killed 6mt 350z
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well.......another 350z on my dead list. but this time it's 6mt. i didn't turn my VSA off this time due to over spin while launching. i had a good launch this time. i pulled up my e-brake while half clutching on red, revving 2500rpm. on green, i let go my e-brake and gunned. 350z had fast launch...no doubt....about half car length. i upshifted to 2nd @ 5000rpm until i hit the redline. i passed him about quarter length. upshifted to 3rd, aem growled and v-tec kicked in. i aready passed him a car length. by the reaching 4th, he was already behind and i was going almost 90mph and there's no point of this race to go on so i stopped.
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Somewhat hard to swallow. The driver of that 350Z must have shifted poorly and inefficiently. Unless you have a blower, I can't see the TL-S passing an experience driver in a 350Z.
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seems like both of you arent the greatest drivers ever..you should be in vtec the whole time..and with your short shifting he should have smoked you= he cant drive...with vsa even if you dont spin it still cuts at least 25% of your power off and if you shift correctly its gonna kill your power in your shift to 2nd...
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it's hard to believe huh......but it actually happened. 350zs are fast but not that fast. i have witnessed several threads who bit the fuck outta 350z without blower on their TLs. i witnessed on youtube some guy was racing against 350z with his TLS and he bit him. so believe or not, it's absolutely doable.
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i believe its doable but your explanation shows way too many errors your made...
o and yes it does cut power..if you have a 6mt go test it..if you dont have one dont act like you know
o and yes it does cut power..if you have a 6mt go test it..if you dont have one dont act like you know
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Originally Posted by type-s09
i believe its doable but your explanation shows way too many errors your made...
o and yes it does cut power..if you have a 6mt go test it..if you dont have one dont act like you know
o and yes it does cut power..if you have a 6mt go test it..if you dont have one dont act like you know
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im not sayin it didnt happen...trust me i hate it when people tell me i didnt do somethin when i did...but ive seen 2 at the local track run a 13.4 bone stock..but they are very good drivers..congratulations for sending a 2 door sports car with more power/tq home with his tail between his exhaust pipes...wish i could find someone like that around..every 06 and up 350z 6mt i run into eats me for lunch and dinner..that guy probably traded the thing in as you were crusing with bluetooth active and your heated seats on..
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Originally Posted by type-s09
im not sayin it didnt happen...trust me i hate it when people tell me i didnt do somethin when i did...but ive seen 2 at the local track run a 13.4 bone stock..but they are very good drivers..congratulations for sending a 2 door sports car with more power/tq home with his tail between his exhaust pipes...wish i could find someone like that around..every 06 and up 350z 6mt i run into eats me for lunch and dinner..that guy probably traded the thing in as you were crusing with bluetooth active and your heated seats on..
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hey pizza..that Utube vid was me. I also got into it last night with one on the way home from memphis..actually he started it. After about 3 times of getting beat, he pulled up next to me and with a surprised sound in his voice asked "What does that thing have in it???"...Another one bites the dust, both 6 speeds!
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nice job.. it's all about DRIVER.. Keep in mind that fellas...
-I'm sure that Z is a shitty ass driver w/o a doubt. Find other Z's and try running them, they'll show u wussup.
now with that bone stock hitting 13.4, it musta been a nice day out, well prepped track.. It's doable, on the 07's for sure... not sure about the 03-06...
-I'm sure that Z is a shitty ass driver w/o a doubt. Find other Z's and try running them, they'll show u wussup.
now with that bone stock hitting 13.4, it musta been a nice day out, well prepped track.. It's doable, on the 07's for sure... not sure about the 03-06...
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Originally Posted by Ac_Attack
hey pizza..that Utube vid was me. I also got into it last night with one on the way home from memphis..actually he started it. After about 3 times of getting beat, he pulled up next to me and with a surprised sound in his voice asked "What does that thing have in it???"...Another one bites the dust, both 6 speeds!
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nice job.. it's all about DRIVER.. Keep in mind that fellas...
-I'm sure that Z is a shitty ass driver w/o a doubt. Find other Z's and try running them, they'll show u wussup.
now with that bone stock hitting 13.4, it musta been a nice day out, well prepped track.. It's doable, on the 07's for sure... not sure about the 03-06...
-I'm sure that Z is a shitty ass driver w/o a doubt. Find other Z's and try running them, they'll show u wussup.
now with that bone stock hitting 13.4, it musta been a nice day out, well prepped track.. It's doable, on the 07's for sure... not sure about the 03-06...
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Originally Posted by AcuraTLboi
nice job.. it's all about DRIVER.. Keep in mind that fellas...
-I'm sure that Z is a shitty ass driver w/o a doubt. Find other Z's and try running them, they'll show u wussup.
now with that bone stock hitting 13.4, it musta been a nice day out, well prepped track.. It's doable, on the 07's for sure... not sure about the 03-06...
-I'm sure that Z is a shitty ass driver w/o a doubt. Find other Z's and try running them, they'll show u wussup.
now with that bone stock hitting 13.4, it musta been a nice day out, well prepped track.. It's doable, on the 07's for sure... not sure about the 03-06...
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my buddy used to have 06 6mt with the high rev motor putting out 306hp. I raced him, and i was dead even up to mid-high 3rd. Its not impossible to kill a Z with a modded 07 S 6mt, BUT with your drivin skills im suprised he didnt blow your ass away or it was an older Z.
I dont follow this....are you sayin u shifted out of 1st into 2nd at 5k rpm?
Why would you do such a thing? 5000 is when Vtec starts.....u just handicapped yourself by not even letting it run thru 1st. you should be shifting at 7k rpm if you racing.
i upshifted to 2nd @ 5000rpm until i hit the redline.
Why would you do such a thing? 5000 is when Vtec starts.....u just handicapped yourself by not even letting it run thru 1st. you should be shifting at 7k rpm if you racing.
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i thnk he means when he shifted to 2nd he landed at 5000rpms and then took 2nd to redline? i dunno i was confused reading it lol
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so u raced an 03-06??
fastest 03-06 is ...
Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft Verified
this is from my350z.com
fastest 03-06 is ...
Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft Verified
this is from my350z.com
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I have to agree that it's all about the driver. I've won races in my old Integra and my current TL that I shouldn't have. Especially when you're dealing w/ MT.
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I've kept up with a 03 350z 6M/T up until 90mph passed him slightly as I was approaching 110, top of third gear, once I shifted into fourth he pulled real hard. He also had the stock 19inch wheels, said he bought the car with them, and 1 extra person. He probably miss-shifted or shifted very cautiously.
Another time I kept up with an '01 Cobra, but he had an extra person and miss-shifted 3rd and 4th.
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Another time I kept up with an '01 Cobra, but he had an extra person and miss-shifted 3rd and 4th.
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Basically if someone screws up their shifting, which is very probably, you can keep up with them, even if they are up to a second and a half faster than you in the Quarter Mile.
But I'm not doubting you, though, I think the TL type-S 6M/T is a strong car.
But I'm not doubting you, though, I think the TL type-S 6M/T is a strong car.
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With all that being said, it's most likely he raced an older Z. A lot of magazines usually get around 14s in the older Z, while a TL A-spec can do 14.3s. I assume TL-S should be a bit faster, so may be 14.2s. Then if the OP can drive fairly good, while the Z's driver didn't launch properly, and shifted slowly, then that 0.2s can easily be made up.
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look I dont care what you guys say about the z, I had one for almost 6 months, the worst 6 months of my life, they drive heavy, they are heavy and they handle like mustangs... I don't know what you guys are talking about these mid 13 numbers, that pro drivers... I had mine with the nismo rims and a jim wolf technology intake, that was all I did to it, and it was a base model so it was lighter than the other models.... that shit was slow no matter which way you put it, my boy driving my built civic used to run circles around me... now with the type s he can't even pull half a car length ahead of me it is dead even... forget this whole talk about drivers everyone knows you miss a gear on that damn z, fucking shifter sucks....
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Lol oh man... I got a 2G stock TL and I spanked a I believe stock 350z, but my run was a highway take off... I spanked dude 3 times back to back, and when he realized I guess he could double clutch (me being auto :P) that he could get a jump on things... but once he had to switch I was already gaining on him again...
Although he never wanted to pass 85-90mph he thought he was big shyt cuz I was about to bitch him out again LOL... I'm not fast by all means... maybe he jus sucks? LOL
Although he never wanted to pass 85-90mph he thought he was big shyt cuz I was about to bitch him out again LOL... I'm not fast by all means... maybe he jus sucks? LOL
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Originally Posted by iforyou
With all that being said, it's most likely he raced an older Z. A lot of magazines usually get around 14s in the older Z, while a TL A-spec can do 14.3s. I assume TL-S should be a bit faster, so may be 14.2s. Then if the OP can drive fairly good, while the Z's driver didn't launch properly, and shifted slowly, then that 0.2s can easily be made up.
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Originally Posted by Hi speed
Sorry this is so late but what is the high rev motor or reved up motor?
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You need to be a professional driver to extract the extra punch in the Z's with reved up engines. Best Motoring compared the 287hp fairlazy z against the 300hp one, and the 300hp model is marginally quicker. If Nissan modified the gear ratios, the performance gain should be more. In other words, each gear actually tops out at a higher speed, making the extra hp not noticable at all, in fact, due to the decrease in torque, one might feel the car is slower. Just imagine a S2000 with its 1st gear topping out at 60mph, it's not gonna be fast at all. Gearing plays a major role in terms of acceleration, too.
And yea, no doubt, there are gonna be drivers out there that are better than the test drivers in C&D or MT. Likewise, there are a lot of less talented drivers out there.
And yea, no doubt, there are gonna be drivers out there that are better than the test drivers in C&D or MT. Likewise, there are a lot of less talented drivers out there.
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i dont see anything wrong with pizza's driving skills?
he said he had a good launch and grabbed 2nd gear pretty hard right on the meat of the powerband...that seems good
but with the Z falling back that quick...it might have mis shifted or shifted too early?
did you talk to the Z driver after the race? haha
I was able to hang closely with the pre HR engines in my reflashed RSX...don't see why its so hard to beleive that a 6spd TL-S (which is marginally faster than my flashed rsx) couldnt have beat the Z....unless im missing something...
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he said he had a good launch and grabbed 2nd gear pretty hard right on the meat of the powerband...that seems good
but with the Z falling back that quick...it might have mis shifted or shifted too early?
did you talk to the Z driver after the race? haha
I was able to hang closely with the pre HR engines in my reflashed RSX...don't see why its so hard to beleive that a 6spd TL-S (which is marginally faster than my flashed rsx) couldnt have beat the Z....unless im missing something...
good kill man
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Originally Posted by iforyou
You need to be a professional driver to extract the extra punch in the Z's with reved up engines. Best Motoring compared the 287hp fairlazy z against the 300hp one, and the 300hp model is marginally quicker. If Nissan modified the gear ratios, the performance gain should be more. In other words, each gear actually tops out at a higher speed, making the extra hp not noticable at all, in fact, due to the decrease in torque, one might feel the car is slower. Just imagine a S2000 with its 1st gear topping out at 60mph, it's not gonna be fast at all. Gearing plays a major role in terms of acceleration, too.
And yea, no doubt, there are gonna be drivers out there that are better than the test drivers in C&D or MT. Likewise, there are a lot of less talented drivers out there.
And yea, no doubt, there are gonna be drivers out there that are better than the test drivers in C&D or MT. Likewise, there are a lot of less talented drivers out there.
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With how easy all these TL owners are running away from G's on the topend, I'm starting to wonder if my track just isn't nice to the TL/CL cars because I've watched many 2nd gen CL/TLs stock with headers do 14.6@98mph (headers) to 14.9s@94mph (stock) and 3rd gen TLs running 14.6@97mph (6MT) to 15.2@91mph (auto).
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With that much gain in wtq in that range, no doubt it should be quicker, considering also the fact that these cars are not light too. What about the G37 coupe? It has 330hp, but only 274lb/ft, magazines have found that it's quite a bit slower than the 306hp/295lb/ft 335i (which is also 140kg lighter). Does that mod gonna help the G37?
I'd imagine it's much easier to launch and drive faster in a G35 than the TL like you've said before, thanks to the extra low and mid range torque, and I believe the G has shorter gear ratios too. But seriously, it sounds like those TL drivers in your area need to improve their skills, especially the 3rd gen people. On paper, 3rd gen AT should be as fast as 2nd gen TL-S if not faster (ie 3rd gen is a bit lighter with a little bit more torque and hp, as well as fatter tires for more grip?).
I'd imagine it's much easier to launch and drive faster in a G35 than the TL like you've said before, thanks to the extra low and mid range torque, and I believe the G has shorter gear ratios too. But seriously, it sounds like those TL drivers in your area need to improve their skills, especially the 3rd gen people. On paper, 3rd gen AT should be as fast as 2nd gen TL-S if not faster (ie 3rd gen is a bit lighter with a little bit more torque and hp, as well as fatter tires for more grip?).
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Originally Posted by iforyou
With that much gain in wtq in that range, no doubt it should be quicker, considering also the fact that these cars are not light too. What about the G37 coupe? It has 330hp, but only 274lb/ft, magazines have found that it's quite a bit slower than the 306hp/295lb/ft 335i (which is also 140kg lighter). Does that mod gonna help the G37?
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So do you mean that, the G37's intake manifold would fit in the 1st gen G? If so, what would the gain be? Whoa, I didn't know the 335i is underrated by that much, I thought it's more like 325hp, which sounds reasonable since it's quite a bit lighter than the G37. I guess the G37 has the right ingredients, but the fine tuning is not enough.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
So do you mean that, the G37's intake manifold would fit in the 1st gen G? If so, what would the gain be? Whoa, I didn't know the 335i is underrated by that much, I thought it's more like 325hp, which sounds reasonable since it's quite a bit lighter than the G37. I guess the G37 has the right ingredients, but the fine tuning is not enough.
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