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#281
Originally posted by winstrolvtec
Just to look at another angle on these cars and its only my opinion, but i feel that TL will be better aftermarket car, for bolt-ons anyway. When you look at the original redesign of acura j32, made 300+ hp we also see proof of this in a-spec concept. The production engine is the same just restricted slightly on the intake and much more on the exhaust, with 3 cats. Yes what i am saying is that with only intake and exhaust the TL will make 300 - 310hp. Didnt go into production this way because 300+ hp on fwd family sedan is just not appropriate.
Just to look at another angle on these cars and its only my opinion, but i feel that TL will be better aftermarket car, for bolt-ons anyway. When you look at the original redesign of acura j32, made 300+ hp we also see proof of this in a-spec concept. The production engine is the same just restricted slightly on the intake and much more on the exhaust, with 3 cats. Yes what i am saying is that with only intake and exhaust the TL will make 300 - 310hp. Didnt go into production this way because 300+ hp on fwd family sedan is just not appropriate.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame...ar.mv&num=1836
The TL A-SPEC Concept boasts a 3.2-liter V-6 engine that utilizes a high flow intake and exhaust as well as internal engine modifications to raise the output to over 300 horsepower.
So far we have seen injen cold air intake to put down 11 whp when compared to g35 engine only 5-7 with its injen intake. When you compare drivetrain losses its 14% acura to g35's (depending on models) 20% to 30%.
260hp G35s 5at = 220 rwhp = 15% "loss"
260hp G35s 6mt = 230 rwhp = 12% "loss" :p
In reality, that isn't possible. The engine was simply under-rated and is really putting out more like 275-280hp. Real-world drivetrain losses on the industry standard Dynojet is around 15-17% for manuals, and 22-23% for automatics. That doesn't vary significantly, and if it does it's more likely that manufacturers are playing number games with the crank ratings and they're just not accurate.
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Although both cars are restricted heavily on exhaust, the TL with its ULEVII is more so.
And yes TL has poor tires, with HPT upgrade TL is more or less as fast as g35 sedan and coupe.
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Your reply did not refer to the part of my post that you quoted. If you read again, you'll notice that I'm talking about the lame, childish way these people are speaking to each other in their dumb chat room which is displayed at the beginning of that ridiculous video. The minute or so of life wasting time at the beginning of the video where you read a bunch of text that describes the conversation between a few idiots talking trash about the guy's CL. My dog sitting next to me here is probably just a little more intelligent then the people who made that conversation.
Originally posted by rets
What's wrong with this? I wouldn't agree this by two ways.
First, in this forum, ppl from 16-61 buy 04TL. Younger guys can race with whoever they want. 30' do go dragstrip. 40' enjoy music with fancy ride. If you like streetracing at 50', no one can say NO to you. Vice versa, 17 yr old guy can drive this nice car between home and schools only. Should I say what's wrong with him? Ppl do whatever they want in this free country.
Second, tons of ppl are racing their 40k BMW on streets. Why can't ppl use 04TL to chase to each other?
What's wrong with this? I wouldn't agree this by two ways.
First, in this forum, ppl from 16-61 buy 04TL. Younger guys can race with whoever they want. 30' do go dragstrip. 40' enjoy music with fancy ride. If you like streetracing at 50', no one can say NO to you. Vice versa, 17 yr old guy can drive this nice car between home and schools only. Should I say what's wrong with him? Ppl do whatever they want in this free country.
Second, tons of ppl are racing their 40k BMW on streets. Why can't ppl use 04TL to chase to each other?
#283
Wow, stevtec you really picked me apart on this one, huh. Allow me to justify my reason for thinking. You pretty much got me on the a-spec, so i will admit i stand corrected that it does include internal engine modification. But there is the thing where acura redesigned this new engine for a whopping 10 horses, sounds strange to me but its either underrated or restricted in some way. A dyno from this site, says 231hp and 210tg for the TL. Thats brings us to about a 15% drivetrain loss in hp and around the same in tg. Moving on, i was under the impression that all the nissan 3.5's were closer to output then most people thought, could be wrong. Obtained dyno #'s from a 350z which is the most potent of the 3.5's, when compared to g35s. 214hp and 213 tg, now i know they seem a little low but my cousins g35c didnt dyno much higher, and i was taking into consideration the injen cai that was installed to it. And i do understand that even dyno's are not always 100% accurate. As far as making 300hp, obviously not to the wheels, but very possible i will almost gaurentee it. Injen cai put down 11 whp, now thats about 15 or more engine. Not to mention a better aem will follow. Cant say for sure but exhaust will most likely generate 15 to 20 engine horses, when one comes out. This is based on my previous experiences with honda's and acura'a with lev ratings, and this serves true with cars with that many cats. I do understand that low emissions have more to do with just plugging it up, but you have to admit that with 3 cats there is potential for more hp. Now when i raced the g35 coupe 6mt, against my previous car, an rsx-s i never lost by more than 1 to 3 cars up to 100mph and even won a few times, and the TL is a faster car than rsx-s, thats why i feel they are more or less the same. Not to mention i was always completely stock, except for tires.
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stevevtec likes to pick apart everyone's posts. His posts have plenty of flaws too, but arguing against them will just lead him to post even more posts of the same kind, and most people don't have the amount of time to write 2 pages of posting each day to combat him.
#285
Originally posted by winstrolvtec
Wow, stevtec you really picked me apart on this one, huh. Allow me to justify my reason for thinking. You pretty much got me on the a-spec, so i will admit i stand corrected that it does include internal engine modification. But there is the thing where acura redesigned this new engine for a whopping 10 horses, sounds strange to me but its either underrated or restricted in some way. A dyno from this site, says 231hp and 210tg for the TL. Thats brings us to about a 15% drivetrain loss in hp and around the same in tg
Wow, stevtec you really picked me apart on this one, huh. Allow me to justify my reason for thinking. You pretty much got me on the a-spec, so i will admit i stand corrected that it does include internal engine modification. But there is the thing where acura redesigned this new engine for a whopping 10 horses, sounds strange to me but its either underrated or restricted in some way. A dyno from this site, says 231hp and 210tg for the TL. Thats brings us to about a 15% drivetrain loss in hp and around the same in tg
Moving on, i was under the impression that all the nissan 3.5's were closer to output then most people thought, could be wrong. Obtained dyno #'s from a 350z which is the most potent of the 3.5's, when compared to g35s. 214hp and 213 tg, now i know they seem a little low but my cousins g35c didnt dyno much higher
thats why i feel they are more or less the same. Not to mention i was always completely stock, except for tires.
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#286
Originally posted by Tecworld
stevevtec likes to pick apart everyone's posts. His posts have plenty of flaws too, but arguing against them will just lead him to post even more posts of the same kind, and most people don't have the amount of time to write 2 pages of posting each day to combat him.
stevevtec likes to pick apart everyone's posts. His posts have plenty of flaws too, but arguing against them will just lead him to post even more posts of the same kind, and most people don't have the amount of time to write 2 pages of posting each day to combat him.
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#287
Stevtec you do seem know your stuff, so i thank you for pointing out my errors. On the other hand does a dyno matter so much to you that you pay for this info (although maybe wrong) when im getting it for free. And isnt a dyno nothing more then mechanical in itself so in other words its not flawless and on that note no two cars are the same. When you stop and think about when cars are close in thier #'s isnt it really the driver who controls victory and not machine, what are the dyno figures gonna do, get up off the screen and drive the car themselves, no i dont think so. I was trying to make an innocent comparison based on what i knew, turns out i dont know much, should have never said anything in the first place, but regardless i love the new TL and i will have fun beating out the competition with it. Oh and by the way i said it was I, rsx type s that lost by 1-3 lenghts to the g35c and often, I won, usaully one out of three to four races.
#288
Originally posted by Tecworld
stevevtec likes to pick apart everyone's posts. His posts have plenty of flaws too, but arguing against them will just lead him to post even more posts of the same kind, and most people don't have the amount of time to write 2 pages of posting each day to combat him.
stevevtec likes to pick apart everyone's posts. His posts have plenty of flaws too, but arguing against them will just lead him to post even more posts of the same kind, and most people don't have the amount of time to write 2 pages of posting each day to combat him.
#289
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Originally posted by memyslefandi
well i know it happened one of those two years. and when it did i remember seeing the maxima getting 0-60 in like 5.9 and quarter in the 14's. it didnt take them a year to get those numbers. that was my point.
well i know it happened one of those two years. and when it did i remember seeing the maxima getting 0-60 in like 5.9 and quarter in the 14's. it didnt take them a year to get those numbers. that was my point.
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I believe it. Good kill. You'd be surprised how some people just can't drive. The G might have shifted too quickly and was in a higher hear and lost torque. Sometimes you just get luck with a dumb driver. A kill is a kill! Good job! If I told you my TL-S ran with a SVT Cobra you wouldn't believe me. But ask TL_Diplomat, he was there and he kept up as well! It wasn't the car but the driver, we both killed the Mustang!!!
#291
Originally posted by vandy786
The magazines never got fast times for the Maxima. Way over 6 seconds to 60 and very very high 14s in the 1/4. THe fast times were what people on the forums are running. In other words, as people have more of a feel for the car, the times will go down, just as they did for the Maximas. That was the point I wanted to make.
The magazines never got fast times for the Maxima. Way over 6 seconds to 60 and very very high 14s in the 1/4. THe fast times were what people on the forums are running. In other words, as people have more of a feel for the car, the times will go down, just as they did for the Maximas. That was the point I wanted to make.
it takes a good driver maybe a handful of runs before they learn how the car likes to be launched. not nearly the amount of time you are suggesting.
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Originally posted by Tecworld
Your reply did not refer to the part of my post that you quoted. If you read again, you'll notice that I'm talking about the lame, childish way these people are speaking to each other in their dumb chat room which is displayed at the beginning of that ridiculous video. The minute or so of life wasting time at the beginning of the video where you read a bunch of text that describes the conversation between a few idiots talking trash about the guy's CL. My dog sitting next to me here is probably just a little more intelligent then the people who made that conversation.
Your reply did not refer to the part of my post that you quoted. If you read again, you'll notice that I'm talking about the lame, childish way these people are speaking to each other in their dumb chat room which is displayed at the beginning of that ridiculous video. The minute or so of life wasting time at the beginning of the video where you read a bunch of text that describes the conversation between a few idiots talking trash about the guy's CL. My dog sitting next to me here is probably just a little more intelligent then the people who made that conversation.
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Originally posted by vandy786
The magazines never got fast times for the Maxima. Way over 6 seconds to 60 and very very high 14s in the 1/4. THe fast times were what people on the forums are running. In other words, as people have more of a feel for the car, the times will go down, just as they did for the Maximas. That was the point I wanted to make.
The magazines never got fast times for the Maxima. Way over 6 seconds to 60 and very very high 14s in the 1/4. THe fast times were what people on the forums are running. In other words, as people have more of a feel for the car, the times will go down, just as they did for the Maximas. That was the point I wanted to make.
#294
Originally posted by winstrolvtec
Stevtec you do seem know your stuff, so i thank you for pointing out my errors. On the other hand does a dyno matter so much to you that you pay for this info (although maybe wrong) when im getting it for free.
Stevtec you do seem know your stuff, so i thank you for pointing out my errors. On the other hand does a dyno matter so much to you that you pay for this info (although maybe wrong) when im getting it for free.
By the way, I'm not disagreeing with you on your overall point.
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Yeah Russ, I thought that was you. Thanks for confirming it.
Registering under another name just to try to gang up on somebody. I bet anything if a moderator checks the IP addresses they come up the same.
Yeah Russ, I thought that was you. Thanks for confirming it.
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
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Yeah Russ, I thought that was you. Thanks for confirming it.
Registering under another name just to try to gang up on somebody. I bet anything if a moderator checks the IP addresses they come up the same.
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
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Yeah Russ, I thought that was you. Thanks for confirming it.
Registering under another name just to try to gang up on somebody. I bet anything if a moderator checks the IP addresses they come up the same.
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Yeah Russ, I thought that was you. Thanks for confirming it.
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#302
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Originally posted by memyslefandi
they never did until the 255hp 6-speed was released. and when they first tested it they got good times after say, a few runs. as apposed to a few months or even years. except maybe in the case of that cheesy "Canadian Driver" you refererd to.
it takes a good driver maybe a handful of runs before they learn how the car likes to be launched. not nearly the amount of time you are suggesting.
they never did until the 255hp 6-speed was released. and when they first tested it they got good times after say, a few runs. as apposed to a few months or even years. except maybe in the case of that cheesy "Canadian Driver" you refererd to.
it takes a good driver maybe a handful of runs before they learn how the car likes to be launched. not nearly the amount of time you are suggesting.
Well I just found that cheesy Canadian Driver article to prove that you were totally wrong. It's the first thing that came up in search engines. Apparently, I wasn't clear enough so let me try and say it again:
None of the magazines got the best times for the 2002/2003 Maximas. It was just regular consumers who went to the track and posted slips and videos of their runs which bested the magazine times. So basically, I expect the same to be true for the 2004 TL. Provided someone is bold enough to push it, it will run better times than a 14.2. It will just take some time for that person to appear and show us the proof (slip), just like it did in the case of the older gen Maximas. I can't make my point any clearer.
#303
Originally posted by vandy786
Well I just found that cheesy Canadian Driver article to prove that you were totally wrong. It's the first thing that came up in search engines. Apparently, I wasn't clear enough so let me try and say it again:
None of the magazines got the best times for the 2002/2003 Maximas. It was just regular consumers who went to the track and posted slips and videos of their runs which bested the magazine times. So basically, I expect the same to be true for the 2004 TL. Provided someone is bold enough to push it, it will run better times than a 14.2. It will just take some time for that person to appear and show us the proof (slip), just like it did in the case of the older gen Maximas. I can't make my point any clearer.
Well I just found that cheesy Canadian Driver article to prove that you were totally wrong. It's the first thing that came up in search engines. Apparently, I wasn't clear enough so let me try and say it again:
None of the magazines got the best times for the 2002/2003 Maximas. It was just regular consumers who went to the track and posted slips and videos of their runs which bested the magazine times. So basically, I expect the same to be true for the 2004 TL. Provided someone is bold enough to push it, it will run better times than a 14.2. It will just take some time for that person to appear and show us the proof (slip), just like it did in the case of the older gen Maximas. I can't make my point any clearer.
Until I see proof, I wouldn't make assertions that the TL is a 13 second car.
#304
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That's my point though. It takes time for people to get those numbers. Once a car is fully and properly broken in, it is possible that we may see those numbers. That's all I was saying.
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Yea that was what I was referring to. When people start saying "owned" and especially "pwned" (pure owned) I can't stand it. SUPER IDIOTIC.
Originally posted by rets
If your criticism targeted at that conversation inside the video chip, yes, you're right with that. But we don't know their ages, and they may be just the teenagers or drop-out college students, and that's the very common converstaion among them. You will hear tons of talks like that in LA street racing site.
If your criticism targeted at that conversation inside the video chip, yes, you're right with that. But we don't know their ages, and they may be just the teenagers or drop-out college students, and that's the very common converstaion among them. You will hear tons of talks like that in LA street racing site.
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The G is all about low to mid end power, it is very torquey at the that range and feels very fast because of the quick throttle response. Honestly speaking, TL does not have the kind of low end torque that G has.
However, the top end power of G is not as aggressively tuned as the TL, thats the magic of VTEC and the reason why TL could beat the G at the drap strip.
However, the top end power of G is not as aggressively tuned as the TL, thats the magic of VTEC and the reason why TL could beat the G at the drap strip.
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Originally posted by LVSBB6
The G is all about low to mid end power, it is very torquey at the that range and feels very fast because of the quick throttle response. Honestly speaking, TL does not have the kind of low end torque that G has.
However, the top end power of G is not as aggressively tuned as the TL, thats the magic of VTEC and the reason why TL could beat the G at the drap strip.
The G is all about low to mid end power, it is very torquey at the that range and feels very fast because of the quick throttle response. Honestly speaking, TL does not have the kind of low end torque that G has.
However, the top end power of G is not as aggressively tuned as the TL, thats the magic of VTEC and the reason why TL could beat the G at the drap strip.
mid range perhaps.
drap strip?
besides the TL doesnt beat the G at the Drag Strip.
actually you may as well flip a coin because they are very close.
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G35 6MT: 5.9-60mph, 1/4 14.2
'04TL 6MT: 5.7-60mph, 1/4 14.4
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but ive seen a G35 6MT clocked at 5.6 to 60.
conclusion: they are too close to declare a winner. so lets stop bickering over 1 or 2 tenths of a second. because neither is exceptionally faster than the other or other cars out there.
but one performance area the G35 beats out the TL hands down is handling. so there you have it. get over it now.
#308
Originally posted by memyslefandi
mid end? that seems contradictory.
mid range perhaps.
drap strip?
besides the TL doesnt beat the G at the Drag Strip.
actually you may as well flip a coin because they are very close.
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G35 6MT: 5.9-60mph, 1/4 14.2
'04TL 6MT: 5.7-60mph, 1/4 14.4
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but ive seen a G35 6MT clocked at 5.6 to 60.
conclusion: they are too close to declare a winner. so lets stop bickering over 1 or 2 tenths of a second. because neither is exceptionally faster than the other or other cars out there.
but one performance area the G35 beats out the TL hands down is handling. so there you have it. get over it now.
mid end? that seems contradictory.
mid range perhaps.
drap strip?
besides the TL doesnt beat the G at the Drag Strip.
actually you may as well flip a coin because they are very close.
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G35 6MT: 5.9-60mph, 1/4 14.2
'04TL 6MT: 5.7-60mph, 1/4 14.4
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but ive seen a G35 6MT clocked at 5.6 to 60.
conclusion: they are too close to declare a winner. so lets stop bickering over 1 or 2 tenths of a second. because neither is exceptionally faster than the other or other cars out there.
but one performance area the G35 beats out the TL hands down is handling. so there you have it. get over it now.
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#309
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Originally posted by memyslefandi
mid end? that seems contradictory.
mid range perhaps.
drap strip?
besides the TL doesnt beat the G at the Drag Strip.
actually you may as well flip a coin because they are very close.
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G35 6MT: 5.9-60mph, 1/4 14.2
'04TL 6MT: 5.7-60mph, 1/4 14.4
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but ive seen a G35 6MT clocked at 5.6 to 60.
conclusion: they are too close to declare a winner. so lets stop bickering over 1 or 2 tenths of a second. because neither is exceptionally faster than the other or other cars out there.
but one performance area the G35 beats out the TL hands down is handling. so there you have it. get over it now.
mid end? that seems contradictory.
mid range perhaps.
drap strip?
besides the TL doesnt beat the G at the Drag Strip.
actually you may as well flip a coin because they are very close.
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source: Car and Driver
G35 6MT: 5.9-60mph, 1/4 14.2
'04TL 6MT: 5.7-60mph, 1/4 14.4
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but ive seen a G35 6MT clocked at 5.6 to 60.
conclusion: they are too close to declare a winner. so lets stop bickering over 1 or 2 tenths of a second. because neither is exceptionally faster than the other or other cars out there.
but one performance area the G35 beats out the TL hands down is handling. so there you have it. get over it now.
Don't forget the categories of rear-end ugliness and interior $hittiness. The G35 wins those categories too. Now we can all get over it.
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
FYI, the TL got 115 ft braking...The G35 was between 110-115. Not much of a difference IMHO.
FYI, the TL got 115 ft braking...The G35 was between 110-115. Not much of a difference IMHO.
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Originally posted by EZZ
That was one performance test. The others have gotten much worse. Till I see better numbers from a comparison, I'd have to take an average and the average just isn't very good. Something may have been really jacked on that C&D test because it was worse than a Camry
That was one performance test. The others have gotten much worse. Till I see better numbers from a comparison, I'd have to take an average and the average just isn't very good. Something may have been really jacked on that C&D test because it was worse than a Camry
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#314
Originally posted by EZZ
That was one performance test. The others have gotten much worse. Till I see better numbers from a comparison, I'd have to take an average and the average just isn't very good. Something may have been really jacked on that C&D test because it was worse than a Camry
That was one performance test. The others have gotten much worse. Till I see better numbers from a comparison, I'd have to take an average and the average just isn't very good. Something may have been really jacked on that C&D test because it was worse than a Camry
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look at the gearing and torque curves...
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look at the gearing and torque curves...
Originally posted by LVSBB6
The only time that the G can keep up with TL is to have a good launch from start.
However, from a rolling start the TL will pull away.
The only time that the G can keep up with TL is to have a good launch from start.
However, from a rolling start the TL will pull away.
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oh christ guys, cut the crap. after that huge debate about acceleration it turns out the 2 cars a pretty much even. so now were going to turn it into a braking debate. well the G35 wins that one easily. 60-0 in low 110's. thats the sedan automatic with all-season tires and non-brembo brakes. and you guys are suggesting it isnt fair unless you compare that to the 6MT TL with performance tires and brembo clamps? HA!
give it up. they are both fine sedans. you chose the car you chose for a reason so just enjoy it!
give it up. they are both fine sedans. you chose the car you chose for a reason so just enjoy it!
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Originally posted by memyslefandi
oh christ guys, cut the crap. after that huge debate about acceleration it turns out the 2 cars a pretty much even. so now were going to turn it into a braking debate. well the G35 wins that one easily. 60-0 in low 110's. thats the sedan automatic with all-season tires and non-brembo brakes. and you guys are suggesting it isnt fair unless you compare that to the 6MT TL with performance tires and brembo clamps? HA!
give it up. they are both fine sedans. you chose the car you chose for a reason so just enjoy it!
oh christ guys, cut the crap. after that huge debate about acceleration it turns out the 2 cars a pretty much even. so now were going to turn it into a braking debate. well the G35 wins that one easily. 60-0 in low 110's. thats the sedan automatic with all-season tires and non-brembo brakes. and you guys are suggesting it isnt fair unless you compare that to the 6MT TL with performance tires and brembo clamps? HA!
give it up. they are both fine sedans. you chose the car you chose for a reason so just enjoy it!
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The idea is not to use a 'ringer' TL in the 6MT/HPT versus a 5AT with all-seasons, but to avoid any prejudice to the TL by using the EL42 tires, specifically. Use of a decent all-seasons would be fine.
If you guys have spent any time on this site OUTSIDE of this G35 thread, you should not be surprised or indignant about the desire to avoid the C&D test with the EL42s. The number of people who have forced a replacement of those tires by their dealer and/or corporate is growing. I refused to take delivery with those tires on the car, and the dealer obliged.
If you guys have spent any time on this site OUTSIDE of this G35 thread, you should not be surprised or indignant about the desire to avoid the C&D test with the EL42s. The number of people who have forced a replacement of those tires by their dealer and/or corporate is growing. I refused to take delivery with those tires on the car, and the dealer obliged.
Originally posted by memyslefandi
oh christ guys, cut the crap. after that huge debate about acceleration it turns out the 2 cars a pretty much even. so now were going to turn it into a braking debate. well the G35 wins that one easily. 60-0 in low 110's. thats the sedan automatic with all-season tires and non-brembo brakes. and you guys are suggesting it isnt fair unless you compare that to the 6MT TL with performance tires and brembo clamps? HA!
oh christ guys, cut the crap. after that huge debate about acceleration it turns out the 2 cars a pretty much even. so now were going to turn it into a braking debate. well the G35 wins that one easily. 60-0 in low 110's. thats the sedan automatic with all-season tires and non-brembo brakes. and you guys are suggesting it isnt fair unless you compare that to the 6MT TL with performance tires and brembo clamps? HA!
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My close friend's brother just got a 6-speed TL and I gotta say that the thing is quite amazing for the money. It is so smooth that you sometimes forget how fast you are going. It definitely feels less grunty down low compared to my other friend's G35 coupe but it has great high end power. IMHO I would definitely say that a straight line race between the 2 would be a drivers race and the G35s better braking and vastly superior skidpad could quite possibly whoop the TL in AutoX.
They are both great cars and I would love to own either one. I've raced both cars in my audi wagon though, pretty much put them in their place
but for the price I believe these cars are great steals.
Would love to race one with my econo-crap Jetta
They are both great cars and I would love to own either one. I've raced both cars in my audi wagon though, pretty much put them in their place
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Would love to race one with my econo-crap Jetta
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