Is it possible? I don't like it on a manual.

 

Maybe a fuse or something.

Why don't you like it? It only kicks in when its really needed.

The only time I would imagine it needs to be turned off is at a slalom event or you're stuck in the snow.

 

oh I live in sunny socal. No snow, never rains here either cept for a few days. IMO I actually have like less control. I've only had a few weeks and it's just weird for me. It's ok on the auto TSX we have but on a manual it's more inhibiting that anything else.

 

Theres something that KP technologies offers.. Contact Kpierson on these forums as hes a vendor of it, or search KPtechnologies for his website.

 

VSA or Traction Control? I know they are linked, but I am guessing it is the Traction Control component of the system that's bothering you??

 

I dont mind pressing it...The only times I hate it is when I am at the track and forget to turn it off while letting the engine cool down at the staging lane...Screws my launch up dirty.

 

read the owner book, and be NICE to your clutch!!
unless you have 2000-2800$$ laying around for a new one

Traction control is for a reason- in wet or slick conditions,, again- read the owner book!

How exactly is it bothering you to have on? What driving style?

 

lol, whats so hard about pushing 1 simple buttom, everytime u turn ur car on. Its not like ur breaking ur back doing it.

 

i got you here you go!

http://www.kptechnologies.com/produc...Acura&model=TL

 

its towards the bottom of the list of cool things

 

Whats that have to do with it? Even normal driving I take the vsa off. I am just used to driving with no support from my older cars. Just because someone takes off VSA doesnt mean they rag on the car. Just sayin.

 

I can relate. When you're used to a car without it, VSA can actually force you to make mistakes. I personally think the TL's is intrusive during spirited driving, it kicks in very early.

I just took my friend's AMG CL65 Mercedes, the 604hp one out yesterday. I thought I had turned the stability and traction control off. This system will let the wheels spin a little and let the car get a little sideways before kicking in. Going around a corner I started getting on the throttle hard and the tail started coming around so I was leading it with the steering and all of a sudden traction control kicked in and I nearly overcorrected when the rear tucked back in so quickly. That could've been a $190,000 mistake lol.

 

maybe the gen3 vsa is way different than my gen2
ours just uses brake abs to slow a spinning wheel- below 16mph
Cant say I have run ito it during normal driving
If you were at the drag races I could see turning it off,
but with the many gen3 traction systems with throttle control- brake control- the car trying to outthink you~...how is that a bad thing

 

This makes no sense to me. Why would you bother turning off VSA? I have never once been driving my TL down the road and thought that VSA needs to be off. I have had all sorts of real performance cars (including Z06's) and cant imagine what kind of driving situations would require VSA to even kick in especially in a big 4 door non-performance TL.

 

Thats one thing I never liked about mercedes you cannot really fully take off the traction control...I guess its insurance for them but personally I dont see why they do that...Kinda rips the user off but most people dont really push those cars to there limit.

 

Its about keeping untrained drivers from bringing their high performance, high dollar value car home,,,, 2 feet shorter

ABS is so you can stomp the brakes and steer around an accident
Traction systems keep the back end from passing the front when you get too hot into a wet off camber decreasing radius turn...

I am still wanting to know whats happening on normal launch in street driving to need the TCS off? Beyond that I defer to my comment on clutch replacement prices

 

Typical "trained" or "active" drivers should be able to control these actions...IN a front wheel drive it really doesn't matter...If you feel the rear end kick out in a front wheel drive just let off the throttle and it will correct itself...IMO FWD is basic and doesn't take much skill, but for most "daily" users they do not have the trained skills from drivers ed to understand how to control vehicles. Taking off VSA does not disable your ABS it disables most forward controls such as traction control/yaw control and so on. The stopping is still there but the pedal usually travels further before the system kicks on in some cars...But I am pretty sure most people already know that.

The only time I see VSA being a big issue is a high hp rwd vehicle for beginners that dont know how to handle them...RWD is a different animal and takes more skill compared to an FWD.

I recommend you or anyone for that matter to go push both a RWD vs an FWD at a track to there limit and you will feel distinct differences (of course with traction off). Let me know which one is easier to drive because I already know the answer to that.

Personally its the end user choice if he/she thinks she can handle a vehicle with VSA off more power to them...If they don't even trust there own driving then VSA on would be a good choice for them...I will keep my VSA off unless I think it is really needed...And I don't rag on my car unless its at the track or I feel like doing spirited driving out on a back road.

 

IMO, the TCS/VSA is pretty inhibiting when I'm trying to do rapid quick shifting. I have a TypeS 6MT with mods on and I have to granny shift in order for the TCS/VSA not to kick in when stomping on the car. I'm not sure how many of you here are TL 6MT owners but I'm a previous G35 6MT owner and in comparison you're able to turn off the TCS/VSA almost completely with a push of its button. But on this car even though you've hit the VSA button off, traction still kicks in regularly when shifting it at red line quickly. Now granted I don't condone street racing, I do like to push the car once in a while.

 

I dunno about TC kicking in at higher RPM at least I havent witnessed it. You are probably experiencing the effects of the clutch dampener inside the slave...I havent had any issues hitting turns with VSA off experiencing any traction issues. The Manual has an LSD so that could be what your feeling too? Anyway I havent had any issues torque steer is more noticeable but other than that the front wheels do lose traction if you corner exit too early.

 

lazyness at its finest..one..one..simple button

 

you need a capacitor, a resistor, and an SPDT 30amp automotive relay and some 10 gauge wire and (after spending $5.00 on this stuff) you can put together a delay trigger to always trigger the VSA off when you turn your car on...

www.the12volt.com for a one-pulse trigger...

 

oh, and add a rocker switch to toggle on/off the AUTO VSA delay...

 

My 2 cents amigo, just press the button and don't try to dissable it, personally I shut it off every time I drive but in the event that the wifey wants to take it for a ride I would rather have the safety feature on for her, just in case....

 

HEK? this was the handle of a very good poker player back in the day at 2p2. You the same guy?

 

there is definitely a difference in pickup with the VSA off. i guarantee that ! you'll never get that pushed into the seat feeling with the VSA on.

 

lol....try that on racing slicks....bet I could prove ya wrong! lol Letting off the gas DOESNT always necessarily mean that the back end is going to come back in line...trust me. Autocross pic during an Aussie Pursuit event where I had just spun around on cold pavement on slicks...lol. Complete 180. Being I had another car on course at the time....I remained still at the time in order to let the other driver approach me without me moving so I didnt get hit.

 

lol slicks a slightly different story if they arent warmed up. I havent had much issues usually my tires are warmed up by the time I use them but they are usually street tires.

 

FWD is a bit different that RWD, it's taken me a while to get used to driving at the limit and it's still not natural. I have to think about what to do when it slides.

Letting off the gas will bring the rear around more and standing on the gas can bring you out of a slide, pretty much the opposite of a RWD car.

 

Not really, Slicks or street tires its the same deal.

When you get off the throttle in mid corner in a FWD car you get a condition knows as power off under steer.

With the throttle closed the engine acts as a brake on only the front wheels.

Its like pulling the handbrake in the middle of a turn, when the handbrake is only connected to the front wheels.

This reduces the cornering capacity of the front tires by an amount equal to the braking force.

 

Actually, it causes oversteer unless my car is different from the rest.

 

LOL, my TL never "pushed me into my seat" with it on or off anyways... just doesn't have that type of torque.

 

I get a little oversteer but it is still correctible. IT depends on the FWD car you are driving. The TL chassis is pretty stiff for what it is. It has the off throttle oversteer capability. Kind of like the older GSR integra. Same concept. So far I have been doing backroad runs with the car and handling is pretty predictable. Unlike my old car where I could feel the front end going wide (no power steering) and correct it immediately. This car is a bit odd getting used to since you cannot really feel what the front tires are doing which can sometimes IMO cause for some un needed over correction.

 

Maybe it is. Power off over steer is common in RWD cars.

I find that my TL 6spd pushes where my BMW 6spd is very neutral in the same corner.

 

LOL...my name is Hector and when playing video games in the "day" I could only place 3 letters when I got a high score and my friends call me HEK..or Hec but I spell it with a K...it's cool...r..., I hate gambling BTW...

 

VSA is there for a reason should be left alone unless there is a specific reason to disable it, not that hard to turn it off when you need to ya know......

abd yes VSA will engage at any speed and it can be defeated if you push the car too hard. TCS will also apply the approperiate front brake as needed to prevent wheelslip....

 

HONDA...

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TRUE STATEMENT....torqueless wonders! lol

 

to the OP you can accomplish this with one relay.....and an ignition cable to turn it on, but honestly i wouldnt turn it off. it really does correct the car properly....for example i was on a highway with a lot of ups n downs... not huge hills just a few ups n downs....my vsa was off and the car had no control to cut in front of other cars as i was accelerating....i realized the button was pressed n traction was off. sooo then a few days later i come down the same road and traction was on....made a huge difference in control. the car had no problem staying planted n ready to move and get into lane.