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Old May 3, 2009 | 11:55 AM
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How good are your brakes??

I have the TL type s and too me it sucks for stopping, it feels so heavy!! They will stop when you need it but all in all I hate seeing lights turn red it freaks me out actually because I know I have to stop the big TL every time!!!
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Old May 3, 2009 | 12:00 PM
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put on lighter wheels. i know it sounds cliche, but trust me, it helps.

my wheels are so light compared to stock, i trip the ABS almost everytime.
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Old May 3, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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wow!!

Originally Posted by sixsixfour
put on lighter wheels. i know it sounds cliche, but trust me, it helps.

my wheels are so light compared to stock, i trip the ABS almost everytime.
Dude they make wheels lighter that the stock type s wheels wont they bend !!
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Old May 3, 2009 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DJANZ07
Dude they make wheels lighter that the stock type s wheels wont they bend !!
I have BBS forged wheels off an Evo, and compared to stock TL/TL-S wheels, they're MUCH light.

to improve braking on the car, one typically upgrades the brake calipers and rotors. TL-S have Brembo fronts, so better pads and slotted calipers would be the next typical upgrade. using hi-temp brake fluid and braided steel lines (for less line flex and better pedal feel) improve it the next level. but to ultimately chop down your stopping distances, light wheels and sticky tires are your best bet.

honestly, just swapping your tires with R or near-R compound tires and lighter wheels will give you the most noticeable difference in braking/stopping performance.
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Old May 3, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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Hey bro thanks alot!!

Originally Posted by sixsixfour
I have BBS forged wheels off an Evo, and compared to stock TL/TL-S wheels, they're MUCH light.

to improve braking on the car, one typically upgrades the brake calipers and rotors. TL-S have Brembo fronts, so better pads and slotted calipers would be the next typical upgrade. using hi-temp brake fluid and braided steel lines (for less line flex and better pedal feel) improve it the next level. but to ultimately chop down your stopping distances, light wheels and sticky tires are your best bet.

honestly, just swapping your tires with R or near-R compound tires and lighter wheels will give you the most noticeable difference in braking/stopping performance.

thanks for the advise bro, I also checked out the fog light thread it was sick!!!
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Old May 3, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DJANZ07
thanks for the advise bro, I also checked out the fog light thread it was sick!!!
no problem. and i mistyped - i meant slotted rotors, not calipers
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Old May 3, 2009 | 03:04 PM
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Another way to not worry is to stop speeding.
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Old May 3, 2009 | 05:14 PM
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Type-s sucks for stopping?

Are you kidding me. The type-s has got some AMAZING brakes that have saved my ass more times than I can remember.
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Old May 3, 2009 | 08:12 PM
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The Tl whether base or type-s stops extremely well. Look up the stopping distances and compare them with much more expensive sports cars and I think you will get an idea of just how good it stops. It may feel like it takes a lot of pedal effort but actual stopping is awesome.
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Old May 3, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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poor stopping? I have a base TL so I'm not sure how you could be feeling inadequate braking. Is it pedal feel or actual stopping? btw.. the braking distance vs. speed is not linear.. 70-0mph is far different than 60-0mph. Keep your speeds moderate.. defensive driving is key and knowing your travel limits.
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Old May 3, 2009 | 11:23 PM
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get awesome rotors and brake pads to reduce stopping distance by 20-30 feet
install SS brake lines to improve pedal feel- it doesnt increase braking power- but when you go full effort braking the lines dont expand and reduce pedal firmness- - same thing when hot- makes it feel like no brakes on rubber lines

Here is the easy thing to do first for everyone
Flush the brake fluid
Supposed to do it every year starting at beginning of year 3 of cars life
Even if your car is 1 year old, start now and be safe
Moisture gets sucked into the brake fluid and degrades it
You will be shocked by what comes out of the caliper as new fluid displaced old
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Old May 4, 2009 | 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ifirahse
Type-s sucks for stopping?

Are you kidding me. The type-s has got some AMAZING brakes that have saved my ass more times than I can remember.
+1
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Old May 4, 2009 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DJANZ07
I have the TL type s and too me it sucks for stopping, it feels so heavy!! They will stop when you need it but all in all I hate seeing lights turn red it freaks me out actually because I know I have to stop the big TL every time!!!
You are mistaken. I've even tracked mine with the stock setup, and they've worked EXCELLENT! The Type-S stock setup definitely gets kudos from me and many others on here who own 3G Type-S's.

Maybe you got yours used, and need to re-bed them?
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Old May 4, 2009 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 01tl4tl
get awesome rotors and brake pads to reduce stopping distance by 20-30 feet
Sorry, as the Acura brake bias is one of the indutries best, you'll never see a 20-30 foot reduction when installing aftermarket units. In fact you'll be lucky to see any reduction in distance as the tires will be the limiting factor, not the brakes.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 10:49 AM
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I disagree- not talking bias or tire stickiness which are factors-
BUT
when you have better than stock pad compound on the right rotors- you can reduce the stopping distance
The TL has a `compromise compound` - made to fit the general populace where mom drives it gentle and wants no noise or grabbiness, dad drives it like a race car, the kids drive it like its dads car not theirs...
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Old May 4, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ifirahse
Type-s sucks for stopping?

Are you kidding me. The type-s has got some AMAZING brakes that have saved my ass more times than I can remember.
+2 i love my brembo's
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Old May 4, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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We can keep this up forever, but it's not the compund. You can slam the brakes on as hard as youi can and with the Brembo, base TL, or any other compound, it's not going to stop any faster. In fact, the Brembo's and stock Tl's have almost the identical stopping distance depending on the report, in fact some reports indicate that the base TL has a shorter stopping distance than the vehicles equipped with the Brembo.

You'll find the following article to be quite interesting as the stock pads will stop shorter than when the car was fitted with stainless steel braided brake lines, 328x28mm (12.9x1.1-inch) slotted two-piece, fully floating rotors with aluminum hats for the front, four-piston fixed squeeze-forged aluminum calipers with StopTech's patented X-brace bridge design, Axxis Ultimate pads for the larger front and stock rear calipers, and all the necessary hardware and brackets to mount the larger front brakes.

http://www.modified.com/roadtests/07...est/index.html
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Old May 4, 2009 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 01tl4tl
I disagree- not talking bias or tire stickiness which are factors-
BUT
when you have better than stock pad compound on the right rotors- you can reduce the stopping distance
The TL has a `compromise compound` - made to fit the general populace where mom drives it gentle and wants no noise or grabbiness, dad drives it like a race car, the kids drive it like its dads car not theirs...
I'd switch that mom & dad statement.. all dad's I see in their Z06's drive like grandpa and all the mom's in their Suburbans drive balls to the wall.. single twenty somethings are a totally different story.

No one mentioned yet but the brake assist / boost is adaptive and will apply force based on your driving style. Might be something to consider in relation to psychological brake feel.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DJANZ07
I have the TL type s and too me it sucks for stopping, it feels so heavy!! They will stop when you need it but all in all I hate seeing lights turn red it freaks me out actually because I know I have to stop the big TL every time!!!
I've got no problems stopping. I kind of look foward the light changing yellow at the last second.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
I've got no problems stopping. I kind of look foward the light changing yellow at the last second.
That's always a dilemma for me.. flip of a coin, but no matter the decision I always have confidence in the TL.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
That's always a dilemma for me.. flip of a coin, but no matter the decision I always have confidence in the TL.

My car is new and I never drive the car hard, maybe just once in a while!!
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Old May 4, 2009 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DJANZ07
My car is new and I never drive the car hard, maybe just once in a while!!
When I got my TL-S, it took me a while to have my brembo's work correctly.

I suggest you to go to somewhere you can speed up and hit the brakes hard...

Do it a couple of times....

Then, your brembo's would respond like a snap...

BTW, I love my brembo's.... they are amazing.... Especially after my last oil change, using Castrol Sync (as shown on FF4)... They released my engine's hidden power... and now, my brembo's are working extra hard....

I love my TL-S
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Old May 4, 2009 | 05:36 PM
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Smile I will try that!!

Originally Posted by georgegiorgio
When I got my TL-S, it took me a while to have my brembo's work correctly.

I suggest you to go to somewhere you can speed up and hit the brakes hard...

Do it a couple of times....

Then, your brembo's would respond like a snap...

BTW, I love my brembo's.... they are amazing.... Especially after my last oil change, using Castrol Sync (as shown on FF4)... They released my engine's hidden power... and now, my brembo's are working extra hard....

I love my TL-S

You know what somebody else told me that I will def try it!!

Also I use Mobil-1 and V-power gas only, and I def see increase in engine performance!!!
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Old May 4, 2009 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DJANZ07

Also I use Mobil-1 and V-power gas only, and I def see increase in engine performance!!!
Here we go!
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Old May 4, 2009 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbonut
Here we go!
I chose not to comment on that one....

I just got to test my base brakes out on the way home. I was going 55mph, had a lady make a right turn in front of me. Hit the brakes, first time hitting anti-lock in a real situation, checked the side mirror, nowhere to go. I was literally entering the intersection when I hit the brakes and in my mind I was just hoping the airbag didn't deploy and staring at the trailer hitch. I wasn't wondering if I was going to hit her, I was hoping the damage to the car was minimal. It was unbelievable how hard this car stops. I'm very happy for the wider high performance tires. I stopped with about a foot to spare, it would've been an accident on stock tires.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
poor stopping? I have a base TL so I'm not sure how you could be feeling inadequate braking. Is it pedal feel or actual stopping? btw.. the braking distance vs. speed is not linear.. 70-0mph is far different than 60-0mph. Keep your speeds moderate.. defensive driving is key and knowing your travel limits.
Something that 98% of drivers don't have and don't know how to do.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DJANZ07
I have the TL type s and too me it sucks for stopping, it feels so heavy!! They will stop when you need it but all in all I hate seeing lights turn red it freaks me out actually because I know I have to stop the big TL every time!!!
Just floor it an go thru man, only pussies stop for red lights.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
poor stopping? I have a base TL so I'm not sure how you could be feeling inadequate braking. Is it pedal feel or actual stopping? btw.. the braking distance vs. speed is not linear.. 70-0mph is far different than 60-0mph. Keep your speeds moderate.. defensive driving is key and knowing your travel limits.
I've always wondered if cars with lots of downforce (which is like 1% of street cars) would have a more linear stopping distance as speeds go up.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Babnik
Just floor it an go thru man, only pussies stop for red lights.
are you calling Bearcat a pussy.. oh no you di'int!

btw.. last year I went through a yellow and caught the red in between.. $200 later.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 11:43 PM
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I have a a base 04 as well and the brakes are AMAZING. I've been able to stop my TL in emergencies (city traffic) going from 25-30mb to absolutely 0 in less than a second with almost no skdding. Enough to fling me forward due to the low inertia. The Seat belt however is also just as safe.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 11:45 PM
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I've always wondered if cars with lots of downforce (which is like 1% of street cars) would have a more linear stopping distance as speeds go up.
idk.. I bet it would be very close. I think most braking curves are dependent on drag coefficient so street cars that are sticking to the road must have enormous deceleration rates.. I'm sure it's not linear but I bet the curve saturates towards stop very fast where a large percentage of travel is purely based on speed and reaction time. I have yet to ride in a break neck vomit rocket but I can dream..

These aren't in that 1% but damn.. my next DD is going to be a GT-R.

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Old May 5, 2009 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ifirahse
Type-s sucks for stopping?

Are you kidding me. The type-s has got some AMAZING brakes that have saved my ass more times than I can remember.

QFT. I wish I had brembos...and a Type S to boot.

No more black Type S's when I bought my car
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Old May 5, 2009 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ifirahse
Type-s sucks for stopping?

Are you kidding me. The type-s has got some AMAZING brakes that have saved my ass more times than I can remember.

hell yea these brakes are life savers
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