Monte TLS,MAX

You forgot a few things for the TL from that C&D article:

70-0 Braking= 189 ft
Road handling, 300 ft dia skipad= 0.81g
EPA: 19mpg city
C/D observed: 20 mpg

RAdams

0-60 in 5.7s with the all-season tires is pretty good. I can't wait to get to the track.

PeterUbers

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There you go again Silver.. setting your CL-S as the standard for all .. you really are in love with your car. I forgot!! your car is superior to all Nissan products.

PeterUbers

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Truth be told, I feel that the G35 is a great car, perhaps superior to the TL-S b/c of the FWD vs. RWD dynamics... however, at the end of the day, after all the crap I have to deal w/ regarding Acura quality .. i still look forward to driving my TL-S, and enjoy each minute of the drive.

partagas

Pete, I just made the choice of the TL, over the G35 and the GS430. The reasons over the G35 were noise, crappy ride, poor quality interior stuff, a rotten, cramping driver compartment that actually hurt my left leg and handling at the limit which was just plain dangerous.

Have you and I driven the same car (G35)? It has rwd dynamics and a 8/10ths on a DRY road, OK, it's better but add a little water or go over that limit and besides the sore left leg, be prepared to change shorts.

mikejulie

Okay so it wasnt a G35,, it was a Mercedes C320... but I had 3 guys stop behind my parked Anthricite TL make some comments to each other then pull away.... the driver seemed a bit pissed about something another one of them said (perhaps he was driving an overpriced POS)

Looked up the stats on the internet.. what a joke.

Base Price: $36,695
Price as Tested: $43,617
Drive Type: Rear-wheel drive
Transmission Type: 5-speed automatic
Displacement (liters): 3.2
Engine Type: V6
Valve Train: 3-valves per cylinder
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 215 @ 5700
Torque (lb-feet @ rpm): 221 @ 3000-4600
Redline (rpm): 6,000
Curb Weight (lbs): 3,439
Sticker EPA (mpg): 19 City 25 Highway

0 - 60 Acceleration (sec): 7.5
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 15.7@91.1
60 - 0 Braking (ft): 111

PeterUbers

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Partagas,

I respect your opinion of the G35 .. I appreciate the fact that you actually took the time to drive both cars (even a 3rd car, the GS) and you compared them on common grounds .. handling, noise, etc. Many people haven't driven the G, and seem to have developed all these opinions of it based strictly on an encounter w/ one in a street race.. or word of mouth stories from a friend of a friend of a friend that knows a guy who's friend owns a G35.

Like you, I love my TL .. it's the best compromise for me to RWD .. it's fun, quick, and has good power in the first three gears .. and since i live in Chicago and since we're very familiar w/ inclement weather .. fwd is damn near life-saving many times.

partagas

Pete, I drove the_****_out of them, drove the dealers nuts. I initially planned to get a G35 but the more I drove it, the more I found that I didn't like. It didn't even give me a much driver room as my 330i. Then the TL came out and as much as I have always been anti fwd, I found that for all practical uses, ie. sane, it answers all my needs, I found the 5at gearing to be unacceptable so the 6mt was mandatory but my 330i is also stick as was the G35 that I was considering.

330ipwr

I live in AZ...obviously i don't get lot of oppurtunities to drive in wet conditions...but last week i drove to the Grand Canyon
(80+ mph) and it was raining with freezing temperatures. I was bit worried about my RWD car not being able to handle well in such conditions...but to my surprise the BMW(330i) was stable as always.
Also the DSC never came on...So I did not see any problems with RWD car in wet conditions which everybody is talking about...may be my 255/45 tires helped.....snow may be a different story...

PeterUbers

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I wish The TL-S came in a stick .. truly, i probably would be content w/ a 6-spd TL stock vs. a supercharged TL-S ..

the six-speed makes that car...

partagas

I don't think anyone questioned rwd in the wet. My 330i with Pilot Sports is great in the wet. In another post I found a G35 to be squirrely in the wet but all the wet does is aggravate an already rear end squirrely condition. Both the 30i and the TL behave just fine in the wet, just the limits are lower. God help you on ice. In Yosemite, last year, I had to put on chains, right now.

MB-telecom

Yoo have no clue as to what you are talking about. I have seen a stock 94 3000 GT VR4 (320HP) pull a 2002 Nissan Maxima 6SPD (255Hp) by about 6 - 7 car lengths in the 1/4 mi. I guess the VR4 should not have pulled the Maxima by 6 - 7 car lengths since it "only" has 65 more HP right? I always love your reasoning (or lack there of).

Show me some technical literature that backs up your assinine statement about "needing" 100 HP more to pull 1 - 2 car lengths. Do you even know that the faster a car traps and the quicker its 1/4 mile times become additional car lengths exponentially lenghten with respect to time? For example" A car running a 13.2 vs. a car running running a 13.4 would beat it by maybe 2 car lengths Now a car running a 14.8 would only beat a car ruinning a 15.0 by maybe a car length or less. Go take a Physics 101 class 1SICKLEX. There you will learn about the exponential properties of velocity (1/2MV squared)

partagas

At 100mph, 1/10th sec is 14ft. At 60, 2 car lengths is .4 sec.. Figure that is distorted and more like 1.5 lengths and .3 sec.

winstrolvtec

This is really not for nothing, take it for whats its worth, but i know its been stated that recently track tested 04 tls that have shown up in our" favorite magazines", were indeed pre-production models, and not only that they were the first road tests. Most cars end up improving thier numbers down the time line, this was true for many cars including g35 sedan and coupe. Again this is just my opinion but i really would not be the slightest bit surprised if this ends up being the case for the tl. Dont take what i have said foolishly. I dont see C&D retracting its statements on fwd vehicles, (notice I say vehicles and not the TL, for those who have actually read the review), but little improvements will certainly change peoples perspective. This is just something for the people like me who go by the book,( the magazines in this case ), something to think about.

RhodeRunner

Anybody have 0-60 times on the automatic transmission TL?

bluenoser

They must be way slower than the 6sp, since the 6sp times are the same as those for my 95 Z28 6m and my 5AT TL is light years slower than my Z28 from 0-60.

LVSBB6

Anywhere between 6.15s to 6.3s for 0-60, this was discussed before:
http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...threadid=66020

D_Nyholm

I totally agree with this statement. When the G35 came out, they were using preproduction cars with lower HP figures. The times weren't much different, but people were up in arms about it.

brahtw8

G35 is weaksauce.

brahtw8

What a jackass. . .

Okay, I admit, I just wanted to use weaksauce in a sentence.

john_h11

With all due respect, it does not matter who won or not. Street racing is moronic to say the least, proves NOTHING, and causes way to many fatalities than its even worth. Even one death is one to many. So you blew a G, in the long run, who the hell cares? You lose a friend to racing, than tell me racing is worth anything other than bragging rights. Childish in any form except on a track. Glad your excited....glad no one got killed either. Newbie or not, racing is stupid.

PeterUbers

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The Mitsu probably destroyed the Max 'cuz it destroyed it outta the hole... AWD will do that for you .. come back and tell me what that race is like when they both go from a roll in first gear... b/c the stock 6-spd 97 VR-4 that I run w/ is a heavy piece of sh**. And he's not doing better than 1 to 3 car lengths on me .. The mitsu distributes it's power thru 4 wheels, a driveshaft to the rear wheels, it's overweight, and from a roll it ain't that special. You also forget to account what your 60ft time does to your 1/4-mile time and your ET .. why don't you explain that to us, i'm too tired....

hp vs. hp??? who ever compares those directly anymore.. aren't we all knowledgeable enough by now on this forum to recognize: 1) gearing, 2) auto vs. manual drivetrain losses 3) power curves 4) 4, 5, 6spd trannys 5) torque vs. hp .. 6) fwd, vs. rwd vs. AWD!

You're pretty good (not really) at calling people out on their "b.s." but you just defend your argument with "my friend has a .... "

Why don't you enlighten us, obi wan, and give us a taste from the "school of MB-telecom" ..

theslik1

You make some good points, but I think it's a much bigger issue than G35 vs. TL. There are alot of BMW/Mercedes/Audi drivers who are seeing the rear ends of both cars and asking themselves "WTF?"...and for good reason. They're paying $7-10K premiums for rides that don't measure up to either the Infiniti or the Acura in terms of features and performance, and the quality issue is also rising to bite them, especially Mercedes. If you visit any of the car magazine forums (such as Car & Driver), you'll find numerous rant postings from the Euro crowd trying to justify their purchase decisions, and failing miserably. When their last best argument is "well, I own a BMW/Mercedes/Audi, so there", you know they're desperate.

As far as G35 owners being unsettled, they're no more unsettled than we are...they're simply curious about the competition (as are we), and the TL is a natural competitor for the G sedan. If the new TL hadn't come along I'd be driving a G right now and damn happy with it. I gave it alot of thought before I decided on the "wrong wheel drive" TL because I know FWD's limitations, but overall the TL is a nicer car, and fast enough for what it is. The G is definitely torquier down low though, and when you drive the cars side by side as I did you can definitely feel the difference from a stop. The torque factor in itself doesn't make the G quicker, but a comparably equipped G35 sedan is also about 200 lbs. lighter than a TL, according to the curb weights listed on each manufacturer's website. That's pretty significant.

I also agree about the internet racing that goes on in car forums. 99.9999% of it is pure BS conjecture and of no value...if you want to get my attention then pony up the timeslips and dyno charts. I personally don't need any penis lengthening boasts about my TL and its capabilities, and I bet most of the members of this forum don't require them either.

MB-telecom

Do your damned homework "little" Peter and do a simple search on the 2nd gen. forum. I have stated on there before that I own a 1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT with well over 400 HP with currently about $6K in mods. I also own an 02 TL-S. Any more questions? Would you like to see my W-2 also? I'll gladly fax it to you and then we can whose "peter" is bigger "little" Peter.

And from roll a 97 VR4 would get not just 1 - 3 lengths on you, but more like 3 - 6 lengths even from a 10 - 15 mph roll up to about 100 mph. You need to spend some time at the track, but you really don't have a car worthy to take there. Maybe one day you'll get to at least drive (although you'll probably never own) a car that runs mid 12's "little" Peter.

And next time don't start **** with me; I was simply disputing the illogical reasoning of 1SICKLEX on HP vs. car lengths to keep it simple.

Happy New Year "little" Peter!

davezaristo

This thread sounds like a bunch of ricers debating an endless argument...i guess some of you still belong to the civic crowd that is trying to argue which one is a faster car....the simple fact is that both g35 and tl are in the same league and they are too close to really tell which car is truly faster until you do multiple runs at the same drag strip with professional drivers switching between cars to obtain an avg quarter mile time....street racing is all pure bs and it's for ricers who believes in stickers=5hp...

manteuffel

Hi everyone. I am new to the forum. I just got a new 04 TL. I also have a Z06 too.

Anyways: there are two G35s, the coupe and the sedan. Both models weight within a 100 pound difference (around 3390lbs). Except the 4wd sedan that weights 3680lbs. The new TL weights 3480 pounds and has 270 hp.
The G35 coupe has 280hp, the sedan has 260hp. The three cars are too close to say this one wins or the other. At higher speeds is not only the hp, but also, how aerodynamic your car is too. (that is way more important than the hp number)

Both cars are fast, but I think it all comes down to the driver (or if it is an autoshift war, then it comes down to the car itself: the software that runs the traction control, gear setup and motor power curves.)

G.

PeterUbers

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Wow... what can I say, the voice of reason has spoken. And on this note, I think this thread should be officially locked... moderators?

PeterUbers

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No, I like to think it's a mostly mature discussion comparing the performance characteristics of two very different automobiles. However, there are the occasional posts from rogue street-racers and drag-racers that lend some flavor to this thread supporting your thought. All in all, I think it's been an interesting discussion, but this discussion is perhaps over, at least for now.

EZZ

I think most people are talking about the sedan when comparing the cars. The g35 coupe is a different car than the sedan. It even has different handling characteristics (different wheelbase, different suspension settings) and it is faster than the g35 sedan and the TL (people have hit high 13s stock). The g35 sedan though is very comparable to the TL and might even be a little slower from a roll due to more drivetrain loss.

theslik1

*EDIT* never mind...

manteuffel

I figured it was about the Sedan. I think both cars are almost identical. One thing is for sure, I didn't got the Acura to race. Thats why I keep my "0-100mph in 9.3 seconds" Z06 sitting right next to the TL.
The G35 sedan might be faster, quicker or anything you want for that matter, well, lets put it this way: good for them.
I think the TL has NOTHING to be jealous about, not a thing. I was on the market for 5 months, looking for a car in the TL league. In my opinion, the G35 exterior didn't cut it for me. Then I didn't like the interior either: there's nothing wrong with it, but I just do't feel it clicks with me.
O.T.H, the TL interior is all curvy and has a well angled center console that reminds me the shape of the Z06 center console. Which BTW, I know a lot of ppl rip on the Corvette's interior all the time. Well, that interior might not use the nicest aluminum or titanium all over the place, but it is the most functional interior I've ever used on a car.
The exterior of the TL feels young and sporty yet very very classy. The TL is probably targeted to appeal to a broader segment of ppl than what the G35 does.
As I said, all this is this is just my opinion.

G.

partagas

Thanks Manny (I can't even type your handle) for a meaningful, specifc comment. I have my 330i for canyon hijinks and an SUV for skiing. I needed a bigger business /faimily car. The TL was the hands down winner. The closest competitor was the 5 series BMW at +$20K to +$30K. The TL is as fast as the 330i, G35, GS430 or 530 and more comfortable and quieter than any of them. It only loses in handling to the 330i. The fwd feels weird and takes different turn setup but it has great roll stiffness and works quite effectively.

So, I found it to be the most desirable, regardless of price. On the 550 mile trip shopping last weekend, lotsa choppy freeway, that sucker was quiet and comfy, despite my Goodyear F1s.

theslik1

Couldn't of said it better...I personally was in the market for over a year; I looked at and drove every damn thing out there. I was just about to pull the trigger on the G35 sedan when the new TL came out, and I was sold instantly. The G may be better at some things but I'm convinced that the TL is a more solid product overall and a hell of a value. I'm a happy camper!

LVSBB6

Before the new TL was released, I would consider the G

I'm glad the TL came out in time because I was already making offers to Infiniti dealership.

bollywood21

Nice Run.....

My cousin owns a 2002 G35 sedan which I drove for a few days in Florida over the holidays and I must say, the car is potent. I think the G35 will beat a 04 TL auto up to 60 mph, but will be dragging behind by the 1/4 mile.

niko14

Your cuz must of had a pre production one
The G35 felt potent because it has 260lbs of torque and a nice torque curve as well.. Nice feeling eh the TL isn't bad ,but from an overall engine/drivetrain only perspective(Torque/HP/Gearing/RWD) the G has it beat.

LVSBB6

I have test drove the G35 sedan several times, it "feels" faster in the low end just because it has a flatter torque curve than TL.

But if you were to race two cars head to head, TL will take the lead because thats where the VTEC high end comes into play.

Race one if you have the chance, you'll know what i mean

niko14

Yupe take the lead till about ~105 mph then the G35 will be saying bye bye

acuraddict

good story

vtechbrain

If anybody has a G35 out there I have a can of whupass waiting for them in mid wisconsin anytime they want a taste!!!!!