What Motor Oil Do You Use for your TL?
#361
Team Owner
Also, once plugs are fuel fouled they're not done. Usually all it takes is a couple full throttle runs and they're fine again. Dumping Seafoam in there puts it into a severely rich condition which is what fouls the plugs. It's not any cleaning that's being done that fouls the plugs, it's the Seafoam itself burning. Same with the smoke out of the exhaust. You're seeing Seafoam burning, nothing more.
#362
takin care of Business in
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas City, MO
Age: 40
Posts: 30,994
Received 4,732 Likes
on
4,064 Posts
Matt, hence I mentioned not sure what is keeping my heads clean...maybe its just me being religious with my maintenance...
butttt I will tell you this, our* manifolds are FAR from being clean....unless oil in the intake path is an acceptable clean....
the PCV system and the EGR system mess it up....I have seen oil stains from the TB to the lower intake runners....from the time I put a catch can in and EGR block off plate, now the manifold and runners STAYS very very CLEAN !!!
to a point, I dont have to run any cleaner in the air system anymore....
as for running seafoam in the fuel to clean the fuel lines/rail/injectors, again am unsure of Seafoams work there and I have not seen the bottom end of the car so know if there was any deposits/cleaning required....I have heard from many (and now from you) that our cylinders stay very clean, unless something is wrong....
finally, adding seafoam in the oil will def make the oil thinner and hence I change it (the oil) within 100 miles of adding seafoam in there....again, am not sure if its cleaning or harming anything....
I do not see any oil leaks from any seals or from the bottom of the car etc....also I would not know of the cleaning power until I take the heads off and check the rods/pistons/rings...
butttt I will tell you this, our* manifolds are FAR from being clean....unless oil in the intake path is an acceptable clean....
the PCV system and the EGR system mess it up....I have seen oil stains from the TB to the lower intake runners....from the time I put a catch can in and EGR block off plate, now the manifold and runners STAYS very very CLEAN !!!
to a point, I dont have to run any cleaner in the air system anymore....
as for running seafoam in the fuel to clean the fuel lines/rail/injectors, again am unsure of Seafoams work there and I have not seen the bottom end of the car so know if there was any deposits/cleaning required....I have heard from many (and now from you) that our cylinders stay very clean, unless something is wrong....
finally, adding seafoam in the oil will def make the oil thinner and hence I change it (the oil) within 100 miles of adding seafoam in there....again, am not sure if its cleaning or harming anything....
I do not see any oil leaks from any seals or from the bottom of the car etc....also I would not know of the cleaning power until I take the heads off and check the rods/pistons/rings...
Last edited by swoosh; 07-11-2014 at 01:34 PM. Reason: Edited for typo correction :bored:
#364
takin care of Business in
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas City, MO
Age: 40
Posts: 30,994
Received 4,732 Likes
on
4,064 Posts
to a point is actually correct....or atleast I thought it was
they (TB/Manifold/Runners) are clean to a point that I dont have to run a intake cleaner anymore....and am not trying to coach IHC, he knows more than me....I am just listing my experience....
but please go ahead contribute your ramblings
they (TB/Manifold/Runners) are clean to a point that I dont have to run a intake cleaner anymore....and am not trying to coach IHC, he knows more than me....I am just listing my experience....
but please go ahead contribute your ramblings
#365
Team Owner
But here's what you have to ask yourself. Does the oil film or even a puddle affect performance? Does a micron thick layer of carbon on the intake walls hurt performance? The answer is a big fat no. It is not restricting or disrupting airflow at all.
The only place that used to need to be cleaned was the intake ports of the heads. With modern fuel with its detergents spraying that area it's cleaner than the rest of the intake tract (DI excluded).
What you see in the intake manifold will have about as much affect on performance as dirt on the outside of the engine.
Adding it to the oil most definitely hurts the oils ability to lubricate. It's just like if you ran a straight 5w in the engine. It wouldn't fail right away. It would probably go several thousands of miles on it, probably 50k or so as long as you're nice but the damage is being done. Most of those types of additives stress not to drive the car or to drive it very easy. This is not a good sign. What does Seafoam say?
Last, my valvetrain is considerably cleaner and it's never seen any sort of oil additive, just good oil changed at reasonable intervals. I've never seen anything clean like Amsoil ACD and Redline. I have no oil puddling, just a film of oil but it's probably because of Redlines high NOACK value.
These engines stay very clean with just decent oil changed at regular intervals and premium fuel. Everything in the intake tract is superficial.
The only place that used to need to be cleaned was the intake ports of the heads. With modern fuel with its detergents spraying that area it's cleaner than the rest of the intake tract (DI excluded).
What you see in the intake manifold will have about as much affect on performance as dirt on the outside of the engine.
Adding it to the oil most definitely hurts the oils ability to lubricate. It's just like if you ran a straight 5w in the engine. It wouldn't fail right away. It would probably go several thousands of miles on it, probably 50k or so as long as you're nice but the damage is being done. Most of those types of additives stress not to drive the car or to drive it very easy. This is not a good sign. What does Seafoam say?
Last, my valvetrain is considerably cleaner and it's never seen any sort of oil additive, just good oil changed at reasonable intervals. I've never seen anything clean like Amsoil ACD and Redline. I have no oil puddling, just a film of oil but it's probably because of Redlines high NOACK value.
These engines stay very clean with just decent oil changed at regular intervals and premium fuel. Everything in the intake tract is superficial.
The following users liked this post:
swoosh (07-11-2014)
#366
takin care of Business in
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas City, MO
Age: 40
Posts: 30,994
Received 4,732 Likes
on
4,064 Posts
THERE !!!
exactly what I wanted to hear....guess no more seafoam for me
yes, just like you, I have ran a relatively small OCI (always at 5K which is very low OCI for most GRP3/4 engine oils)....so yes, I dont not supposed seafoam had anything to do with the cleaning....
about the intake, good to know a little oil wont hurt anything....ofcourse its not a big puddle but I get your point regarding a tiny layer of film...
this talk only makes me want to take the heads off and check how the bottom end is....but I dont want to do that unless I am going to be doing some serious modding
Thanks for the explanation Matt, you know I always appreciate it and learn from it....
exactly what I wanted to hear....guess no more seafoam for me
yes, just like you, I have ran a relatively small OCI (always at 5K which is very low OCI for most GRP3/4 engine oils)....so yes, I dont not supposed seafoam had anything to do with the cleaning....
about the intake, good to know a little oil wont hurt anything....ofcourse its not a big puddle but I get your point regarding a tiny layer of film...
this talk only makes me want to take the heads off and check how the bottom end is....but I dont want to do that unless I am going to be doing some serious modding
Thanks for the explanation Matt, you know I always appreciate it and learn from it....
#368
takin care of Business in
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas City, MO
Age: 40
Posts: 30,994
Received 4,732 Likes
on
4,064 Posts
IHC can correct me if am wrong but Bert (a member here) ran over 450whp on the stock engine (bottom end and heads) before he bumped up the boost and blew something and then built the bottom end and a 550+whp monster....
I certainly am not going to run that kind of power, so I dont think we can fudge the engine/bottom end up....
I do want to run some kind of forced induction but I need to do a lot more reading before am even close to that kind of knowledge and caliber...
#369
Race Director
iTrader: (1)
I love how some peoples words are scripture. Blah blah blah. Even when your own logic is completely satisfactory for the given situation.
Blah blah blah
Seafoam it up! If done properly there are no negatives possible, only positives.
Blah blah blah I write long posts so it's God's own words. Blah blah blah.
Blah blah blah
Seafoam it up! If done properly there are no negatives possible, only positives.
Blah blah blah I write long posts so it's God's own words. Blah blah blah.
#370
Team Owner
I will be honest, these engines are almost bulletproof (exactly opposite of our early 5AT transmissions LOL)....
IHC can correct me if am wrong but Bert (a member here) ran over 450whp on the stock engine (bottom end and heads) before he bumped up the boost and blew something and then built the bottom end and a 550+whp monster....
I certainly am not going to run that kind of power, so I dont think we can fudge the engine/bottom end up....
I do want to run some kind of forced induction but I need to do a lot more reading before am even close to that kind of knowledge and caliber...
IHC can correct me if am wrong but Bert (a member here) ran over 450whp on the stock engine (bottom end and heads) before he bumped up the boost and blew something and then built the bottom end and a 550+whp monster....
I certainly am not going to run that kind of power, so I dont think we can fudge the engine/bottom end up....
I do want to run some kind of forced induction but I need to do a lot more reading before am even close to that kind of knowledge and caliber...
Even the stock heads flow enough for over 1,000hp under pressure but no telling how the stock headgasket would take it. If you wanted a car that you could put $6,000 into with your own labor to really piss some Lambo and Ferrari owners off for 10 seconds at a time you could probably do it with one of these stock Js and a hairdryer.
I firmly believe if Bert wasn't doing those high end runs his would still be alive at 550hp. To keep it in perspective that's about the same and a little more than a ZR1 puts to the wheels.
#371
Team Owner
I love how some peoples words are scripture. Blah blah blah. Even when your own logic is completely satisfactory for the given situation.
Blah blah blah
Seafoam it up! If done properly there are no negatives possible, only positives.
Blah blah blah I write long posts so it's God's own words. Blah blah blah.
Blah blah blah
Seafoam it up! If done properly there are no negatives possible, only positives.
Blah blah blah I write long posts so it's God's own words. Blah blah blah.
You're allowed to explain to us how Seafoam helps. No one is stopping you so I'm not sure why you're so defensive and trying to make it personal but you sound like a little jealous baby. I laid out my reasons as to why it does not help and why it can be bad. You can prove me wrong or you can come up with your own reasons but the ignorant temper tantrum isn't going to work.
#372
Race Director
Yup, I agree. Whatever is on sale would probably be fine even at normal MID intervals for your normal DD...
Agreed as well.
Agreed as well.
#373
Moderator
Chapter Leader (South Florida Region)
Chapter Leader (South Florida Region)
iTrader: (6)
If you want an amazing product for the crank case, Auto-Rx is the best there is. It's a mix of esters and it cleans the crank case over a 3,000 mile interval. It lubricates as well or better than the oil. It's gentle since it's not a solvent. It's not going to break big chunks of crap off. It's not necessary either if you have taken care of the engine regardless of the mileage.
#374
Race Director
#375
takin care of Business in
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas City, MO
Age: 40
Posts: 30,994
Received 4,732 Likes
on
4,064 Posts
Haha haha hahaha
Even if I have a free coupon, I would rather do it at home...
Not hating SEARS or Jiffy lube or any other shop for that matter but I know they won't be as meticulous as I am....all it takes is 1 idiot hitting the oil drain plug with an impact and next think you know is you are replacing the oil pan...
The only Firestone I go to is about 15 miles away because the guy never uses an impact gun...takes and puts the lugs on traditional style...I have lifetime balance rotate and alignment with them....rest all gets done at home...
#377
Team Owner
That's awesome lol. If you end up trying it let me know what you think. I don't think any of us have enough junk in the engine for it to make a difference but it is very good at cleaning the ring land area which is one of the only places that can cost hp and mpg.
#378
i agree because most oils essentially complete its function .... lubrication
although synthetics are better, there's probably neglible difference between brands
OIL FILTERS however, i think there are bigger differences .... you don't want a generic fram cheap paper one
although synthetics are better, there's probably neglible difference between brands
OIL FILTERS however, i think there are bigger differences .... you don't want a generic fram cheap paper one
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
IBankMouse
1G TSX (2004-2008)
8
06-13-2020 12:53 PM
xsilverhawkx
2G TL Problems & Fixes
5
09-28-2015 06:51 PM
STL TL-S
3G TL Problems & Fixes
9
09-23-2015 08:52 PM