pwrdbykmfdm

on a 5AT..
this is the first time i have had an auto, so i am always in sportshift mode.
i have noticed when i am at full throttle and redlining from 1st to 2nd if i shift at 6800rpm the car bounces off the rev limiter, so if i shift at 5900rpm the car shifts right when its about to hit the rev limiter. but with any other gear i can shift at redline without hitting the revlimiter.
i suppose its because its really an automatic tranny and with a clutch you release the gear instantly when you push in the clutch, but with a sportshifter there is lag, am i correct?
what rpm do you all shift at when on 1/4 mile or just driving fast on the street?

csmeance

there is lag evident with SS, but this is due to the various sensors it checks before shifting to make sure no damage will be done. I also have to shift about 200 RPM before redline, then it will reach redline and then shift.

01tl4tl

stop redlining it in 1st
read the owner manual for full info on your car and how to correctly use all the systems
click your cars year then model- for owner manual download FREE
https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/...01_OMANUAL.asp
register your car with acura too
1-800-382-2238 x5 and online- need VIN number for both of those
http://owners.acura.com/registration...erstepone.aspx

flydog

Is this a trick question? Isn't everyone's redline painted in the same place on the tach?

jumbosizeme79

why wouldnt you redline in first when racing? i even heard that it redlines on its own even when not in SS mode for 1st gear, if your slamming the gas that is

BEAR-AvHistory

Because you have already passed your power peak & are not accelerating any more. The TL's maximum HP is about 600rpm below redline & peak torque is about 1,800 under.

You just need to shift at high enough revs to keep in the power band when the revs drop on the shift.

You get to close to redline & are not quick enough the engine nanny can shut you down when you least want it to happen. On the 6spd I usually short-shift at about 6500rpm on the dial. When considering the actual time from sight of the needle at 6,500 till the shift is actually made it probably pick up another 100 or so rpm.

MustBeTL

Man, I don't think I could rev my car up to the red line, I would feel too bad or feel like it was going to blow up! Years back revving red line was no big deal, but now I feel like I care about the car too much to rev it up that high. Guess they wouldn't put the red line all the way up there if it was going to hurt it though....

o4Komodo

iTrader: (2)

I'm too scared to redline [I have 6mt]... I just drive normally... or gun it after engaging into a lower gear. That always feels good =]
Also a good way to tell your rear-seat-passengers to buckle-the-f****-down lol

And just so incase I get flamed, it's not everyday I have a rear-seat passenger [I don't get front seat passengers that often anymore either] and when I do I warn them I'm going to be gunning it [only if the road is clear and it's bright enough to see everything perfectly clear].

Tripnbeats

uuuh i dont redline my car... ill let u break urs first and then u can tell me where to shift.

TeknoKing

^^^ lol bro you always have something to say....we need to chill.

But like everyone mentioned whats the gain redlining in first?

peace

korrupted

I don't think I've gone over 5K rpms yet.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

i alwayz shift at 6,300 to 6,600 RPM.......i beat a 350Z doing the same

my baby took offffffff.......felt as if either the guy in the Z didnt know how to drive or had a FU**ED up ride or he might have gotten scared

beat a G35x too following the 6300-6600 rpm shift pattern.......

Tripnbeats

LMAO yea man.....ALWAYS.
You ask something stupid Ill give u a stupid answer. simple and to the point, next time... b4 their jaw starts flappin they'll think really hard before they even begin to type or talk.

01tl4tl

If you want to learn the EXACT shift points for max performance on your car-
there are new types of rolling wheel- dyno machines that can simulate full 1/4 mile runs.
The computer takes all the data and will show what works for what gear

On the 6speed cars- just be reallllly careful - practice and learn- downshifting
Grabbing 2nd gear at the wrong time has lead to some very expensive repairs by
owners who thought a rev limiter was going to save the car from them!
Sorry- no limiter on the downshift- bummer
Makes me appreciate the SS/auto every time I read one of those stories

Bearcat94

If revving to the redline was a problem the redline would be lower.

To hit (or be just short of) the redline in Auto, shift 300 - 500 RPM before.

By the way, the redline is 6,800. The REV LIMITER is 7,000.

BEAR-AvHistory

A good reason not to wait for 6,800 before you pull the handle.

Timeless

find a good point to shift so that when the car actually does shift its around 6200-6400 rpm. After 6300 rpm you're not accelerating faster, ~6250 is peak power output, so its a pretty damn good place to get the car to shift.

FiveLiterCheater

The problem is, with the autos atleast, if you shift at 6,300 the next gear will land pretty low. Say you're in 2nd gear @ WOT, and you shift at 6,500 (the computer doesn't do it until 6,800 due to the lag) You'll land right in Vtec in 3rd gear. If you shift at 6,300, you'll land under it and slowly climb back up.

01tl4tl

I hope you are all doing this on the racetrack- wot in 2nd and 3rd to redline- thats a pretty steep fine by the local law~
Oh why bother kidding myself!

FiveLiterCheater

2nd gear ends at what? 75mph? 3rd gear is where you get in trouble

BEAR-AvHistory

Yeah, that is a problem with the 5AT vs the 6MT, the 5AT gear ratios suck. The average drop on the 6MT is about 1000RPM with 1/2 being the steepest drop.

So a 6.500rpm 1/2 shift puts you at about 5,200 going into second.

don5504

Aren't the RPM's the same at redline depending upon the tranny?

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don5504

The 5at gear ratios do suck. Its like they are geared to go the speed of plaid.

D

BEAR-AvHistory

The red line is engine based not transmission based you so yes its the same RPM in both 5AT & 6MT. What makes the difference is the wider spacing in the 5AT gear sets causes it yo fall much further down the power curve when you/it shift.

Also the 6MT is still in multiplier mode when the 5AT has already gone to OD mode.

pwrdbykmfdm

WOW, when did some of you guys get so old? "i never go above 5k"...??
or mabey i just like to drive fast when im alone sometimes.
anyways.
i figured it out, if i shift at exactly 6k by the time the tranny actually shifts gears i am right at 6600rpm. so i have been shifting at 5900rpm just to be safe.
no i am not a boy-racer anymore, but i do like to enjoy myself when i drive. i dont swerve thru traffic like a dips**t, or cut people off- but when its clear i like to feel the power of the car. at the same time i dont want every teenager is his civic si trying to race me at every stop light, thats why i bought a TL.

BEAR-AvHistory

Excuse me, but what exactly does age have to do with your shift point?

Bearcat94

Well, obviously, at your age, you *have* to shift sooner just because of your reaction times; 5k sounds about right.

Probably better NOT to bring up Alzheimers.

paliknight

i really shift around 2000 rpms lol. dont feel like wasting that much gas when i really dont have to. when i drive, i like keeping the tachometer between 2000-3000 RPMs. engine runs smooth and calm and conserves gas. im financing so i already have enough bills to pay lol.

BEAR-AvHistory

Try this.

Have a friend hold a brand new US $1 bill, with the presidents picture in the center, by its top edge.

You hold your thumb & fore finger about an inch apart at the bottom edge.

Have him/her drop the bill without warning.

Once you see the bill moving close your fingers on the bill as fast as you can & see where on the bill your fingers are.

I hit the oval with the presidents picture about 80% of the time & the space between the oval & the top edge the rest of the time.

Let us know how you make out.

Tripnbeats

Hey can someone rename this post "how can I break my car a little faster?" or "How can I make sure my car ends up at acura with broken motor mounts every week ?"

FiveLiterCheater

You cant blow the engine with an auto...it won't let you go past the redline, its called a rev limiter. Anything up to 6,800 is safe or else they wouldn't let you take it that high. Motor mounts are another story

vinnier6

iTrader: (1)

if you beat a z, then the guy driving the z wasnt racing you...otherwise you would have been toasted....

Tripnbeats

thanks j......tell me something I dont know. I was being "sarcASStic"

Ill remember to put it in italics next time.

darksom1

+1

My question for all of you guys redlining is: Can I use your free gas card? Because you must have one. Hahaha!

stillhere153

iTrader: (1)

lol dark

they thing about the tl is the shifter location sucks... the dealer let me borrow a tsx and in manual mode it is more comfortable and responce it gives is way more "sport shift" than the sport shifting available for the tl...

darksom1

Serves you guys right for buying automatics anyway! Everyone knows you are not driving this car "responsively" until you have driven it in a 6MT!!!

stillhere153

iTrader: (1)

it isn't my fault... it is those fat suits that run acura who made the corporate cost effective move to reduce the production of manual transmissions available on average of 1 per dealer per month

paliknight

yah i was told the wait was 3 months on a manual type S. couldnt wait that long (needed the car for commuting) so i had to purchase the automatic.

MustBeTL

Too lazy to shift when commuting so I went AT. If I want to play a little bit I can always use the sports shift. Yeah, its by no means even close to MT, but is better than nothing.