Very interesting conversation with my transmission builder on the TL
#562
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
08 Transmission filters are not replaceable without dropping the trans.
#563
Instructor
Parts for ATF Filter Change AND 3rd/4th Pressure Switches
This is what I just ordered and I think/hope its right:
25450-RAY-003 ELEMENT (ATF)
25803-RAY-000 SPRING, PASSAGE (ATF)
28600-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS)
28610-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS)
90471-PW7-A00 GASKET (10MM) X2
91301-RAY-004 O-RING (48.5X2.95) (ARAI)
91302-RAY-003 FILTER, GASKET
WASHER, DRAIN PLUG (12MM) X2
Subtotal:$90.91
Shipping Charge [Shipping Charge may vary with package size / weight]: $5.00Handling Charge:$3.95Sales Tax:$0.00
Total Order : $99.86
This is what I just ordered and I think/hope its right:
25450-RAY-003 ELEMENT (ATF)
25803-RAY-000 SPRING, PASSAGE (ATF)
28600-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS)
28610-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS)
90471-PW7-A00 GASKET (10MM) X2
91301-RAY-004 O-RING (48.5X2.95) (ARAI)
91302-RAY-003 FILTER, GASKET
WASHER, DRAIN PLUG (12MM) X2
Subtotal:$90.91
Shipping Charge [Shipping Charge may vary with package size / weight]: $5.00Handling Charge:$3.95Sales Tax:$0.00
Total Order : $99.86
Last edited by hleapha; 10-13-2010 at 11:57 AM.
#565
Instructor
Thanks, I read over the DIY breifly the other day, it seems like a pretty simple job compared to what I was reading from posts. I was thinking I'd have to remove something serious, but sounds like its just the air box and such.
I finially got my girlfriends Camaro running so I can give my car a rest, it's slipping very noticably, although she barely notices it. I CRINGE when I feel it! So I will do the sensors first and see if that corrects the problem without doing the fluid. Once I determine that, I will do my 3x3 which I will do regardless. I just want to see the effects of the new sensors.
I'm still on the fence about to the 2:1 ratio or just the 3x3 will all regular Racing. If I get a case of all regular racing, I can do a 3x3 and another 1x3 10k miles later, giving me a higher percentage of Redline. OR I could get 9qts mix-match of lightweight and racing and get a more accurate ratio.... Man, I hate how I over think things!!! Someone make a decision for me!!
#566
Intermediate
98 Accord V6 tranny tuneup
Hi, I got an 98 Accord V6, and I'm going to do a tranny tuneup. Is there anything else besides the pressure switches that is worth replacing when I'm at it and doesn't require dismantling the tranny?
And does anyone know a source of the Red Line Lightweight/Racing ATF fluids in Europe? My spare parts dealer unfortunately cannot ship oils/fluids internationally and sites that sell it usually don't ship internationally at all.
And does anyone know a source of the Red Line Lightweight/Racing ATF fluids in Europe? My spare parts dealer unfortunately cannot ship oils/fluids internationally and sites that sell it usually don't ship internationally at all.
#568
Parts for ATF Filter Change AND 3rd/4th Pressure Switches
This is what I just ordered and I think/hope its right:
25450-RAY-003 ELEMENT (ATF)
25803-RAY-000 SPRING, PASSAGE (ATF)
28600-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS)
28610-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS)
90471-PW7-A00 GASKET (10MM) X2
91301-RAY-004 O-RING (48.5X2.95) (ARAI)
91302-RAY-003 FILTER, GASKET
WASHER, DRAIN PLUG (12MM) X2
Subtotal:$90.91
Shipping Charge [Shipping Charge may vary with package size / weight]: $5.00Handling Charge:$3.95Sales Tax:$0.00
Total Order : $99.86
This is what I just ordered and I think/hope its right:
25450-RAY-003 ELEMENT (ATF)
25803-RAY-000 SPRING, PASSAGE (ATF)
28600-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS)
28610-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS)
90471-PW7-A00 GASKET (10MM) X2
91301-RAY-004 O-RING (48.5X2.95) (ARAI)
91302-RAY-003 FILTER, GASKET
WASHER, DRAIN PLUG (12MM) X2
Subtotal:$90.91
Shipping Charge [Shipping Charge may vary with package size / weight]: $5.00Handling Charge:$3.95Sales Tax:$0.00
Total Order : $99.86
#569
Intermediate
I'm still on the fence about to the 2:1 ratio or just the 3x3 will all regular Racing. If I get a case of all regular racing, I can do a 3x3 and another 1x3 10k miles later, giving me a higher percentage of Redline. OR I could get 9qts mix-match of lightweight and racing and get a more accurate ratio.... Man, I hate how I over think things!!! Someone make a decision for me!![/QUOTE]
Just use all racing!!! Make it easy on yourself
Just use all racing!!! Make it easy on yourself
#570
Instructor
I'm still on the fence about to the 2:1 ratio or just the 3x3 will all regular Racing. If I get a case of all regular racing, I can do a 3x3 and another 1x3 10k miles later, giving me a higher percentage of Redline. OR I could get 9qts mix-match of lightweight and racing and get a more accurate ratio.... Man, I hate how I over think things!!! Someone make a decision for me!!
Right on man, thats what I did and it is great so far!
#572
Land of 10,000 lakes
iTrader: (2)
This is a little off topic but, does anyone know if the 6th gen Accord has sensors that can be changed on it as well? My friend just bought one and 1st and 2nd shift like total crap. He just had a transmission fluid change, it helped a little bit but not much. I know these 6th gen Accords are nitorious for their transmissions.
#573
Team Owner
Thread Starter
This is a little off topic but, does anyone know if the 6th gen Accord has sensors that can be changed on it as well? My friend just bought one and 1st and 2nd shift like total crap. He just had a transmission fluid change, it helped a little bit but not much. I know these 6th gen Accords are nitorious for their transmissions.
The Redline "racing" fluid will help out a lot on the 1-2 shift, more than the sensors.
#576
Team Owner
Thread Starter
You can mix Z1 and Redline, it won't hurt anything.
#578
FTW
I just performed a 1x3 today, took me a solid 2.5hrs as this was the single biggest DIY project I've worked on and my shifts are buttery smooth now. I think I'll attempt another 1x3 after winter and also replace the Pressure switches at the same time.
Overall conclusion = Amazing results.
Overall conclusion = Amazing results.
#580
Burning Brakes
iTrader: (3)
Alright, Ive been reading as much as I can find about our trannys, but I cant figure out what my problem is, or if I even have a major problem: My car shifts like complete ass when its cold, after it warms up for about 10 or 15 min it shifts great, but after it gets kinda hot (couple hours driving) it acts weird on downshifts.... I dont stomp on it very often, but when I do it seems to shift beautifully every time.
Background: The tranny overheated once on the highway in 5th gear right after I bought the car, I towed it home and did a 3x3 and changed the 3rd and 4th sensors and the small oem filter, and I added an external air/air cooler. The old fluid was super black and thin, probably really old. I put some cheap NAPA/Shell ATF in it cause I didnt know if it was gonna be ok or not... so it does have cheap ass non syn fluid in it now
What I was planning on doing is buying a gallon of redline racing fluid and a gal of redline d4 and mixing until I get something I like. Does that sound like a good idea? The tranny hasnt given me any overheating problems since I did the work to it, it just doesnt feel right.
Background: The tranny overheated once on the highway in 5th gear right after I bought the car, I towed it home and did a 3x3 and changed the 3rd and 4th sensors and the small oem filter, and I added an external air/air cooler. The old fluid was super black and thin, probably really old. I put some cheap NAPA/Shell ATF in it cause I didnt know if it was gonna be ok or not... so it does have cheap ass non syn fluid in it now
What I was planning on doing is buying a gallon of redline racing fluid and a gal of redline d4 and mixing until I get something I like. Does that sound like a good idea? The tranny hasnt given me any overheating problems since I did the work to it, it just doesnt feel right.
#582
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Alright, Ive been reading as much as I can find about our trannys, but I cant figure out what my problem is, or if I even have a major problem: My car shifts like complete ass when its cold, after it warms up for about 10 or 15 min it shifts great, but after it gets kinda hot (couple hours driving) it acts weird on downshifts.... I dont stomp on it very often, but when I do it seems to shift beautifully every time.
Background: The tranny overheated once on the highway in 5th gear right after I bought the car, I towed it home and did a 3x3 and changed the 3rd and 4th sensors and the small oem filter, and I added an external air/air cooler. The old fluid was super black and thin, probably really old. I put some cheap NAPA/Shell ATF in it cause I didnt know if it was gonna be ok or not... so it does have cheap ass non syn fluid in it now
What I was planning on doing is buying a gallon of redline racing fluid and a gal of redline d4 and mixing until I get something I like. Does that sound like a good idea? The tranny hasnt given me any overheating problems since I did the work to it, it just doesnt feel right.
Background: The tranny overheated once on the highway in 5th gear right after I bought the car, I towed it home and did a 3x3 and changed the 3rd and 4th sensors and the small oem filter, and I added an external air/air cooler. The old fluid was super black and thin, probably really old. I put some cheap NAPA/Shell ATF in it cause I didnt know if it was gonna be ok or not... so it does have cheap ass non syn fluid in it now
What I was planning on doing is buying a gallon of redline racing fluid and a gal of redline d4 and mixing until I get something I like. Does that sound like a good idea? The tranny hasnt given me any overheating problems since I did the work to it, it just doesnt feel right.
#584
Burning Brakes
iTrader: (3)
I did another 1x3 today while I had it in the shop, the last one I did (full 3x3)was about 3500 miles ago and there was already a good amount of crap stuck to the magnet on the drain plug. Thats not normal is it? I mean there was enough to completely cover the magnet and then some, I cleaned it before I put it in last time... The fluid didnt look bad though, still pretty clean and red and it didnt smell burnt at all.
Last time I never disconnected the batt for 20 min to let it re-learn. I did it this time and it seems to be doing a bit better. I cant feel it shift at all until the 3-4 shift and up, but it does feel kinda strange downshifting at slow speeds still sometimes.
Im gonna buy the redline type f and do a 1x3 and see how it feels after that. Thanks for the help guys Ill let you know how it turns out. I have an 8.5hr drive this week so Im gonna find out if she is ok or not then I guess
Last time I never disconnected the batt for 20 min to let it re-learn. I did it this time and it seems to be doing a bit better. I cant feel it shift at all until the 3-4 shift and up, but it does feel kinda strange downshifting at slow speeds still sometimes.
Im gonna buy the redline type f and do a 1x3 and see how it feels after that. Thanks for the help guys Ill let you know how it turns out. I have an 8.5hr drive this week so Im gonna find out if she is ok or not then I guess
#588
under renovations....
iTrader: (2)
Follow this thread for the filter install....https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/116-diy-transmission-cooler-5at-magnefine-filter-lots-pics-754752/
#589
Safety Car
Use Redline RACING fluid, and you will no longer have anything on the drain plug.
#590
Yes, this is normal for Z1 fluid. The Z1 fluid will put metal needles and black grime on the magnetic drain plug. This is visual evidence of the Z1's failure to do it's job. The metal needles are the gear's wearing and the black grime is worn away clutch material.
Use Redline RACING fluid, and you will no longer have anything on the drain plug.
Use Redline RACING fluid, and you will no longer have anything on the drain plug.
Inaccurate (and/or) IHC
Thank you for all of your informative articles and suggestions.
I have replaced 3rd/4th pressure sensor last year for my acura, which is 04 MDX. So far so good and anyway, it didn't have any issue before replacing sensors....
Now, I have read many of your links and articles following through this discussions. Please let me confirm if I can summarize your suggestion as follow
1. Pressure switch replacement is good to make sure the critical pressure point is within the spec. (not to be out of range due to aging sensors etc).
2. But, more important for transmission performance/longevity is to use "better/well-engineered" fluid.
3. If I understand correctly, using "Non FM or well-balanced FM amount" fluid is critical.
4. Too much FM is only providing comfort at the expense of premature clutch wear etc.
5. Non-FM fluid is called "Type-F", example of such Type-F fluid is Mobile1 Type-F fluid if Redline product is not "readily" available in local shop.
Do I follow ok?
Then, I have one follow-up question.
If FM is such bad idea, using Type-F fluid (or well-controlled FM amount in fluid) for "any modern auto tranny" production is good idea in general??? Not just Honda/Acura, we all know there are infamous audi tranny, dodge/chrysler etc...?
Sorry about newbie question, I am in a big learning curve....
#591
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Inaccurate (and/or) IHC
Thank you for all of your informative articles and suggestions.
I have replaced 3rd/4th pressure sensor last year for my acura, which is 04 MDX. So far so good and anyway, it didn't have any issue before replacing sensors....
Now, I have read many of your links and articles following through this discussions. Please let me confirm if I can summarize your suggestion as follow
1. Pressure switch replacement is good to make sure the critical pressure point is within the spec. (not to be out of range due to aging sensors etc).
2. But, more important for transmission performance/longevity is to use "better/well-engineered" fluid.
3. If I understand correctly, using "Non FM or well-balanced FM amount" fluid is critical.
4. Too much FM is only providing comfort at the expense of premature clutch wear etc.
5. Non-FM fluid is called "Type-F", example of such Type-F fluid is Mobile1 Type-F fluid if Redline product is not "readily" available in local shop.
Do I follow ok?
Then, I have one follow-up question.
If FM is such bad idea, using Type-F fluid (or well-controlled FM amount in fluid) for "any modern auto tranny" production is good idea in general??? Not just Honda/Acura, we all know there are infamous audi tranny, dodge/chrysler etc...?
Sorry about newbie question, I am in a big learning curve....
Thank you for all of your informative articles and suggestions.
I have replaced 3rd/4th pressure sensor last year for my acura, which is 04 MDX. So far so good and anyway, it didn't have any issue before replacing sensors....
Now, I have read many of your links and articles following through this discussions. Please let me confirm if I can summarize your suggestion as follow
1. Pressure switch replacement is good to make sure the critical pressure point is within the spec. (not to be out of range due to aging sensors etc).
2. But, more important for transmission performance/longevity is to use "better/well-engineered" fluid.
3. If I understand correctly, using "Non FM or well-balanced FM amount" fluid is critical.
4. Too much FM is only providing comfort at the expense of premature clutch wear etc.
5. Non-FM fluid is called "Type-F", example of such Type-F fluid is Mobile1 Type-F fluid if Redline product is not "readily" available in local shop.
Do I follow ok?
Then, I have one follow-up question.
If FM is such bad idea, using Type-F fluid (or well-controlled FM amount in fluid) for "any modern auto tranny" production is good idea in general??? Not just Honda/Acura, we all know there are infamous audi tranny, dodge/chrysler etc...?
Sorry about newbie question, I am in a big learning curve....
Many transmissions will have issues with Type-F. Ironically Fords seem to have the most issue. It usually shows up as torque convertor clutch shudder when the torque convertor locks.
It won't hurt anything to run the fluid but when in the testing stages you would want to try it in small amounts and work your way up. If there's no shudder, it's probably ok to run.
#595
Team Owner
Thread Starter
#597
Safety Car
Amsoil Super shift Racing ATF is a very good choice too for a Type-F fluid (click here)
#600
Burning Brakes
iTrader: (3)
Redline Racing ATF is $40 (+ about $12 shipping) for a gallon here: http://www.sparktecmotorsports.com/rl-30305.html