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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 02:40 AM
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can this hurt my amp or sub?

i bought an amp kit from a local stereo shop and i was in a hurry so i ran in grabbed it and ran out,and didnt open it for a few hours later when i went to install it,i opened it and by the time i realized how CRAP it was it was un returnable....the speaker wire was about 16 guage or so,pretty thin....so i trippled the wires and soldered them together to get triple the thickness...


is this a bad idea? can it hurt anything or will it still be low sound quality?

i also have to go buy some quality RCA's now....and i paid fucking 60$ for this amp kit...i cant believe i was so stupid.
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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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anyone?
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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 11:56 AM
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It won't hurt your amp nor sub but quality of sound may different if it is not oxygen free you may notice catch noise.
If you want better sound and quality you need better cables.
I never buy amp install kit cause of their quality.
You should buy individual power, rca and speaker wire least.
It will cost you more but reliable.
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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ikechun
It won't hurt your amp nor sub but quality of sound may different if it is not oxygen free you may notice catch noise.
If you want better sound and quality you need better cables.
I never buy amp install kit cause of their quality.
You should buy individual power, rca and speaker wire least.
It will cost you more but reliable.
+1 I totally agree. With this post.

I recommend Kicker Hyperflex 1/0 kit for the amp install, and 12 or 14 gauge Kicker speaker wire. I used over 100 ft of it for my install.
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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 03:38 PM
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Your equipment is only as good as the cables.....Now I am not saying you have to go with super name brands and spend $300 on Monster Cable. (I think it is overpriced and overkill for most installations) Just go mid-grade at least. There are too many cheap wannabe crap cables out there. You have to hear the difference in quality to believe me. There are plenty of mid-grade, decent, affordable cables and connectors available out there and it is worth it. You could have gotten a quality amp kit with 4 Gauge wire for around $20 more!
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 08:17 PM
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the only issue would be interference from the now open ends of the wire since the shielding has been removed. The TL is known for having odd power interference with speakers causing that slight noise.

BTW, if you didn't know the point of having bigger wire is:
1. It can handle more power without melting
2. It is less resistant. I found a chart for it a while ago, which a quick google will turn up. Basically the thicker the wire, the easier for the signal to be transfered.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 08:32 PM
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My Recommendations are..

Go out and buy some decent stuff...

Scosche...JL...Stinger...Tsunami

look for twisted pair RCA's constructed with OFC(oxygen free copper)...helps prevent radiated noise from entering your signal path...

power wire...get good flexible wire...again oxygen free...look at a cross section to make sure you're gettin what you payed for...not all insulation...get the highest strand count possible...just a side note...due to the increase cost of copper some manufacts have been using copper clad aluminum which on the power supply side isn't going to harm anything...

hope this helps

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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 11:11 PM
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i ended up buying the rockford dual twisted RCA's

i installed everything today and i have no noise or humming or n e thing.
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 08:22 AM
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Jason's back!!! (che-che-che, aah-aah-aah)

Welcome back, man
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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The Scosche set from walmart seems to be decent if you dont want to spend much. I used it for my friend car casue he a cheep person. But if you care alot about sound I think you would rather dish out a few more dollars an get something better. Like the ones reconmended above or you can do the moster cable set at ultimate electroics...
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 12:54 PM
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well,i used the triple ones i did,and it sounds good,i dont need to change them after all.

i went with some dual twist rockford RCA's...all in all it sounds great,i just need to figure out why my enclosure is ruining the sound (the wall,not the box)
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by deltaboxxx
just need to figure out why my enclosure is ruining the sound (the wall,not the box)
Possible cause.

Sub is generate wave not actual sound.
Sound distortion is happenning if generated wave crossover each other.
I suggest use candle or thin paper to check wave direction from sub and make custom air damp(like bumper) which can soack(dynamat such etc...) crossover wave.
If you know how to figure this will get you best quality sound even use cheap subs.
I hope this will help you.
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by deltaboxxx
.the speaker wire was about 16 guage or so,pretty thin....so i trippled the wires and soldered them together to get triple the thickness...


is this a bad idea? can it hurt anything or will it still be low sound quality?

i also have to go buy some quality RCA's now....and i paid fucking 60$ for this amp kit...i cant believe i was so stupid.
That won't hurt anything. For non-shielded applications like power and speaker, you mainly want to make sure there isn't a lot of voltage drop across the wire due to the current through it. Basic Ohms law states (voltage drop) = (current) * (wire resistance). There is a minor gain by soldering multiple wires together - the overall inductance (frequency dependent resistance) will decrease. This is good, although I doubt inductance will impact the signal with low frequencies like 20 KHz.
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ikechun
Possible cause.

Sub is generate wave not actual sound.
Sound distortion is happenning if generated wave crossover each other.
I suggest use candle or thin paper to check wave direction from sub and make custom air damp(like bumper) which can soack(dynamat such etc...) crossover wave.
If you know how to figure this will get you best quality sound even use cheap subs.
I hope this will help you.


i KIND of understand this,but not for sure...i need more info on what people might think the prob is.
i think i might just take the wall down and leave it tacky lookin
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 08:20 AM
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Are you saying that the sub just doesn't sound good? How does it "not sound good"? The tone, distortion? If it's the tone, I have a similar problem. From what I hear it's tough to get a sub enclosure to sound good in the trunk of a TL.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 08:56 AM
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Sealed enclosure usually created better sound than other such port and vented.
If your desire is tight sound should make your sub enclosure as sealed and use fiberfill in the enclosure(check your sub manual for volume of enclosure).
If your desire is just high power bass then leave no choice.
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