Take my time, measure it all out, prepare the surface with rubbing alcohol. Remove sticky strips from back of spoiler, carefully place it. Press the ba-Jesus out of it once I have it where it goes. Step back and look and realize I measured wrong and the damn thing looks ridiculous. Try to pull it off. Yeah right. Get plastic putty knife and carefully pry up one corner. Then carefully lift along the length of the spoiler then suddenly, with great force and speed, the whole EFFING THING comes FLYING off the trunk lid up towards the ceiling. Slips out of my hand, hits the ceiling, then slams down to the garage floor. Spoiler completely ruined, chipped all to hell all over the place and a huge chunk out of the corner where it hit either the ceiling or the floor, don't really know. At this point I am just about to rage all over the place. I calmly go inside, with ruined spoiler in hand and look at my wife (because she can make it better, right?). Yeah. It's JACKED. Completely EFFED up. She is all it's OK honey, accidents happen but I am still so pissed I just threw 100 bucks down the toilet because I am a damn retard and dropped the brand new spoiler.

Cold Air Intake fail + Lip Spoiler fail all in one day. I am so pissed I am ready to just trade the car in for a damn Kia. FML.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 09:55 PM
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^ lol, my bad dude...''I know the feeling dude. Everyone talks about how easy certain mods are and how failproof they are and then once I tackle it, its FAIL! lmao

My typical quote is:

"Why the F*ck does this have to only happen to me"
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 10:08 PM
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You live down the street from me. I'm at 150th and harrison. I take it today is not your day. take a breather always time for another weekend war with your car. what do you want the end result to be for your car?
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 11:10 PM
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Bueller,

I have lived in STL and KC for the past 3-4 years....and i have had a CAI for that period....

Cold air is denser and will help....Midwest doesnt really get "flooded" so you will be good....

The only place you gotta be careful is that if your slammed and get stuck in a puddle, DO NOT step on the gas....turn the car off immediately....push it out of the puddle and then start her up
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 09:11 AM
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You live down the street from me. I'm at 150th and harrison. I take it today is not your day. take a breather always time for another weekend war with your car. what do you want the end result to be for your car?
Wow, small world. The end result I want for my car is to get this CAI installed but I am scared to all get out that if I take the bumper off the car I won't be able to get it back on, or I will crack it somehow, or it will be missing a clip from inside that it needs for it to sit correctly or something...and it will looked jacked up. The whole bumper off the car thing intimidates me.

As for the spoiler....I will just have to buy a new one I guess and try it again sometime.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 04:21 PM
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There are youtube videos to assist.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 01:09 AM
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you do not need to take off the front bumper. you can remove the front left inlet and pull it out from the front well. The pain was getting it out we drilled the two rivets to make the stock intake 2 pieces. once we learned we had to do that it was a piece of cake.. It was easy to install the new CAI after.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 01:10 AM
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would it be cheaper to blast the spoiler and paint it?
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