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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 02:30 PM
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Jeff's 2004 TL writeup at TOV

Finally!!

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=151671

My favorite part:

"This is a car designed for enthusiasts, but "purists" might dismiss it due to its FF (Front engine, front wheel drive) layout. While I would personally love to see a high performance FR sedan from Honda/Acura, Acura's persistence in delivering FF cars is at least finally resulting in really great road cars. While it may ultimately fall short of an FR setup at the limit on a racetrack, I'm confident that the difference is virtually nil on the street, and given its power, balance, and poise, it will definitely hold its own against the best sport sedans. And how many people are shopping 530is, G35s, or A6s for track days? To dismiss this car before driving it purely based upon its drivetrain layout is a big mistake. "

Yup, Jeff, it sure would be.
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 04:15 PM
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Very good review.....

I like this part of the article:

"and the specially designed air ducting. "

That is for the braking system, it means a lot less warping on both 5AT and 6MT (brembo) models. I would not expect any warping on the 6MT and a lot less for the 5AT than previous versions.
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 04:21 PM
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I like this part:

Similarly, the 6MT TL should be at least as quick as last year's 6MT CL Type S. In fact, with its better tires and seemingly better weight transfer characteristics, it should be able to get out of the hole a bit quicker than the CL. The added top end power and quicker clutch engagement should be worth a full tenth or so, so I'm going to say this car should hit 60 in 5.7 to 5.8 seconds.
Damn High 5's for 0-60!

This car's gonna be fast!
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 06:28 PM
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By the way, what do they mean by "8/10s"? Sorry if this is commonly known, but I certainly don't know. Does this mean sportiness/aggressiveness of driving?
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 07:45 PM
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Long, but informative. I wish someone would have instrument testing already.
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 08:52 PM
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8/10s means driving the car at 80% of its max capabilities. Basically if you are over about 6/10s on the street you are seriously endangering peoples lives. Honestly even mild cars today are more capable then the drivers behind the wheel. If you haven't spent several days at the track learning to handle a car then chances are the new TL is more car then you are driver (I mean that in general terms for anyone not just "you", I am included in that even with several days of track time and instruction).
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 09:12 PM
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Hey, no offense taken, though I'd certainly like to learn track driving and this seems like the car to do it in even without a MT.

Thanks for the answer!
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by 2004TL
I like this part:
Damn High 5's for 0-60!
This car's gonna be fast!
I doubt it will be anywhere close to that, more like high 6's
5.40 with a V8 does high 5's
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by acura_hungry
I doubt it will be anywhere close to that, more like high 6's
5.40 with a V8 does high 5's
No way! With the TL-S and the Accord coupe 6MT getting 5.9s in some publications, there is no way the TL 6MT will be almost a second slower. ConsumerGuide.com, a publication known for its VERY conservative 0-60 times, got 6.7s in an automatic CL-S and said the manual felt even faster (they didn't publish a time). With anything more than the most sedate driving, the 6-speed TL should easily be in the very low 6s or below...
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by princed
No way! With the TL-S and the Accord coupe 6MT getting 5.9s in some publications, there is no way the TL 6MT will be almost a second slower. ConsumerGuide.com, a publication known for its VERY conservative 0-60 times, got 6.7s in an automatic CL-S and said the manual felt even faster (they didn't publish a time). With anything more than the most sedate driving, the 6-speed TL should easily be in the very low 6s or below...

I dont know maybe its the low ball torque, but i dont see this car doing high 5's. At all.

I hope Im wrong tho.
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