LVSBB6

Couldn't wait to share my little excitement tonight as I was on my way home, a G35 was tailgating me for a few blocks then pulled out beside me at a stop light. His intention has clear so I decided to make a run with him. Infact I was rather curious to see how my TL runs against the G35. It is a race between 3.2 and 3.5, so I was expecting a very close race.
We started out almost at the same time as I watch my revs climb, and we were pretty even head to head. My car is 5spd SS, i couldn't wait to see who would edge out first. It didn't take too long to see the answer, once my vtec kicks in at 1st gear, I already edged him by 1 car length when my 1st gear maxed out, 2nd gear I just kept pulling further and by the speed at 100km/h I was ahead by at least 2 car length. I was surprised and so was the other driver, we rolled down the window at the next stop light and he just couldn't believe how much faster the TL is.
I'm really impressed with the performance of the TL, and tonight is the first night to push my car this hard. Well thats my story

BlackShadow

Good kill! Gotta love VTEC!

BTW, was the g35 a sedan or coupe?

PeterUbers

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Sorry, but I don't see this guy kindly rolling his windows down AFTER you beat him in a FWD TL (which somehow beat him at the launch... you sure he was racing?) and he marvels at how much FASTER your TL is than his G... (you beat him by what seemed like two car lengths to 100km/hr... )

It's funny how in the heat of the moment, people that perceive themselves to be racing someone don't realize that a) the other person ISN'T racing, or b) that the "two car lengths" really was just the TL in front by 1/4-car length.

Cheers

PeterUbers

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...so mid-1st gear, you were neck and neck .. then your "turbo" kicked in and you were one whole carlength ahead .. wow!

acur8ly

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Hey man Nice kill.

Bitium

I test drove both cars and I always felt the TL was faster.....I was not impress with the G35 coupe automatic. Haven't test driven the 6 speed.

Very nice kill.

GoBig

I like it and beleive it!

Monte TLS,MAX

Nice win, but I'm sure we will see the opposite results from them at their site. I think they run pretty close , I wonder if he was pushing it weird.

PeterUbers

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I remember running with a stock G35 auto w/ my modded TL-S (intake/headers at the time only) and we were neck and neck .. this goes back and forth .. i do believe that the G35 can edge out a TL-S more often than not second to the better launch characteristics of RWD.
Congrats on the win.

ndabunka

Glad your enjoying the car. I know you have an MT. Was his a straight drive as well or was he running and automatic? Could be the difference here.

r10apple

Well...

..appears to be an auto TL...

Isn't 100km/h like 55mph? You outran a G35, in any form, by 2 car lengths to 55mph and you think he was racing?

B U L L S H I +

I can only put about 1 or 2 car lengths on a new TL or auto G35 to 115mph or so, and I have run both a TL and G35 (the latter many a time) and tracked this car...

EZZ

Its a believable race if you account for the fact that he had a better start. But, he must have had a HUGE start if the G35 was down by 2 car lengths to 60.

r10apple

Unless the guy was comatose behind the wheel, the advantage of the G35 is from a stop, and it will launch much quicker than a TL or TL-S in any variety...

neuronbob

Nice kill, but...

you couldn't have gotten to VTEC in 1st gear with the SS because the 1-2 shift is automatic and occurs well before the VTEC range starts. So you probably held 2nd gear. Sorry to be a gearhead but I just wanted to make that minor correction. Peace.

jdone

100kph=62mph.

Peters

In my '01 TL (non S type), I have raced a G35 sedan to about 100 Km/h which is about 62 mph. Now since I got my new 5AT in retrospect, I have felt that my old TL was quite peppy. Maybe is the throttle-by-wire in the new car, but my old TL was no slouch.

I always drive in SS mode and we launched from a light with a purpose, the G35 had about 3/4s of a car length on me soon after the start, but I kept close and as we got going I gained a little ground. As we kept going along this winding road, he slowed and I kept on it, so I left him behind but I would say he had the advantage.

Now in the new 5AT, I concur with LVS. The VTEC must become enabled, after about 4,500 RPM in first, the car noticably improves in acceleration. Isn't the impact of the VTEC determined by RPM, not speed? The 5AT must engage it in first. Anyway, the new 5AT certainly does not "lurch" off the line like my old one. Well, I'll have to see if I can engage an Infinity driver on a nice safe road.

partagas

I know that the G35 mystique runs deep, bet I've outrun 6 of them, all sedans, 3 of them sticks from stoplight role to 60 and pulled one on the fwy from 60 up in my stick 330i. I've lost to none. I've pulled a GS400 off the light but they beat me on the fwy.

Peters

Huh? When do you think the VTEC range starts? I thought it was 4,700 RPM. You sure you're neurons aren't misfiring there Bob?

Peters

From The Globe and Mail Review - September '03:


The TL is both smooth and quick, and has a higher top end than most people will ever care to explore. The 3.2-litre V6 engine pulls strongly, even from low in its range. When revs reach 4,700 rpm, the advanced '3-rocker' VTEC variable valve timing and lift system switches to an aggressive set of cam lobes to provide a turbo-like kick or boost from there to the 6,800 rpm limit. The system allows each of a given cylinder's intake valves to be controlled by its own low-speed cam lobe. With different low-speed cam profiles for each intake valve, the 3-rocker VTEC allows for staggered valve opening and lift, promoting 'swirl' in the combustion chambers, thus improving efficiency.

1SICKLEX

I call BS. Do you know how much MORE power one needs to pull 1 to 2 car lengths ahead the other car that quickly??? At LEAST 100hp more. Otherwise, the race will be close until you break into speeds onto and over 100mph.

The new TL have Vtec or iVtec?

neuronbob

I know quite well where VTEC starts, thank you . However, every time I've tried to start under WOT with SS, the transmission automatically upshifts to 2nd well before 4700 RPM. In my experience, 1st gear isn't held for long enough (likely to protect the transmission from abuse). In fact, it'd be really nice for Acura to give us control of 1st gear. At least with the 2G TL, we had first gear in the main shift gate, and one COULD hold 1st gear for much longer than in the new TL with its simplified shiftgate.

Peters

Well, in SS or Auto mode, if you step on it, the TL goes to about 6,600 RPM so the VTEC is definitly engaged. If you really want some fun try the "L" position. In the new 5AT, it keeps the car in 1st and 2nd almost to the red line regardless of throttle and it downshifts aggressively too. Try it when you get a chance in a 5AT.

neuronbob

To be honest, I haven't had a chance to try out the "L" gear, the weather has sucked too much here to have much fun with it. Thanks for the suggestion, I will definitely take it when it's drier.

PeterUbers

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B.S. flag is officially raised.

fla-tls

Yo PeterUbers,

Are you by any chance schizophrenic? First you bash the guy twice with sarcastic remarks, then you congratulate him on the win, and now you raise the BS flag....

Four varied posts on the same race thread??? How many people/personalities are using your account?

Turbowhat2

if you floor the car it will go up to redline in first, but let off just a little and it will shift early

PeterUbers

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Clearly, you've never picked up sarcasm before... why don't you chill out and enjoy the holidays buddy.

fla-tls

Dude, I'm just kidding! Cheers!

PeterUbers

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Majorhouse

I did that during one of my test drives of the TL. Me thinks I'm going to be in "L" quite a bit when I get my new car. :devil:

neuronbob

You know, I just came back from an errand and decided to see how long 1st is held in SS. I did this three times on an empty stretch of road. The tranny shifted to 2nd, with the accelerator pressed about 3/4 down, at 4800, 4500, and 4700 rpm! I still wish I could hold 1st for longer, maybe I'll try harder on a drier road....I couldn't do this in SS with my 2002 TL. WOW! I guess my driving is more conservative than I thought. Mastering the "L" gear is next.

SergeyM

Very believable. 2 car lengths at 60 mph approximately equal 0.4 sec. So if this particular TL runs 0-60mph in 6 sec flat and G35 in 6.2 sec and TL's driver had 0.2 sec advantage from the start then the numbers work out pretty well.

rets

I guess that G35 driver was either not-ready or stupid. Did he flash lights or give any signals before racing?

From 0 to 60mph, it's too short to tell anything (500-600 feet?? anybody knows), that 260/260 vehicle should respond pretty quick. If you told me G35 lost to TL with a couple of car-lengths at 100 mph, it's much possible.

2nd gear at 5900 RPM is about 62 mph...

Meanwhile, although 04TL SS would shift automatically from 1st to 2nd, it's still possible to rev it high before shifting to 2nd.

The only way to shift 1st gear high is to use "L" gear or WOT by SS. But, can SS keep 1st gear higher than Vtec point? Please tell me....if anyone tries already. Thanks.




Happy Holidays.

sc354

He only beat the G35 because his grandmother was driving it. She forgot which side the gas was on

kinggeorge

Interesting how a 3.2 litre engine beats a 3.5!
Gotta love Acura engineering.

PeterUbers

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What does displacement have to do with anything since the difference is so small? Just b/c you have a 3.5 doesn't put the ball in your court automatically ...

LVSBB6

Thank you for all the responses. I dont mean to BS in anyway or make this a "believe it or not" thread. Just wanted to share my first street racing in my new TL.

I have some experience in street racing and tuning with my other car, the Prelude. I have a buddy who drives the same car with similar mods and we have learnt a lot from doing many neck to neck races after each mod. To win the other car by 2 car lengths at 62mph doesn't need huge hp advantage, even a nice intake setup combined with an exhaust, which gives about 10 wheel hp, should do the job. There are many other options too, ie: cams, header, pulleys..etc, which ever mods that gives you roughly 10whp can make that happen.

Now back to the race between my TL and G35. I did not have a better head start at the beginning. Infact my wheel was spinning most of the time in 1st gear and the G35 was right beside pulling slightly ahead for a few split secs. Honestly it looked like the other guy had a better start, I floored the gas pedal and when VTEC kicks in and maxed out in 1st gear, already my car jumps ahead of the G35 by a car length. My car is 5spd SS so 2nd gear it automactically shifts up and I was still pulling away, the other car was trying, his car was right behind me but our distance is getting further. Clearly he was racing and giving all his might to see if his car can keep in the 2nd gear. By 100km/h I shoulder checked and saw the distance between our cars is about two car lengths.

To be honest, I am not trying to be bias on TL just because I drive one, I really thought G35 could keep up or even be faster than TL at some point. But having raced one last night and see the outcome, Im pretty confident to say 2004 TL is faster than G35.

- peace

fla-tls

Good enough for me.

Nice kill!

PeterUbers

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ok .. nice kill, but the one I raced was pretty damn fast, and I couldn't beat it...

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...&highlight=G35

read alllll about it.....

EZZ

You've just raced ONE car and you can confidently say that the G35 is slower? Sorry to burst your bubble but the G35 has had faster recorded times by both race times and mag times. Many have done the 1/4 in 14 flat and less for the 6 speed manual. The auto runs 14.3. Not to say the TL is slower, but a sample size of one is rediculous to base your decision that the g35 is slower. Who knows, maybe the g35 you raced was a Friday car