TL-s v.s Maxima(5.5?)
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Well, I guess I can bring this up here. I just came back from the track and witnessed a 5AT 07-08 TL-S make a couple of runs both 14.9 seconds 93-94mph each run. Between the times I have witnessed for 2G and 3G TLs as well as my own 07 AV6, I am convinced that the AT in each seriously saps the performance of the J series.
Sidenote: My son also ran his 05 Altima 3.5SE 5MT tonight for the first time and posted a best time of 14.4 sec @ 96mph.
Sidenote: My son also ran his 05 Altima 3.5SE 5MT tonight for the first time and posted a best time of 14.4 sec @ 96mph.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Well, I guess I can bring this up here. I just came back from the track and witnessed a 5AT 07-08 TL-S make a couple of runs both 14.9 seconds 93-94mph each run. Between the times I have witnessed for 2G and 3G TLs as well as my own 07 AV6, I am convinced that the AT in each seriously saps the performance of the J series.
Sidenote: My son also ran his 05 Altima 3.5SE 5MT tonight for the first time and posted a best time of 14.4 sec @ 96mph.
Sidenote: My son also ran his 05 Altima 3.5SE 5MT tonight for the first time and posted a best time of 14.4 sec @ 96mph.
what kind of av6 you have? sedan? coupe? AT? MT? curious as to how it runs in comparison to a 5.5 gen maxi or 2nd gen tl-s in terms of performance... i was thinkin of trading up for one recently but decided on no car payments and i thought i remembered reading you previously owned a 5.5 gen maxi.
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That's interesting as Jeff at TOV managed 0-60 in 6.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds@96-97mph in a 2004 TL 5AT. It's as fast as the 7th gen AV6 6MT sedan he tested. I guess he really knows how to drive a 5AT TL.
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[QUOTE=F23A4] I just came back from the track and witnessed a 5AT 07-08 TL-S make a couple of runs both 14.9 seconds 93-94mph each run.
well Bearcat94 did 14.3 w/ his 5AT TLS; so depends a lot on driver
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=169327&page=2
well Bearcat94 did 14.3 w/ his 5AT TLS; so depends a lot on driver
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=169327&page=2
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I just came back from the track and witnessed a 5AT 07-08 TL-S make a couple of runs both 14.9 seconds 93-94mph each run.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=169327&page=2
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According to Dave B though that was a fast track. But yea, depends a lot on the driver and conditions. I think 14.5 in a TL-S is highly attainable considering even a normal TL 5AT can get 14.5.
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Originally Posted by 03bl AC k CL
05 altima 3.5 has 6mt... typo im assuming just saying for those who might not know
SE-R 6MT
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what kind of av6 you have? sedan? coupe? AT? MT? curious as to how it runs in comparison to a 5.5 gen maxi or 2nd gen tl-s in terms of performance... i was thinkin of trading up for one recently but decided on no car payments and i thought i remembered reading you previously owned a 5.5 gen maxi.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
According to Dave B though that was a fast track. But yea, depends a lot on the driver and conditions. I think 14.5 in a TL-S is highly attainable considering even a normal TL 5AT can get 14.5.
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Yea, that's what I thought too, cause no way a 04 TL 5AT would be 0.3s quicker than the 2nd gen TL-S. But this is what Jeff said,
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based upon our instrumented testing, the Accord 6MT sedan ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds. With no limited slip the car was struggling mightily with the 60ft times The Accord V6 5AT is a bit behind at 7.0 seconds - it launches pretty softly. The '04 TL 6MT we tested ran 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.2@98mph. The '04 TL 5AT ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds@96-97mph. The '05 RSX Type S was good for a 0-60 of 6.1 seconds. We haven't tested a TL Type S 6MT against a clock yet but I've driven both the 6MT and 5AT '07 TL-S and once you get it out of the hole I can assure you that the TL-S will stomp an Accord 5AT or 6MT. On the roll the Accord V6 vs a 3.2TL is pretty close."
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...page_number=2&
I guess may be there instruments aren't that great? But the times for TL 6MT, RSX-S, are right on so that shouldn't be a reason. Also, he said the the 5AT AV6 is pretty slow (0-60 in 7s), which is definitely in line with what you saying, "it launches very softly," in other words, the Maxima would smoke it. I guess may be he got lucky with that 14.5s run with the 5AT TL.
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based upon our instrumented testing, the Accord 6MT sedan ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds. With no limited slip the car was struggling mightily with the 60ft times The Accord V6 5AT is a bit behind at 7.0 seconds - it launches pretty softly. The '04 TL 6MT we tested ran 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.2@98mph. The '04 TL 5AT ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds@96-97mph. The '05 RSX Type S was good for a 0-60 of 6.1 seconds. We haven't tested a TL Type S 6MT against a clock yet but I've driven both the 6MT and 5AT '07 TL-S and once you get it out of the hole I can assure you that the TL-S will stomp an Accord 5AT or 6MT. On the roll the Accord V6 vs a 3.2TL is pretty close."
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...page_number=2&
I guess may be there instruments aren't that great? But the times for TL 6MT, RSX-S, are right on so that shouldn't be a reason. Also, he said the the 5AT AV6 is pretty slow (0-60 in 7s), which is definitely in line with what you saying, "it launches very softly," in other words, the Maxima would smoke it. I guess may be he got lucky with that 14.5s run with the 5AT TL.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Yea, that's what I thought too, cause no way a 04 TL 5AT would be 0.3s quicker than the 2nd gen TL-S. But this is what Jeff said,
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based upon our instrumented testing, the Accord 6MT sedan ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds. With no limited slip the car was struggling mightily with the 60ft times The Accord V6 5AT is a bit behind at 7.0 seconds - it launches pretty softly. The '04 TL 6MT we tested ran 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.2@98mph. The '04 TL 5AT ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds@96-97mph. The '05 RSX Type S was good for a 0-60 of 6.1 seconds. We haven't tested a TL Type S 6MT against a clock yet but I've driven both the 6MT and 5AT '07 TL-S and once you get it out of the hole I can assure you that the TL-S will stomp an Accord 5AT or 6MT. On the roll the Accord V6 vs a 3.2TL is pretty close."
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...page_number=2&
I guess may be there instruments aren't that great? But the times for TL 6MT, RSX-S, are right on so that shouldn't be a reason. Also, he said the the 5AT AV6 is pretty slow (0-60 in 7s), which is definitely in line with what you saying, "it launches very softly," in other words, the Maxima would smoke it. I guess may be he got lucky with that 14.5s run with the 5AT TL.
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based upon our instrumented testing, the Accord 6MT sedan ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds. With no limited slip the car was struggling mightily with the 60ft times The Accord V6 5AT is a bit behind at 7.0 seconds - it launches pretty softly. The '04 TL 6MT we tested ran 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.2@98mph. The '04 TL 5AT ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds@96-97mph. The '05 RSX Type S was good for a 0-60 of 6.1 seconds. We haven't tested a TL Type S 6MT against a clock yet but I've driven both the 6MT and 5AT '07 TL-S and once you get it out of the hole I can assure you that the TL-S will stomp an Accord 5AT or 6MT. On the roll the Accord V6 vs a 3.2TL is pretty close."
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...page_number=2&
I guess may be there instruments aren't that great? But the times for TL 6MT, RSX-S, are right on so that shouldn't be a reason. Also, he said the the 5AT AV6 is pretty slow (0-60 in 7s), which is definitely in line with what you saying, "it launches very softly," in other words, the Maxima would smoke it. I guess may be he got lucky with that 14.5s run with the 5AT TL.
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hahaha I just want to know what these cars are capable of, and I simply enjoy researching on them....or may be I just have too much time on hand....:P And yea there are too many factors...like my other post, wind speed alone will give or rob a lot of power.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
3.5SE 5MT
SE-R 6MT
SE-R 6MT
i stand corrected
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Yea, that's what I thought too, cause no way a 04 TL 5AT would be 0.3s quicker than the 2nd gen TL-S. But this is what Jeff said,
"
based upon our instrumented testing, the Accord 6MT sedan ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds. With no limited slip the car was struggling mightily with the 60ft times The Accord V6 5AT is a bit behind at 7.0 seconds - it launches pretty softly. The '04 TL 6MT we tested ran 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.2@98mph. The '04 TL 5AT ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds@96-97mph. The '05 RSX Type S was good for a 0-60 of 6.1 seconds. We haven't tested a TL Type S 6MT against a clock yet but I've driven both the 6MT and 5AT '07 TL-S and once you get it out of the hole I can assure you that the TL-S will stomp an Accord 5AT or 6MT. On the roll the Accord V6 vs a 3.2TL is pretty close."
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...page_number=2&
I guess may be there instruments aren't that great? But the times for TL 6MT, RSX-S, are right on so that shouldn't be a reason. Also, he said the the 5AT AV6 is pretty slow (0-60 in 7s), which is definitely in line with what you saying, "it launches very softly," in other words, the Maxima would smoke it. I guess may be he got lucky with that 14.5s run with the 5AT TL.
"
based upon our instrumented testing, the Accord 6MT sedan ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds. With no limited slip the car was struggling mightily with the 60ft times The Accord V6 5AT is a bit behind at 7.0 seconds - it launches pretty softly. The '04 TL 6MT we tested ran 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.2@98mph. The '04 TL 5AT ran 0-60 in 6.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds@96-97mph. The '05 RSX Type S was good for a 0-60 of 6.1 seconds. We haven't tested a TL Type S 6MT against a clock yet but I've driven both the 6MT and 5AT '07 TL-S and once you get it out of the hole I can assure you that the TL-S will stomp an Accord 5AT or 6MT. On the roll the Accord V6 vs a 3.2TL is pretty close."
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...page_number=2&
I guess may be there instruments aren't that great? But the times for TL 6MT, RSX-S, are right on so that shouldn't be a reason. Also, he said the the 5AT AV6 is pretty slow (0-60 in 7s), which is definitely in line with what you saying, "it launches very softly," in other words, the Maxima would smoke it. I guess may be he got lucky with that 14.5s run with the 5AT TL.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Also, he said the the 5AT AV6 is pretty slow (0-60 in 7s), which is definitely in line with what you saying, "it launches very softly," in other words, the Maxima would smoke it. I guess may be he got lucky with that 14.5s run with the 5AT TL.
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Originally Posted by 03bl AC k CL
wow... really?? i assumed b/c of the 02-06 3.5 maxi's coming with a 6mt i guess... well you know what happens when you assume...
i stand corrected
i stand corrected
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Originally Posted by SatinSilverAV6
The 5AT AV6 seems to average about 7seconds flat. The times range from about 6.5-7.5. I have seen 1/4 mile times all over the place from 14.8 stock to 16.3 stock. It seems to me that the 03-05's are quicker than the 06-07's based on 1/4 mile times that I have seen. I know track cond. and elevation play a key roll.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I kept bogging down at launch when I did run my AV6. I really believe that if it were not for that, I probably could hit low 15s and maybe upper 14s.
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Yea, at the of the day, there are just way to many factors to consider. Really? the 03-05's are a bit faster? I would've thought the 06-07 should be a little bit faster with a few more hp.
Does the Altima really need an extra cog though? With that much torque down low and in the midrange, I would imagine that should be enough. The Accord on the other hand, or any J30 and J32 would need some more low end grunt, otherwise bogging down would happen a lot.
Ah, I just noticed you (satinsilverav6) has a...AV6 (how did I miss that..it's your name..), what times did you get, and I'd assume it's 6MT?
Does the Altima really need an extra cog though? With that much torque down low and in the midrange, I would imagine that should be enough. The Accord on the other hand, or any J30 and J32 would need some more low end grunt, otherwise bogging down would happen a lot.
Ah, I just noticed you (satinsilverav6) has a...AV6 (how did I miss that..it's your name..), what times did you get, and I'd assume it's 6MT?
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Yea, at the of the day, there are just way to many factors to consider. Really? the 03-05's are a bit faster? I would've thought the 06-07 should be a little bit faster with a few more hp.
Does the Altima really need an extra cog though? With that much torque down low and in the midrange, I would imagine that should be enough. The Accord on the other hand, or any J30 and J32 would need some more low end grunt, otherwise bogging down would happen a lot.
Ah, I just noticed you (satinsilverav6) has a...AV6 (how did I miss that..it's your name..), what times did you get, and I'd assume it's 6MT?
Does the Altima really need an extra cog though? With that much torque down low and in the midrange, I would imagine that should be enough. The Accord on the other hand, or any J30 and J32 would need some more low end grunt, otherwise bogging down would happen a lot.
Ah, I just noticed you (satinsilverav6) has a...AV6 (how did I miss that..it's your name..), what times did you get, and I'd assume it's 6MT?
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Yea, at the of the day, there are just way to many factors to consider. Really? the 03-05's are a bit faster? I would've thought the 06-07 should be a little bit faster with a few more hp.
Does the Altima really need an extra cog though? With that much torque down low and in the midrange, I would imagine that should be enough. The Accord on the other hand, or any J30 and J32 would need some more low end grunt, otherwise bogging down would happen a lot.
Ah, I just noticed you (satinsilverav6) has a...AV6 (how did I miss that..it's your name..), what times did you get, and I'd assume it's 6MT?
Does the Altima really need an extra cog though? With that much torque down low and in the midrange, I would imagine that should be enough. The Accord on the other hand, or any J30 and J32 would need some more low end grunt, otherwise bogging down would happen a lot.
Ah, I just noticed you (satinsilverav6) has a...AV6 (how did I miss that..it's your name..), what times did you get, and I'd assume it's 6MT?
I have a auto. I have only ran at the track here in Tucson. SIR sits at 3075ft and its not the best track for great times but its not bad. I ran a 15.5 stock @91MPH and now I am down to 15.2's@93MPH. So at sea level I would probobly be in the mid 14's. I did take out a 04 Maxi 5AT SE here that was stock!
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I think the 06-07 were tested using the newer SAE Standards, smiliar to the TL, 270hp vs 258hp deal. I'd imagine the changes would be more if it was tested under the old system...I don't know..just guessing..
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Originally Posted by iforyou
I think the 06-07 were tested using the newer SAE Standards, smiliar to the TL, 270hp vs 258hp deal. I'd imagine the changes would be more if it was tested under the old system...I don't know..just guessing..
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Originally Posted by iforyou
I think the 06-07 were tested using the newer SAE Standards, smiliar to the TL, 270hp vs 258hp deal. I'd imagine the changes would be more if it was tested under the old system...I don't know..just guessing..
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Originally Posted by F23A4
That is part of the equation but their were a couple of improvements to the intake and exhaust systems between the 7G and 7.5G models which lend itself to the power increase. As with the TL, a straight SAE NET application to the 03-05 AV6 probably would have resulted in a lower reported hp/lb-ft for 2006.
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These dynos were taken from VTEC.net and stevetec put the TL and the Accord together.
http://home.comcast.net/~stevtecv6/d...ompare_med.gif
http://home.comcast.net/~stevtecv6/d...ompare_med.gif
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Yea, something like 230hp?
Originally Posted by SatinSilverAV6
I don't believe that the 03-05's would have had a lower HP and TQ in the new SAE standards. Stock 6spds are putting down close to 220whp and the autos close to 192-196WHP. After seeing what these cars dyno stock the 240HP rating and 212TQ rating are right on. Check out all of the dynos on V6 performance . net
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Originally Posted by F23A4
That is my hunch.
When Honda went to the updated SAE-Net standard EVERY pre-existing J-series was downrated with the exception of the Accord V6 (which underwent an intake/exhaust upgrade from the 05 to the 06 model years): TL (270hp>258hp), RL (300hp>290hp), Pilot (255hp>244hp), Odyssey (255hp>244hp), MDX (265hp>253hp) and AV6H (255hp>253hp).
When Honda went to the updated SAE-Net standard EVERY pre-existing J-series was downrated with the exception of the Accord V6 (which underwent an intake/exhaust upgrade from the 05 to the 06 model years): TL (270hp>258hp), RL (300hp>290hp), Pilot (255hp>244hp), Odyssey (255hp>244hp), MDX (265hp>253hp) and AV6H (255hp>253hp).
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Originally Posted by SatinSilverAV6
I don't disagree that every other pre-existing J-series was overrated however that doesn't mean that the J30A4 would be part of that overrated figure just because its a j-series. The dynos prove that the J30A4 was making the 240+HP figure. Even the 02-03 TL-S which we know didn't make 260HP(probobly 240-245HP) to the crank put down about the same WHP as the 03-05 AV6 auto does. Also the 255HP 5.5 gen maxima 4AT and 240HP altima 4AT put down less WHP than a 03-05 AV6. My buddy that did dyno his stock 4AT Altima put down 190WHP and 210TQ. I think you know as well that the Maxi wasn't at 255 but more like 240hp like the altima. The 03-05 accords are definantly making more than the 230hp because the 6spds wouldn't be putting down 215-220WHP stock and the autos range between 192WHP-196WHP stock. I also haven't seen a dyno for a 06-07 accord that supports that 14hp (10WHP gain) over the 03-05's. The 4HP seems accurate for minor Intake and exhaust revisions. Its definantly not free flowing like my I/E setup is.
As for the A33/FFL VQ35DEs, it is true that the HP numbers were overrated but then again, the lb-ft number were grossly underrated. So that is a wash (of sorts).
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Originally Posted by F23A4
As evidenced by the AV6H (whose power reduction was a mere 2hp), it is possible that the J30A4-J30A5 "SAE-loss" could have been just as negligible.
As for the A33/FFL VQ35DEs, it is true that the HP numbers were overrated but then again, the lb-ft number were grossly underrated. So that is a wash (of sorts).
As for the A33/FFL VQ35DEs, it is true that the HP numbers were overrated but then again, the lb-ft number were grossly underrated. So that is a wash (of sorts).
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Update on son's 05 Alti 3.5SE
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Sidenote: My son also ran his 05 Altima 3.5SE 5MT tonight for the first time and posted a best time of 14.4 sec @ 96mph.
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Originally Posted by SatinSilverAV6
Is he all stock? Nice time!
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Is it true that the new Altima's with CVT are really that slow? I've seen numerous videos that the 0-100mph is even slower than a 2nd gen Type S. I thought Nissan claims that CVT is better because it can keep the engine running at the most optimum speed and shifting is not required thus faster.....