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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 09:42 PM
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TL-S....explain...

When I drove a RSX-S I knew the difference between the base model and the S, now I know a friend from work that has a 2000 TL type S and is an automatic and has the same engine as a regular 2000 TL.
Now without causing any debates I ask why has the 3rd Gen TL not be bagged a "Type S" when it was being sold as a "stick" since it appears that is"sportier/faster" than the automatic, or even more why didn't the "A-Spec" become the "Type S".
What does the A stand for in A-Spec...????
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 09:53 PM
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1) 2000 year model did not offer Type S.
2) 2001 Type P-225 HP.......2002 Type S 260 HP
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 10:14 PM
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Maybe in 07
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by HEK
When I drove a RSX-S I knew the difference between the base model and the S, now I know a friend from work that has a 2000 TL type S and is an automatic and has the same engine as a regular 2000 TL.
Now without causing any debates I ask why has the 3rd Gen TL not be bagged a "Type S" when it was being sold as a "stick" since it appears that is"sportier/faster" than the automatic, or even more why didn't the "A-Spec" become the "Type S".
What does the A stand for in A-Spec...????
Well, if you're a GT4 enthusiast, you would know that A-spec means you do the actual driving, whereas B-spec lets you command the simulation driver. In other words, you're not actually driving in B-spec. A-spec implies that it's driver-engaging and true driving.

And there was no Type-S in 2000. It was first introduced on the 2002 model, carried over to 2003, then it was gone. Type-S moniker has been dropped and Acura had already made the transition with the 2003 Canadian model TL when it introduced the A-spec package only available on the Type-S. As you can see with the 3G TL, Type-S is no longer available and A-spec is its replacement.

As far as the Type-S label is concerned, the '02-'03 TL Type-S just may be the rarest Type-S of all, being in production for only 2 years.

As for why the manual transmission version of the 3G TL was not badged the Type-S... well, a drivetrain choice isn't exactly qualified to be a trim level. It's merely a choice of transmission along with a front brake upgrade and a larger diameter rear sway bar. On the 2G TL, the Type-S had many many upgrades done, primarily in the engine.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 11:21 PM
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 12:26 AM
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"A" in A-Spec stands for American.
American-Spec as in Specialty tuned model by Honda of America.
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by King Leo
"A" in A-Spec stands for American.
American-Spec as in Specialty tuned model by Honda of America.
*LOL*

Er...no.
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 01:44 AM
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A-Spec implies a high performance variant of a car. It can also mean the highest level of amateur racing competition. B-spec, of course, is a step below for the less experienced drivers, or for a lower level variant of a car.

HOWEVER, these terms can also be used to indicate market sectors. For instance, J-spec is used to indicate a Japanese spec.

In other words, I guess it really depends on how you use it. But common sense would dictate that in case of the TL A-spec, it is used to indicate a high performance variant of the car, not American.

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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
A-Spec implies a high performance variant of a car. It can also mean the highest level of amateur racing competition. B-spec, of course, is a step below for the less experienced drivers, or for a lower level variant of a car.

HOWEVER, these terms can also be used to indicate market sectors. For instance, J-spec is used to indicate a Japanese spec.

In other words, I guess it really depends on how you use it. But common sense would dictate that in case of the TL A-spec, it is used to indicate a high performance variant of the car, not American.

You're much closer to the mark.

"A-Spec" is indeed a moniker used by Japanese automakers to denote a high-performance variant. It's actually rather unoriginal of Honda to slap the A-Spec label on their North American Acura line-up; Mazda has used the same name for years in its JDM cars. I guess Honda/Acura figured since Mazda never exported the name to its North American product line, no one would mind/notice. Fortunately, some of us older folks have memories that haven't completely failed yet.
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 07:25 AM
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I wish they had something on the cars (besides brembo's) to mark the 6 speed models. When out driving and seeing another TL, the wife and I always try to find out if the other car is also a 6 speed.
I think we have seen two 6 speeds on the road so far....
One was being driven by a middle age woman, maybe the only other one in NJ besides my wife who likes a manual better than an automatic?

Brett
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by King Leo
"A" in A-Spec stands for American.
American-Spec as in Specialty tuned model by Honda of America.


So why were they sold in Canada? j/k

Originally Posted by SebringSilver
Mazda has used the same name for years in its JDM cars
I didn't know this. Thanks for the info....
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
Well, if you're a GT4 enthusiast, you would know that A-spec means you do the actual driving, whereas B-spec lets you command the simulation driver. In other words, you're not actually driving in B-spec. A-spec implies that it's driver-engaging and true driving.

And there was no Type-S in 2000. It was first introduced on the 2002 model, carried over to 2003, then it was gone. Type-S moniker has been dropped and Acura had already made the transition with the 2003 Canadian model TL when it introduced the A-spec package only available on the Type-S. As you can see with the 3G TL, Type-S is no longer available and A-spec is its replacement.

As far as the Type-S label is concerned, the '02-'03 TL Type-S just may be the rarest Type-S of all, being in production for only 2 years.

As for why the manual transmission version of the 3G TL was not badged the Type-S... well, a drivetrain choice isn't exactly qualified to be a trim level. It's merely a choice of transmission along with a front brake upgrade and a larger diameter rear sway bar. On the 2G TL, the Type-S had many many upgrades done, primarily in the engine.
Thanks for the reply, I knew I had the years wrong as today here at work I spoke with him, but anyways makes sense, it would be nice to be able to buy a Type S as a choice of models, I know I would have bought one..
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SebringSilver
*LOL*

Er...no.

hahaha...
should I grab a flame suite???

it was an educated guess, based on the fact that the 3g tl is a north american exclusive model...

ohh well....
at least now I know what up...
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by King Leo
hahaha...
should I grab a flame suite???

it was an educated guess, based on the fact that the 3g tl is a north american exclusive model...

ohh well....
at least now I know what up...
Actually, I should apologize for sounding curt. Your guess was very clever, to be honest.

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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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I Thought A-Spec meant Another Speculation
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by HEK
Thanks for the reply, I knew I had the years wrong as today here at work I spoke with him, but anyways makes sense, it would be nice to be able to buy a Type S as a choice of models, I know I would have bought one..

Your TLs are still missing the Type-S head and Dual stage TB.
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 05:22 PM
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Bad reputation pertaining to FAILED TRANSMISSIONS (Type S models) ! Btw: the 2001 CL Type S was the first introduction Type S.......

Every notice that all Acura signs were changed from RED lettering (sporty) to boring navy blue ? Every notice the auto keys no longer have RED and went to conservative white letters ? The marketing guys at Honda/Acura are on crack !
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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One was being driven by a middle age woman, maybe the only other one in NJ besides my wife who likes a manual better than an automatic?

Brett
nope...
i'm not the middle-aged woman....
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 07:54 PM
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Ok.. great education on the abbreviations.. now comes the hard part *I think* for all you braniacs...

What does TL stand for?
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 07:57 PM
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Absolutely NOTHING !
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Old Feb 6, 2006 | 09:05 PM
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What does TL stand for?
Oh God, not again...
Acura names stand for absolutely nothing. Here's the proof:

http://www.forbes.com/2004/07/12/cz_...?partner=yahoo (scroll 1/2 way down the page or so)

https://acurazine.com/forums/technology-16/my-old-computer-fast-enough-run-windows-xp-111045/
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Old Feb 7, 2006 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
Oh God, not again...
...bob,
i've been meaning to ask u how u felt about your cupholder...


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