TL-s v.s Maxima(5.5?)
03-14-2008, 12:45 PM
#41
Originally Posted by F23A4
Same deal on my 5.5G: the UR Pulley made a noteable difference AND mitigated some of the lowend loss attributable to my CAI.
03-14-2008, 02:35 PM
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Here is something that will (or hopefully) get you all talking..
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
ACCORD COUPE EX-L
0-60 5.7
Quarter mile 14.0 sec @ 102.5 mph
ECLIPSE GT
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 100.6 mph
ALTIMA COUPE 3.5 SE
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 101.7 mph
So, yet another magazine getting 102mph+ for the Accord coupe. Now, how does that relate to the performance of a TL-S 6MT? Let's look at the power to weight ratios:
TL-S 6MT : 12.29lb/hp
Accord 6MT: 12.68lb/hp
So, TL-S obviously has a better power to weight ratio than the Accord 6MT. As others have suggested, that's one of the most important factors in determining trap speeds. Then factor in the tires, TL-S has optional wider, high performance summers tires, while the Accord uses narrower all-season crappy Michelins. I think this will help shorten its 60ft time and ET by a couple of tenths, again, this has been suggested by several members with experience in drag racing. Then look at the rim size, TL-S has lighter 17", while the Accord uses heavier 18", I believe this will have some effect in performance, but probably hardly noticeable.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
ACCORD COUPE EX-L
0-60 5.7
Quarter mile 14.0 sec @ 102.5 mph
ECLIPSE GT
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 100.6 mph
ALTIMA COUPE 3.5 SE
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 101.7 mph
So, yet another magazine getting 102mph+ for the Accord coupe. Now, how does that relate to the performance of a TL-S 6MT? Let's look at the power to weight ratios:
TL-S 6MT : 12.29lb/hp
Accord 6MT: 12.68lb/hp
So, TL-S obviously has a better power to weight ratio than the Accord 6MT. As others have suggested, that's one of the most important factors in determining trap speeds. Then factor in the tires, TL-S has optional wider, high performance summers tires, while the Accord uses narrower all-season crappy Michelins. I think this will help shorten its 60ft time and ET by a couple of tenths, again, this has been suggested by several members with experience in drag racing. Then look at the rim size, TL-S has lighter 17", while the Accord uses heavier 18", I believe this will have some effect in performance, but probably hardly noticeable.
03-14-2008, 08:54 PM
#43
Originally Posted by iforyou
Here is something that will (or hopefully) get you all talking..
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
ACCORD COUPE EX-L
0-60 5.7
Quarter mile 14.0 sec @ 102.5 mph
ECLIPSE GT
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 100.6 mph
ALTIMA COUPE 3.5 SE
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 101.7 mph
So, yet another magazine getting 102mph+ for the Accord coupe. Now, how does that relate to the performance of a TL-S 6MT? Let's look at the power to weight ratios:
TL-S 6MT : 12.29lb/hp
Accord 6MT: 12.68lb/hp
So, TL-S obviously has a better power to weight ratio than the Accord 6MT. As others have suggested, that's one of the most important factors in determining trap speeds. Then factor in the tires, TL-S has optional wider, high performance summers tires, while the Accord uses narrower all-season crappy Michelins. I think this will help shorten its 60ft time and ET by a couple of tenths, again, this has been suggested by several members with experience in drag racing. Then look at the rim size, TL-S has lighter 17", while the Accord uses heavier 18", I believe this will have some effect in performance, but probably hardly noticeable.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
ACCORD COUPE EX-L
0-60 5.7
Quarter mile 14.0 sec @ 102.5 mph
ECLIPSE GT
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 100.6 mph
ALTIMA COUPE 3.5 SE
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 101.7 mph
So, yet another magazine getting 102mph+ for the Accord coupe. Now, how does that relate to the performance of a TL-S 6MT? Let's look at the power to weight ratios:
TL-S 6MT : 12.29lb/hp
Accord 6MT: 12.68lb/hp
So, TL-S obviously has a better power to weight ratio than the Accord 6MT. As others have suggested, that's one of the most important factors in determining trap speeds. Then factor in the tires, TL-S has optional wider, high performance summers tires, while the Accord uses narrower all-season crappy Michelins. I think this will help shorten its 60ft time and ET by a couple of tenths, again, this has been suggested by several members with experience in drag racing. Then look at the rim size, TL-S has lighter 17", while the Accord uses heavier 18", I believe this will have some effect in performance, but probably hardly noticeable.
03-14-2008, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Here is something that will (or hopefully) get you all talking..
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
ACCORD COUPE EX-L
0-60 5.7
Quarter mile 14.0 sec @ 102.5 mph
ECLIPSE GT
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 100.6 mph
ALTIMA COUPE 3.5 SE
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 101.7 mph
So, yet another magazine getting 102mph+ for the Accord coupe. Now, how does that relate to the performance of a TL-S 6MT? Let's look at the power to weight ratios:
TL-S 6MT : 12.29lb/hp
Accord 6MT: 12.68lb/hp
So, TL-S obviously has a better power to weight ratio than the Accord 6MT. As others have suggested, that's one of the most important factors in determining trap speeds. Then factor in the tires, TL-S has optional wider, high performance summers tires, while the Accord uses narrower all-season crappy Michelins. I think this will help shorten its 60ft time and ET by a couple of tenths, again, this has been suggested by several members with experience in drag racing. Then look at the rim size, TL-S has lighter 17", while the Accord uses heavier 18", I believe this will have some effect in performance, but probably hardly noticeable.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
ACCORD COUPE EX-L
0-60 5.7
Quarter mile 14.0 sec @ 102.5 mph
ECLIPSE GT
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 100.6 mph
ALTIMA COUPE 3.5 SE
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 101.7 mph
So, yet another magazine getting 102mph+ for the Accord coupe. Now, how does that relate to the performance of a TL-S 6MT? Let's look at the power to weight ratios:
TL-S 6MT : 12.29lb/hp
Accord 6MT: 12.68lb/hp
So, TL-S obviously has a better power to weight ratio than the Accord 6MT. As others have suggested, that's one of the most important factors in determining trap speeds. Then factor in the tires, TL-S has optional wider, high performance summers tires, while the Accord uses narrower all-season crappy Michelins. I think this will help shorten its 60ft time and ET by a couple of tenths, again, this has been suggested by several members with experience in drag racing. Then look at the rim size, TL-S has lighter 17", while the Accord uses heavier 18", I believe this will have some effect in performance, but probably hardly noticeable.
03-15-2008, 12:09 PM
#47
Originally Posted by abuckfifd
Those numbers seem alittle off for both the altima and accord
Actually for the Altima that time is a little slow. I have already seen a stock 07 3.5L Altima Sedan 6spd run a 14.2@100MPH on nissanclub.com. The Coupe weighs about 50lbs less. So its likely a coupe would run arounds the same time if not a tenth better than the sedan.
The accord seems like if it could get more traction that 13.8 or 13.9 wouldn't be out of the question. Maybe some summer tires instead of the all season michelins.
03-15-2008, 12:18 PM
#49
Originally Posted by iforyou
Here is something that will (or hopefully) get you all talking..
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
ACCORD COUPE EX-L
0-60 5.7
Quarter mile 14.0 sec @ 102.5 mph
ECLIPSE GT
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 100.6 mph
ALTIMA COUPE 3.5 SE
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 101.7 mph
So, yet another magazine getting 102mph+ for the Accord coupe. Now, how does that relate to the performance of a TL-S 6MT? Let's look at the power to weight ratios:
TL-S 6MT : 12.29lb/hp
Accord 6MT: 12.68lb/hp
So, TL-S obviously has a better power to weight ratio than the Accord 6MT. As others have suggested, that's one of the most important factors in determining trap speeds. Then factor in the tires, TL-S has optional wider, high performance summers tires, while the Accord uses narrower all-season crappy Michelins. I think this will help shorten its 60ft time and ET by a couple of tenths, again, this has been suggested by several members with experience in drag racing. Then look at the rim size, TL-S has lighter 17", while the Accord uses heavier 18", I believe this will have some effect in performance, but probably hardly noticeable.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
ACCORD COUPE EX-L
0-60 5.7
Quarter mile 14.0 sec @ 102.5 mph
ECLIPSE GT
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 100.6 mph
ALTIMA COUPE 3.5 SE
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 101.7 mph
So, yet another magazine getting 102mph+ for the Accord coupe. Now, how does that relate to the performance of a TL-S 6MT? Let's look at the power to weight ratios:
TL-S 6MT : 12.29lb/hp
Accord 6MT: 12.68lb/hp
So, TL-S obviously has a better power to weight ratio than the Accord 6MT. As others have suggested, that's one of the most important factors in determining trap speeds. Then factor in the tires, TL-S has optional wider, high performance summers tires, while the Accord uses narrower all-season crappy Michelins. I think this will help shorten its 60ft time and ET by a couple of tenths, again, this has been suggested by several members with experience in drag racing. Then look at the rim size, TL-S has lighter 17", while the Accord uses heavier 18", I believe this will have some effect in performance, but probably hardly noticeable.
03-15-2008, 01:03 PM
#50
Originally Posted by F23A4
Injen's dynochart does appear to betray some HP loss with their CAI and the 3G TL, until the 4k rpm mark is reached: LINK
03-15-2008, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SatinSilverAV6
The Accord is a bit underrated as far as HP and TQ go. Its much closer to the TL-S on a dyno then it is on paper. A 6spd 08 Accord V6 just dynoed on Temple of VTEC at 239.5WHP and 224WTQ with only 3000 miles on it. The TL-S has the higher compression which gives it the slight advantage but other than that the motors seem to be identical. Too bad the accord didn't get the LSD from the TL-S.
03-16-2008, 02:21 PM
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lol, why? they think..or they THOUGHT they could take on your car?
Have you seen the Motortrend comparison test of the Accord, Altima, and Eclipse? All of them are V6 6MT. I already posted the numbers on the other thread, I think you posted on there too, not too sure though, but if not, here are the numbers for the Accord and Altima:
Accord: 0-60: 5.7, 1/4: 14@102.5mph
Altima: 0-60: 5.8, 1/4: 14.3@101.7mph
I think if you race the 6MT Altima, you will most likely lose, provided the driver can launch and shift properly.
Have you seen the Motortrend comparison test of the Accord, Altima, and Eclipse? All of them are V6 6MT. I already posted the numbers on the other thread, I think you posted on there too, not too sure though, but if not, here are the numbers for the Accord and Altima:
Accord: 0-60: 5.7, 1/4: 14@102.5mph
Altima: 0-60: 5.8, 1/4: 14.3@101.7mph
I think if you race the 6MT Altima, you will most likely lose, provided the driver can launch and shift properly.
03-20-2008, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
lol, why? they think..or they THOUGHT they could take on your car?
Have you seen the Motortrend comparison test of the Accord, Altima, and Eclipse? All of them are V6 6MT. I already posted the numbers on the other thread, I think you posted on there too, not too sure though, but if not, here are the numbers for the Accord and Altima:
Accord: 0-60: 5.7, 1/4: 14@102.5mph
Altima: 0-60: 5.8, 1/4: 14.3@101.7mph
I think if you race the 6MT Altima, you will most likely lose, provided the driver can launch and shift properly.
Have you seen the Motortrend comparison test of the Accord, Altima, and Eclipse? All of them are V6 6MT. I already posted the numbers on the other thread, I think you posted on there too, not too sure though, but if not, here are the numbers for the Accord and Altima:
Accord: 0-60: 5.7, 1/4: 14@102.5mph
Altima: 0-60: 5.8, 1/4: 14.3@101.7mph
I think if you race the 6MT Altima, you will most likely lose, provided the driver can launch and shift properly.
03-20-2008, 07:37 PM
#59
Originally Posted by iforyou
awesome! I'd really like to see a dyno of the AT TL-S!
03-21-2008, 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Soseductivesf
It will be with mods of course but I want to see if its possible to get high 13's w/o f.i... maybe with the j-pipe and some reliable high flow cats..
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03-23-2008, 06:31 AM
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Sorry for the delay; I was away for a bit.
Originally Posted by dr_brains510
do you even feel that hp loss? b/c I've got an INJEN CAI on my 07 type s and i it feels a bit slow from 0-3k rpm but still faster than the stock one from 0-3k rpm but when it reaches 4.5-5k rpm it just kicks in and takes off.
03-26-2008, 11:34 AM
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I have some suggestions... .
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03-26-2008, 11:37 AM
#65
Originally Posted by Soseductivesf
I think my auto TL-S can see high 13's with the j-pipe, custom exhaust and a reliable set of Cats.. I will try to dyno today to see what i'm pushing
03-26-2008, 11:42 AM
#66
Originally Posted by dr_brains510
please do...i've got the same setup for now minus the AEM CAI (I've got INJEN)
03-26-2008, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SatinSilverAV6
The Accord is a bit underrated as far as HP and TQ go. Its much closer to the TL-S on a dyno then it is on paper. A 6spd 08 Accord V6 just dynoed on Temple of VTEC at 239.5WHP and 224WTQ with only 3000 miles on it. The TL-S has the higher compression which gives it the slight advantage but other than that the motors seem to be identical. Too bad the accord didn't get the LSD from the TL-S.
03-26-2008, 08:55 PM
#69
Originally Posted by anx1300c
That doesn't surprise me at all. Back in '04 TOV got 223 whp from a 270hp rated TL6MT and 216 or 217 from a 240hp rated Accord. They're afraid to publish the real numbers for the Accord since they can't have an Accord being so close to the mighty TL on paper; it's just BS politics.
03-26-2008, 09:23 PM
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TOV uses the same dynojet, they also include correction factors in their testing. Of course, there are still some variables, but that's really as close as you can get.
03-26-2008, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nova_G
not necessarily, different dynos different numbers. also the countless variables that could affect the numbers. as far as i'm concerned peak numbers from a dyno is pointless and does not prove anything.
03-26-2008, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
TOV uses the same dynojet, they also include correction factors in their testing. Of course, there are still some variables, but that's really as close as you can get.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=719873
but after reading the article the accord does seem very promising. if the new accord responds to mods like the RSX-S or the 2nd gen TL it will be a force to be reckoned with.
03-26-2008, 10:05 PM
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http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=721178
This is the one I'm referring to, they also provide the plot of TL-S.
The Dynopack one I believe is from Church's Automotive, not TOV.
The dynopack would read higher because it does not measure wheel hp, rather, it measures HUB hp, ie, with the wheels off.
Dynojet on the other hand measures wheel hp.
This is the one I'm referring to, they also provide the plot of TL-S.
The Dynopack one I believe is from Church's Automotive, not TOV.
The dynopack would read higher because it does not measure wheel hp, rather, it measures HUB hp, ie, with the wheels off.
Dynojet on the other hand measures wheel hp.
03-26-2008, 10:27 PM
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but from what i understand dynojet also reads a little higher than other dynos i.e dyno dynamics/mustang dyno? i remember a few times where a couple g35's were dynoing over 20+ hp on a dynojet compared to a DD or mustang dyno. o well nonetheless that pretty impressive.
03-27-2008, 12:25 AM
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Well I took my heat soaked 08 TL-S(driving for a 1 hour) to be dynoed today( don't know why I didn't let it cool down 
) but I got 239WHP and 198 torque.. their dyno didn't record on the first 2 tries (246 and then 242) and kept getting lower... i asked the guy if that affected the numbers and he said "not really".. It was dynojet w/ 2 fans..didn't get the air/fuel ratio
) but I got 239WHP and 198 torque.. their dyno didn't record on the first 2 tries (246 and then 242) and kept getting lower... i asked the guy if that affected the numbers and he said "not really".. It was dynojet w/ 2 fans..didn't get the air/fuel ratio
03-27-2008, 01:04 AM
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According to TOV though, it matters a lot. It's much better if you let your car cool down first. With that said, those are still awesome numbers for 5AT, considering 6MT could only get 253whp, but then again that 253whp was based on a fairly new car.
03-27-2008, 01:11 AM
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This is what Shawn Church of Church's Automotive said, regarding the dyno test for the 2008 Accord V6 5AT,
"Honda has a special function that's designed to preserve the health of the catalytic converter - when exhaust gas temps (and thus the catalyst) begin to get too hot, the engine computer will momentarily richen the mixture to cool the EGTs. This is believed to be the source of the dip in power up top."
"Honda has a special function that's designed to preserve the health of the catalytic converter - when exhaust gas temps (and thus the catalyst) begin to get too hot, the engine computer will momentarily richen the mixture to cool the EGTs. This is believed to be the source of the dip in power up top."
03-27-2008, 09:33 AM
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Good numbers!! 
Quick question: shouldn't a stock auto TLS be putting down atleast 235-245 whp? If so, your numbers are right on the money. I remember Blackura getting 261 whp on his auto TLS w/ the same mods plus the ATLP. I just don't know why the torque number is low. Anyways, good numbers man.
Quick question: shouldn't a stock auto TLS be putting down atleast 235-245 whp? If so, your numbers are right on the money. I remember Blackura getting 261 whp on his auto TLS w/ the same mods plus the ATLP. I just don't know why the torque number is low. Anyways, good numbers man.