So the entire sound system in my car has been slowing getting lower and lower to the point I turn it up to 40 and my cell phone radio is louder. I did a search here and located the amp in the right kick panel. Can you believe the back of the amp had "BAD" scratched into it!! Keep in mind ive owned the car since it had 48K miles, now has 122K and everything worked fine when i got it. I found an amp on ebay used for $60 and presto.......my sound is back!! Dont know if anyone else has run into this, but that was the best $60 ive spent so far this year.

 

Awesome! Just deaden the door speakers area now to hear 2x the sq. Thank me later.

 

Congrats. There is another member with your exact problem, I might go and link this to him. We were guessing the amp but no one knew for sure. Thanks for sharing.

I see you're from Mobile. I'm from a little city nearby. I usually fly into Mobile when going back home to visit.

You really want to start this again?

 

Oh no! Not the magic deadner secret!

 

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Actually dont care what you think. Dont want to talk to you either, or your monkey. The fact is you can get the most bang for buck just improving the installation of the stock equipment. Now STFU

 

My oem amp got very loud with static after 50k miles on the clock...had to bypass it.

Glad you figured out your issue, man.
Now, if only my CD player would start working again...FK ME>

 

You STFU too

 

I'm currently pulling my stock speakers and amp out of storage and ripping the excess sound deadener from my doors and the rest of the car and going back to stock with a little deadener in the doors so I can improve the sound. I can't wait to see how much better the stock door speakers sound than my 10s currently in the door.

 

Be my guest. You may as well send me your expensive equipment while you are at it. I would probably make much better use of it

 

Yeah? How would you make better use of it? Installing it in an unsealed door? Powering it with the stock amp and no processing? Is a little deadener somehow going to be better than my sealed, braced, and deadened doors?

I wouldn't care what you said except for the fact you've insinuated that those of us with aftermarket power and speakers are wasting money and that you can get similar performance by adding some sound deadening. While you can slightly improve the stock stuff with that method, you speak about these things because you've never experienced a good system. I'm not trying to be insulting but no one would be this excited about some damper if they have experienced a good system.

In one thread you even mentioned that somehow the stock speakers have plenty of midbass and aftermarket are not needed. I have bottomed a very high end 6.5" trying to keep up with my subs. It's simple math and I'll show you why your theories can't be true.

Vd= speaker displacement. This is how much air it can displace, how loud it can get in the lower frequencies. Linear is based on Klippel results and mechanical is total displacement before the speaker starts self destructing.

Stock 6.5"

Linear - 250cm^2.
Mechanical -396cm^2.

Dyn650 6.5"

Linear - 488cm^2.
Mechanical 1281cm^2.

Dyn182 (10")

Linear- 2160cm^2
Mechanical- 3120cm^2.

The aftermarket 6.5s have 3x more mechanical displacement and 2x more linear displacement over stock. This is directly related to how low and loud they can get. The aftermarkets have less distortion than stock well past their linear range as well.

IMO, the 10s are about perfect for someone who wants the option of crossing the midbass at 63hz or even lower if needed and still having good SPL which is why I'm currently running them. Most importantly, music becomes more dynamic and realistic.

That's 12x the linear displacement and 8x the mechanical displacement of the stock speakers and I consider it adequate but it's nothing to brag about.

Aftermarket gives you a MUCH lower Fs, MUCH lower Qts, and MUCH flatter frequency response over the stock speakers. The stock stuff can't get loud due to excursion limitations unless you run a 120hz+ highpass on them and to make things worse, they're actually less efficient than the average aftermarket speaker meaning that while they can't handle as much power, they also require more power for the same output.

Looking at the specs, the stock speakers might possibly make better midrange speakers than midbass speakers. My stock speakers sounded fine with a 75w amp on them but to get any appreciable output they had to be crossed over between 120-140hz to avoid clacking from bottoming out.

 

Steve, no more PMs please, I'm going to start forwarding them to the mods if you continue.

 

You do not have any idea what your talking about! The danger is that others may actually believe you. Highly unlikely but never the less. I can completely disconect my sub and just play my front comps and that alone will completely destroy anything that you could muster up using all of the stock drivers. You really need to listen to an inexpensive well put together system and then report back on your experience. Until then you just have no clue.

And your idea that the stock ELS processing is magic is also completely wrong. That processing is to protect crappy drivers.

 

I just fixed the same issue with my 04. I got ahold of an 06 oem amp from ebay, fixed my issue as well.

 

Lol

 

WTF...why does everyone like to fk with you, Matt?!!

Honestly though, when I was 17 I was told that my penile growth had reached it's climax at 3 inches, hard. Luckily, I added some deadener and now I have a regular sized one that nobody laughs at that much!

 

Lol. Here's the wonderful PMs he's sending me:
Ah the anonymity of the new allows people to smart off with no consequences. I told you Steve, if you sent me any more PMs the mods would hear about it.

 

Oh no. I am exposed.

Anyway, the issue you have and others is that you cannot accept that I prefer the sound of the stock speakers and amplifer/processing with improved installation to spending gobs of money on aftermarket equipment. I presented this information for others like myself who wish to improve the clarity/sq of the stock system. That is what has been accomplished and very noticeably to my experienced ears.


That is all. I NEVER said midbass was substantially improved. I said that the ouput of the woofer was increased in the cabin having the effect of smoothing the transition between woofer and tweeter. This would account for my perception of improved clarity and stereo image. In fact my system sounds fantastic for basically a stock car audio system. If you cannot understand that you need to seek some counseling for your problem.

 

It's your arrogant attitude such as saying you've learned more in this past year than I'm capable of in ten years... Remember that pm? You're no where nearly as smart as you think you are. Your automotive experience is limited to adding a little sound deadener around the speaker, not even sealing the doors and then making all kinds of outrageous claims about the so called changes. Then you hop into other threads telling your sob story about your stock midbasses. Several of your claims are impossible.

What you still fail to realize is everyone with an upgraded system has been down this path. We did it, then added aftermarket speakers and power and the changes from slapping on a piece of deadener is so insignificant that it's never mentioned by anyone who has done upgrades. You are not the first to do this; you're the first to make such a big deal over nothing.

 

I am not interested in arguing about claims I did not make and that is what pissed me off. No matter how many times I clarify you keep stuffing words in my mouth so to speak. Those claims were by you to refute the real and appropriate claims I did make. I did not say you or anyone else wasted their money on aftermarket speakers. I said it would be a waste to me to change the speakers. The only problem I have with my current system now is it could get a little bit louder on the xm source. I can easily fix that with a cheap AB amplifier like the one I picked up for 65 bucks but haven't gotten around to installing yet. If I never do that is fine though because I would still be very pleased with the sound reproduction of the system currently and can live with moderately loud listening levels 100% of the time though is that 2% of time I would like more headroom.

Theoretically, how would someone know how their intellect compared to the rest of the population, in your opinion? You said yourself despite upgrading your system components substantially that your system rarely sounds better than stock. Remember? Mine sounds twice as good as it did when I bought it and for maybe a tenth of the investment.

 

I'll start a list of your outrageous claims tomorrow.

How do you know this when you have never changed speakers?

You implied we wasted our money on speakers several times. You posted in threads that had nothing to do with you about how inadequate your midbass is. Don't worry about arguing this point, I'll have a list of your quotes tomorrow.
That's just it, you have no idea what you're missing because you're never tried anything else. Ignorance is not a virtue. If you're happy, fine, but stock speakers on a stock amp might as well be a clock radio on the dash to me. Low volume on XM is not your only problem, it's the only problem you're aware of out of ignorance.
Good question considering you apparently think you're smarter than me from the first PM you sent me. Remember this?
Does this ring a bell? So tell me, Stevie, how do know you "have learned more in the past year than I could learn in ten?" You don't understand even the most basic concepts of car audio. I assumed you started maybe a month ago. If you've been in this for a year, you're behind the curve.
It's called humility. You should learn it. It's always sounded better than stock and if you look at some of my posts I had an acoustic phase problem in the midrange that took a while to sort out and it's been great ever since.

How do you know yours sounds twice as good as stock? Is this some unit of measure that I'm not aware of? Ok, mine sound 100x better than stock, I win the game.

I proved mathematically how your system cannot possibly have any sort of decent midbass output. Ignore it if you choose but it's still a big problem on stock speakers and power. Unbelievable, you have 20w on the equivalent cone area as a 5.25" with 1.5mm of excursion and you think it sounds good? You have no idea what dynamics, punch, headroom, and even bass are supposed to sound like.

Ignore it all you like but I'll say it again. We all started where you are at and we all have far surpassed where you are at. You're talking out of your ass about something we all have experience with and you have none.

But here's what it comes down to. You enter your car in the next MECA event in your area. I'll enter mine. Let's see which car the judges think sound better. I'll run mine subless to give you a better chance.

You said you could put my equipment to better use, explain how you would do this.

 

Jeez Steve...you get pretty friggin fired up to prove a point. The stock speakers are good enough for you, doesn't mean they are good enough for everyone.

To be entirely honest, if I could have all the money I've spent back (and my trunk space )...and go back to a NON noisy OEM amp that put out just a LITTLE more power in XM/Ipod mode...I probably wouldn't have ever messed with the system.

I ride with the windows down on the highway so I need to be able to crank it loud enough to hear over road noise. So in my case, my aftermarket stuff is great and serves my purpose. For you the stock speakers sound awesome. I also kinda don't feel like the oem speakers push hard enough to really NEED extra deadener BUT that said...I could see how since they're not very loud, adding deadener to keep ALL the sound coming back into the cab would be good. Either way...different strokes. No big deal.

J.

 

ps. i have a STOCK system. i will be upgrading it (with deadner only). im going the IB route, my setup will be following few others on here (IHC, neibur, pholms, etc...)

back on topic, glad you got this figured out OP! others will appreciate your feedback since only a few members have experienced this problem....and can we not clutter this thread no more with arguing(it's not going to help any, lol).
future members will "search" for this amp problem and see all this other "stuff" about the stock systems efficiency. Im not taking sides, I'm just going the route that i trust the most

 

I just want to clarify one thing for Steve and then i am done. Much of his argument seems to be based upon cost. I was able to sit back and research what others have done and learn fron their mistakes and successes. My system is now DONE. I feel no need for any other upgrades at this point. If i subtract the isimple i am all in for $800.00. Considering the costs of performance mods for this car it is a screaming deal. And i am also confident that alll would prefer my system even subless over anything with the stock drivers/amplification.

 

Cool, and like I said above if you still feel the need to upgrade you haven't lost anything as you have already deadened the door to some degree. For the rear speakers I did not bother deadening them but I did plug up a few of the larger holes around there with sealing tape to help minimize any cancellations caused by the back wave. I am also intrigued by the whole IB setup but why fix what isn't broke in my case. My .54 cuft box fits neatly in the corner held there with the trunk mesh that came with the car. To me it is audio bliss.

IHC, I sort of look forward to seeing these outrageous claims I have made (not in a spiteful sense) but it may take me a little while to address whatever it is you think you will find as I am fairly busy today (working, house shopping, chauffeuring the uncle, eating, sleeping, etc.) (jk about the eating, sleeping part ... but seriously I need some sleep )

 

I understand cost but this guy made outrageous and false claims about a little deadener on the doors and not even sealing the doors, just some deaderner around the speaker. It's rediculous. He can't get it through his head that those of us that have done it already did not stop at deadener because it's just a tiny difference if that. With stock speakers, it makes no difference. They have 1.5mm xmax and the cone area of a 5.25". They don't need nor can they take advantage of deadener. If the doors were sealed, maybe, and it's a big maybe there would be a difference. Going to get a compellation of his best quotes at lunch.

 

Dont have to tell me! I have seen the claims in numerous threads! I just wanted people to know that a incredible sounding system can be had for not much money

 

lol what is so wrong with adding some deadener and a decent sub?

 

I don't think there's anything "wrong'. But I see why this got all fired up...your tone, deadened or not, is relatively undesirable.

J.

 

 

soooooooooo.......um....uh..... replacing my stock amp worked.

Anyone know when the UFC match from members on this thread begins?

 

@ this thread haha....

i agree the stock TL setup is pretty nice....to the factory amp/speakers/wires I added a CLARION EQS746 and the sound is just AMAZING !!! got my lows back and the bass is enough to create severe rattle....and all of this on a stock setup

 

Well I appreciate the comment. I am not fond of having an undesirable tone myself. Unfortunately I am human and my emotions sometimes get the better of yours truly. I will refrain from having such tone in the future. Much of my frustration was a result of my thread which I thought would benefit other TL owners got all shit on by the MMA/car//audio guru. I even took the time to think before writing and all ruined. Anyway. I am glad some people here can appreciate my experience.

 

All good man...nice response!
Honestly...like I said, if my stock system had been just a BIT louder, I would have been happy with it just the way it was (ok, maybe adding a 10" for some boom!).

J.

 

You can't let it go, still calling names... I know more about MMA, cars, and car audio than you, get over it. There are several on this forum that not only know more than me, they know a lot more than me. You, however, are not one of those guys. From the cussing to the name calling and the bitch fits when someone says something you don't like, I can only imagine how much fun you are in real life. You showed your true colors in PM when you thought no one would find out. Don't think there is anything you can say to patch it up after your outbursts. So here is some of your junk:
You have spent countless hours weighing the pros and cons and ended up with half a sheet of deadener on the door? I guess it keeps costs to a minimum but it won't improve the sound.


So basically you're upgrading because the stock TL lacks just about everything a system can lack according to your list. You need to get out more if you have never heard a system that blows away the stock system. Your lack of experience shows here.



Here you go with blanket statements and bad advice. You can deviate significantly from the recommended enclosure in many instances and end up with higher SPL and better sound.

A Best Buy 12 might be adequate for you but you have no idea what other peoples' standards are. You don't qualify the quality of the signal being good. You make a vague statement.



Do you know for sure turning the bass down on the HU makes the system "less harsh" and gives it less distortion because the stock amp is having to push less power or could it be...... drumroll....... that the stock midbass speakers with their severely limited displacement can't produce anything even remotely close to decent output.



More outrageous claims. You really believe a piece of rubber stuck to the door gives a wider and higher stage. You really think it makes the stock speakers sound like aftermarket home speakers in a home environment? Crazy.

How do you know it would be difficult for a processor and aftermarket system to make it worth all the cost and effort when you have never done it? You're guessing and assuming, nothing more. The problem is you think your opinion is more valuable than the people that have already been there, done that. You only have one small piece of the puzzle, a piece of rubber stuck on the door.



Again, a piece of rubber stuck on the door improves the clarity and sound stage???? You've lost it.



So you have more highs coming from the door from a small piece of dynamat stuck to the door?


Another outrageous claim. A square of Dynamat now adds clarity and channel separation/stereo effect.



A clear and stable stage from a square of Dynamat. Double the SQ with stock everything and a piece of dynamat on the door.

You think getting new components would be a waste of money compared to what? Your vast experience in car audio?

What about the range from 160 down to the subwoofer, don't care about that range?


Yes, I'm sure the doors were deadened when the system was designed. Do you really believe this stuff?


So 20w per channel on speakers with 1.5mm xmax sounds like being at a concert? For the hundreth time, the claim of dynamat adding depth to the stage.

You have very high goals, a Fusion is what all of the SQ guys want to sound like.

Now adding rubber to the door will decrease tweeter harshness?



Now the dynamat smooths the transition between midbass to tweeter?


This is a very good post, summed up well.

Any speaker designer? That's as believable as the rest of your claims.

Use the money argument when you're proven wrong.


By a piece of dynamat...

You don't learn as quickly as you think as evidenced by your posts. You're better off not posting and reading before attempting to "help" anyone.

You jumped into my 10" midbass thread with this:
You were wrong btw, the larger speakers are way less prone to rattles.
When someone said the only thing stock speakers are good for is paperweights, you responded with this:
Why is it that you think you're the only person to ever hear a stock system or a stock system with a patch of deadener? We've heard it and we quickly moved on.
A couple people responded disagreeing with you which I can prove with math and you responded negatively with this:
You sound like a bratty little bitch. You started the whole thing right there with your shitty attitude in my thread where you weren't wanted in the first place. It was a thread about real speakers, not paperweights. My "endless struggles" are due to wanting perfection, not stock speakers.

 

Nice! I take credit for the paperweight comment!

 

Have fun on your vacation!

 

Sorry Rockstar, I will just ignore him from now on

 

Steve,


I know you're new to Acurazine, but this conversation has gotten way out of hand. One thing we look down on is name calling and conversations getting personal.


Let's tone things WAY down here.


IHC-please do the same.


Thank you.

 

I agree and apologize for my comment.

 

^^^^ Thanks for posting this. I'm glad to see things return to a civil conversation.