madtraction39

Alright, I have to know who has actually put their 3rd gen tl type-s to the test. I been seeing little video clips of guys racing against altimas and g35s. I previously owned an '05 altima se-r 6spd. It was a fun car. I'm about to purchase a '08 type-s 6spd if the dealer can find the kinetic blue. The reason I'm asking because most people race altima 2.5s and not the se-r or against the g35 coupe which is actually heavier than the altima. I just want someone to be straight up.

Fulani has a TL

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https://acurazine.com/forums/a-24/

The Racing & Comp link of Acurazine. Will have ALOT of Info

I would provide info... But I'm into just cruising now

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lembowski

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If your looking to race the car, your $ can purchase something alot faster for the $.................

madtraction39

It's not so much about racing. I just like to know about the real performance of the car in real situations. I already have a racecar!

Tripnbeats

You Cant Handle The Truth!!!!

madtraction39

I was wondering who was going to the first to say it. You win!!!

Tripnbeats

lol had to break the silence man..... but i haul ass on G35s ( coupe n 4 doors) I dont know or care if its because of the drivers or car... all i know is a really good midnight run and im out on those cars.....the SE-r never pulled up to me so i dont know about that.....and i have an 05 6MT. nothign special done to it intake...spacers and exhaust.

madtraction39

I feel you on that. If the type-s would have been available in '05, I probably would have bought it instead. I just remember how fun it was driving that car down to NOPI NATIONALS in 05. Honestly, i was wreckin' some infinitis and 350z on the way. Can't wait to get my tl!

iforyou

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http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=types09&p=r

These videos are from one of our members, types-09. He has a normal TL 6MT (non-type S) with a few mods (I think it's intake and spacer, probably more mods now). He has 2 clips of him racing against Altima 3.5 6MT as well as G35 coupe 6MT. And obviously the TL-S 6MT is faster than the TL.

madtraction39

I watched the video again. It was hard to tell because it was so dark if that was an se-r. Maybe or maybe not. I can tell you this because I owned one. The 6spd was only offered on the se-r models. The regular altima 3.5 came in a/t or 5spd. Not that it really matters that much, but it looked pretty even. Love the TL Type-s and the SE-R.

iforyou

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From what what I've heard and seen is that (I think it was from our moderator, F23A?) that the SE-R is actually a little bit slower than a 5MT 3.5SE due to its extra weight in a straight line. However, I'm not sure about this. I agree though, that these are all very close in performance, and it really comes down to driving skills at the end.

road_boy

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Don't the SE-R's have Zenon headlights?

Dave_B

There are a handful of 07+ 6MT TLS owners that have put their cars to the "test" under the timing lights, not BS street races. The times have typically been in the 14.0-14.4@98-100mph. The mags are typically seeing 14.1-14.3@99mph with 6MT and those times are corrected to sea level conditions which is something msot us don't see at the strip. Overall, the TLS is right on par for a stock 1st gen (03-06) 6MT G35 coupe and sedan, SE-R Altima, 5MT (02-06) Altima SE, and 6MT (02-03) 5.5 gen Maxima. The TLS is fractionally slower than the typical 350Z which usually sees 13.8s@102mph stock.

Street racing is very pointless because just a .5 second slower reaction time (you could barely see the difference with you eyes) means a 14.0 car can hang with a 13.5 second car through the 1/4 mile. I've done my fair share of racing at the strip over the last 10 years and it's obvious most "street racers" have absolutely awful reaction times.

madtraction39

I understand what you're saying, but what's true for the track is sometimes true for the street. Whether on the track or not, your reaction can decide a race. If you have someone flag a race that's the same as going off the lights. I raced on the track a long time myself and I firmly believe drag racing begins at a dead stop not a roll. Both cars are fairly even. The SE-R is about 150 lbs. lighter that the TYPE-S, but the acura has 26 more hp. It all balances out.

iforyou

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Honestly speaking, I can see that it's just a matter of time before someone breaks into the high 13's with the TL-S 6MT, considering Accord 6MT, with heavier rims, less grippy tires, no LSD, and worse power to weight ratio can do it in 14 seconds flat at 102.5mph. Also keep in mind there aren't that many TL-S out there, let alone people who actually race them on a track. And out of those people who actually race their brand new TL-S 6MT, most of them are newbies too...so, the odds of them getting good times is pretty slim, or rather, impossible. In that regard, track times really mean nothing yet.

madtraction39

I have no intention of beating up my tl on the track anyway. I mainly want it for the highway for when those bimmer and lexus boys pull along side. That's why it won't be long after I purchase mine that it will get a supercharger.

iforyou

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wow, that's nice. Have you seen videos of one of our members with a 3.5L swap and SC?

Dave_B

It will take a SC if you plan on running a 335i, IS350, or a 07-08 G35 sedan in a highway run. All those cars trap 102-105mph stock whereas the TLS is seeing 100mph. Here's a test between the TLS, IS, and G35 http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...d/02073car.pdf By 100mph, the TLS is already .8 to 1.6 seconds behind the IS and G. That's 6 to 10 car lengths!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even by 120mph, the TLS is still trailing the IS and G by 6 to 8 cars. That's huge. The 330hp G37 sedan come out this fall and that will be a legit 13.6@104mph car too. Acura is really going to have to step up to the plate with the next TL because they're getting smoked in the power game.

iforyou

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^

Honestly speaking, I can see that it's just a matter of time before someone breaks into the high 13's with the TL-S 6MT, considering Accord 6MT, with heavier rims, less grippy tires, no LSD, and worse power to weight ratio can do it in 14 seconds flat at 102.5mph.

iforyou

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also..

"Here is something that will (or hopefully) get you all talking..
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html

ACCORD COUPE EX-L
0-60 5.7
Quarter mile 14.0 sec @ 102.5 mph

ECLIPSE GT
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 100.6 mph

ALTIMA COUPE 3.5 SE
0-60 5.8
Quarter mile 14.3 sec @ 101.7 mph

So, yet another magazine getting 102mph+ for the Accord coupe. Now, how does that relate to the performance of a TL-S 6MT? Let's look at the power to weight ratios:

TL-S 6MT : 12.29lb/hp
Accord 6MT: 12.68lb/hp

So, TL-S obviously has a better power to weight ratio than the Accord 6MT. As others have suggested, that's one of the most important factors in determining trap speeds. Then factor in the tires, TL-S has optional wider, high performance summers tires, while the Accord uses narrower all-season crappy Michelins. I think this will help shorten its 60ft time and ET by a couple of tenths, again, this has been suggested by several members with experience in drag racing. Then look at the rim size, TL-S has lighter 17", while the Accord uses heavier 18", I believe this will have some effect in performance, but probably hardly noticeable."


Also note that 0-100mph in the Accord is 13.4s, which is slightly faster than the 13.5s by the G35. And the 102.5mph in the accord, is again, higher than 101.8mph of the G35. And again, the TL-S, with better tires, better power to weight ratios, lighter wheels, and LSD, I'm sure it can do better than what the Accord did.

I also noticed something, the TL-S is actually the lightest of the 3, by close to 100lbs.

Anyways, what do these results tell us? These cars are closer in terms of performance than one might think.

madtraction39

In response to what you said about the tires. If the high performance tires on the type-s are anything like the ones that came on my se-r, they suck for traction off the line. The all season tires would actually do a better job. The compound on most all season tires is usually softer i.e. more bite. Some of these guys will be able to drop their quarter mile times if they keep at it. It's simply a finesse thing. They have to find the balance between to much tire spin and just enough. You need a little to keep the car in it's power band. The mistake some people make is they try so hard not to spin. Then they bog down the car and loose all the rpm. Launch high, feather, then grab second.

iforyou

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The summer tires on the type S are Bridgestone Potenza RE030. I believe they are a grade lower than what G35 and IS350 use (they both have RE050). Yea, I agree, launching FWD with close to 300hp isn't an easy thing, even Dave B himself admitted that it took him more than 60 tries to get his best time in his Maxima, while it only took him a few tries to do the same with his G35. And he must have quite a bit of experience drag racing since he knows a lot about the sport, yet it still takes that many tries to get good times with his FWD Max. No wonder there aren't that many good runs with the new TL-S. I also agree about bogging down the car, and lose all the rpm. I mean, especially with a car like the TL(Type S or not), its torque curve is too flat. Compared to say, the maxima or Altima, they make more torque at low to mid rpm, so even if you bog down too much, the extra torque will help make up for, but that's not happening with the TL or TL-S, or simply a lot of Honda engines.

Manual Transmission

The Standard TL 6MT is faster than the Altima SE-R.


The G35 Coupe is hardly quicker than the G35 Sedan. The Coupe weighs more and I believe it has wider set of tires/wheels. It almost levels out with the Sedan in overall acceleration so forget about trying to differentiate the Coupe and Sedan.


Yes, I have beat Altima SE-R 6 speed with my TL 6MT before. The guy was pushing it to the limit. We were sprinting from 0 from 0- 90+. Beat him by good 3~ 4 cars.


One day I had the best acceleration out of my regular TL 6MT. It was just outstanding. The shifting points and clutching was just perfect. The starting RPM was perfect. The car took off like crazy faggot....



The key is how well you drive the 6MT. It takes a lot of concentration. And be sure to turn OFF the VSA.


Case closed.

madtraction39

Nissan tends to make torquier motors. Cars respond the same to forward movement. Their weight shifts to the rear. On a rwd or awd this helps with traction, putting weight on the drive tires. Not so good for fwd because it unloads the tires. Adjustable shocks and struts can help fight this a little. Let's face it TL's aren't drag cars anyway. Better to set the car up for the road. Suspension to carve the corners, forced induction for power and delete the speed limiter for top end speed. Leave the drag strips for the civics, Tl's belong on the highways terrorizing euro cars.

madtraction39

Good job for beating the se-r. I'm sure you are a fairly good driver whom was having a good day. Most of the time I would say that race goes the other way. The only reason I say that is because you are matching two car with almost identical hp numbers, if yours is a regular Tl. If that is the case the logical advantage goes to the se-r because it lighter. That's why I bought the se-r first time around because it was quicker than the standard Tl I had. Now I coming back because of the type-s.

Manual Transmission

Which TL did you have? 2nd gen? 3rd gen? what type of transmission?

iforyou

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Yea, I think he beat the SE-R most likely because he had a good day, and the SE-R drive might had a bit of trouble shifting? I mean these cars are so close in performance that I'd say it's a 50/50 race every time.

madtraction39, I agree, weight matters, but then for some reason, the new Accord V6 6MT can out-accelerate the Altima V6 6MT according to Edmunds, Car and Driver, and Motortrend, even though the Accord weighs 100+lb more, while having 2 less hp and 10lbft less torque. I don't think it's the gearing because at 6th gear at 60mph, they both are at 2100rpm (may be 1-5th gears are different? But the difference must be huge). One reason I can think of is the actual wheel hp. The Accord has been shown to have 240whp stock, what about the new Altima?

With that said, yea, a mildly modded civic will take a TL anyday on the track, but smoking euro cars on the hwy is the fun part You mentioned about suspension and cornering, have you seen the TL-S in action at Willow Springs, driven by the drift king?

Also, if you are interested in the TL, why don't you wait till the 09 model comes out?

Manual Transmission

Answer my question please.

Manual Transmission

Ermm.... no.


Horsepower number wise? Yes. Actual acceleration numbers? no.

Manual Transmission

madtraction39, it doesn't take that much time to answer a simple question..... What year was your Acura TL and what transmission?



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Manual Transmission

madtraction39,

W H A T _ Y E A R _ W A S _ Y O U R _ A C U R A - T L _ A N D _ W H A T _ T R A N S M I S S I O N _ W A S _ I T ?

iforyou

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LOL give him a break man!! haha may be he's not online right now!!

Btw...you are gonna get flamed by Dave B...I'd betcha anything.....:P

Manual Transmission

He was online. Been watching him, monitoring. I suppose he ran away. Having a dinner or went to the bathroom..... Every men gotta take care of his business, u know.

iforyou

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haha seems like you really want to see his reply!

cuteguy1414

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Madtraction39, I believe Manual Transmision has answered your question on who has actually beat an SE-R. Time for you to answer his question in return..

FORSITE

Ran the Altima SE-R 6MT from a stop, 0 to 80 mph. I was alone in my '05 TL AT and the Altima SE-R had a passenger. At 80 mph he was approximately a 1/4 car length behind my rear bumper. I was surprised at these results to say the least and I am aware that driver error most likely determined the result. That said, a Type-S AT should walk on the Altima SE-R w/o any problem, and even more so with the 6MT.

Dave_B

I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from, but if the TL-S is capable of 101-102mph traps, then why isn't it doing it in the mags or in the 1/4 mile section of this site? Maybe I'm missing it, but everything I've seen on this site (1/4 mile section) and in the mags is showing lower 14s at 99-100mph for the TL-S. Like I've said before, MPH is very hard to mess up and shows available power. If the TL-S was a consistent 102mph car, I'd think we'd be seeing it in the tests. The IS350 typically sees 103-104mph traps in the mags as well as those that have tested at the strip. The 07-08 G35s are the same way. The mags say 101-102mph and that's what people are getting at the strip. Why would the TL-S behave any differently?

Dave_B

Ever been to the strip to back up your skills? I have. I know what my car is capable of. I have also seen and ran against 3rd gen TLs, modded 2nd gen TLS/CLS', modded GS400s, 350Zs, VQ35 Altimas, and G coupes and sedans. I know what all these cars are capable of at my strip. Street racing is a BS way to gauge the performance of your car.

I've run many 13-second cars which I beat to the finish line only because I outreacted them. They still posted better ETs, but I got to the finish first. In a street race, that would make my 14.3 second G35 appear to be quicker than say a 13.8-second LT1 F-body or 05 Stang GT.

iforyou

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You are indeed missing something...I did give reasons why you are not seeing any good times in the 1/4 mile section of this site. Check out how many people actually race their TL's, then look at how many of them are the new TL-S. Then look at how many of them are experienced drag racers? None. They are are newbies. If you look at someone with a little bit more experience, such as type-s09, he has done 13.9@102mph in his TL 6MT non type S (with intake and spacers, or around 230whp, which is 23whp less than a stock type s, and doesn't weigh that much less). If you also look at the 3rd gen forum, you will see that his runs are very consistent. They vary from 13.9 -14@101-102mph.

Also, as I've shown before, Car and Driver got 14.1@101mph with the TL-S in the "Quickest cars: $30000 -$40000" article.

Here's the link again:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...re+page-5.html

Like I've always said, the TL-S is not, or shouldn't be faster than the IS350 or new G35. I must have said that for like 10 times on this forum. Sure enough, G35 usually does the 1/4 in 13.8-14.1@100-103mph, depending on mags and RWD or AWD. So for sure, it should be faster than the TL-S 6MT. But nonetheless, I don't see any reason why the TL-S is slower than the other cars you've mentioned.

madtraction39

Hey manuel trans., chill I don't live on this forum. It was a 2005 tl with an a/t. Look it's not that big a deal. I don't take it to seriously when it two 4dr sedans racing. In my opinion the cars are fairly even. Just for the record, I just picked up my '08 TL type-s yesterday. Honestly both cars feel about the same. I can say that without bias because now I've owned both.