HID headlamps are over-rated
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HID headlamps are over-rated
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...=1057508800888
"We compared 31 cars and trucks with halogen lights and 10 with HIDs, measuring their ability to light the road ahead and along the sides as well as checking them for glare (see Headlight testing).
Six out of 10 vehicles with HIDs and 9 out of 31 with halogens reached the 400-foot marker on our test course with low beams, compared with an average of 335 feet for all models tested.
The farthest so far: the inexpensive, halogen-equipped Mazda Protegé5. Its low beams illuminated our 600-foot marker without creating a glare problem."
DETAILED ARTICLE ON HID LIGHTS:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
"We compared 31 cars and trucks with halogen lights and 10 with HIDs, measuring their ability to light the road ahead and along the sides as well as checking them for glare (see Headlight testing).
Six out of 10 vehicles with HIDs and 9 out of 31 with halogens reached the 400-foot marker on our test course with low beams, compared with an average of 335 feet for all models tested.
The farthest so far: the inexpensive, halogen-equipped Mazda Protegé5. Its low beams illuminated our 600-foot marker without creating a glare problem."
DETAILED ARTICLE ON HID LIGHTS:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
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Originally posted by Z Factor
Misleading thread title.
Misleading thread title.
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60% of HIDS reached the marker only 30% of Halogens do. I think those findings are self explanatory. Consumer reports I think is a little off the mark on HIDS. The only factor in lights is not how far they go. Hids have a much whiter light with a much wider dispersion. You can "see" much better with HID light. They do have a point it is hader to design hids that illuminate far yet don't blind oncomming traffic. BTW this issue is only a low beam issue. HID highbeams simply blow Halogens away.
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Originally posted by vtechbrain
60% of HIDS reached the marker only 30% of Halogens do. I think those findings are self explanatory. Consumer reports I think is a little off the mark on HIDS. The only factor in lights is not how far they go. Hids have a much whiter light with a much wider dispersion. You can "see" much better with HID light. They do have a point it is hader to design hids that illuminate far yet don't blind oncomming traffic. BTW this issue is only a low beam issue. HID highbeams simply blow Halogens away.
60% of HIDS reached the marker only 30% of Halogens do. I think those findings are self explanatory. Consumer reports I think is a little off the mark on HIDS. The only factor in lights is not how far they go. Hids have a much whiter light with a much wider dispersion. You can "see" much better with HID light. They do have a point it is hader to design hids that illuminate far yet don't blind oncomming traffic. BTW this issue is only a low beam issue. HID highbeams simply blow Halogens away.
HIDs don't always mean "better lighting." That's the point.
Many authorities on the topic disagree with your premise that "HID highbeams simply blow halogens away:"
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
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I think trolling is the point.
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Trollin' trollin' trollin',
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Keep those long threads going,
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On fogs and HIDs and G35s
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Trollin' trollin' trollin',
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Keep those long threads going,
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Originally posted by svtmike
I think trolling is the point.
Mike
Trollin' trollin' trollin',
HD keeps on trollin'
Keep those long threads going,
Rawhide!
On fogs and HIDs and G35s
No matter that facts aren't on his side
HD keeps on trollin'
Rawhide!
I think trolling is the point.
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Trollin' trollin' trollin',
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Keep those long threads going,
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No matter that facts aren't on his side
HD keeps on trollin'
Rawhide!
Is there any way for us to take a vote & kick HD the hell off these boards...not sure anyone really enjoys his worthless threads.
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Originally posted by VTEC=happiness
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Is there any way for us to take a vote & kick HD the hell off these boards...not sure anyone really enjoys his worthless threads.
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Is there any way for us to take a vote & kick HD the hell off these boards...not sure anyone really enjoys his worthless threads.
HID headlamps don't necessarily equate to better lighting.
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Is there any way for us to take a vote & kick HD the hell off these boards...not sure anyone really enjoys his worthless threads.
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Is there any way for us to take a vote & kick HD the hell off these boards...not sure anyone really enjoys his worthless threads.
As far as HIDs, all I can say is that GENERALLY HIDs are going to illuminate much better than halogens. This may not be true in all cases, but I'd still rather have the HID/Xenons.
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Must be a cold winter in Rhode Island because HD is spending waaaayyyyy too much time talking about a car that he can't afford.
BEAT IT LOSER!!!!!!!!:bigun2: :rocketwho
BEAT IT LOSER!!!!!!!!:bigun2: :rocketwho
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Originally posted by jwaters943
If you think this is bad, you should have been around when he used to post on the Acura TSX forums. The guy loves to stir the pot and be contrary to nearly everyone he comes into contact with.
As far as HIDs, all I can say is that GENERALLY HIDs are going to illuminate much better than halogens. This may not be true in all cases, but I'd still rather have the HID/Xenons.
If you think this is bad, you should have been around when he used to post on the Acura TSX forums. The guy loves to stir the pot and be contrary to nearly everyone he comes into contact with.
As far as HIDs, all I can say is that GENERALLY HIDs are going to illuminate much better than halogens. This may not be true in all cases, but I'd still rather have the HID/Xenons.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
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Originally posted by Bartman
Must be a cold winter in Rhode Island because HD is spending waaaayyyyy too much time talking about a car that he can't afford.
BEAT IT LOSER!!!!!!!!:bigun2: :rocketwho
Must be a cold winter in Rhode Island because HD is spending waaaayyyyy too much time talking about a car that he can't afford.
BEAT IT LOSER!!!!!!!!:bigun2: :rocketwho
The TL would be a fabulous car if could be had with a FACTORY INSTALLED/RPO A-spec package (minus the useless add on body parts that come with it) @ a negotiated price of ~ $32,500.
I'm not going to drop ~ $33K on a car and then pay the same dealership another ~ $6K to install the parts that should have been installed by the factory to begin with.
All in all, it's a very nice car as it is - until one starts to drive it hard.
Personally, I'd glady sacrifice "bluetooth" and "5.1 DVD" for a set of factory installed Konis.
I simply get amazed by some of the blind statements people make about it without having the slightest bit of actual knowledge to back those statements.
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Whenever I drive my wifes's 2002 Mazda MPV or my Mom's 2002 Honda Accord that have regular headlights, I feel BLIND after driving my TL! As far as I'm concerned, HIDs make a HUGE difference.
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Originally posted by dulnev
Whenever I drive my wifes's 2002 Mazda MPV or my Mom's 2002 Honda Accord that have regular headlights, I feel BLIND after driving my TL! As far as I'm concerned, HIDs make a HUGE difference.
Whenever I drive my wifes's 2002 Mazda MPV or my Mom's 2002 Honda Accord that have regular headlights, I feel BLIND after driving my TL! As far as I'm concerned, HIDs make a HUGE difference.
It might very well be that the TL has nice headlamps.
The assertion is that HID doesn't NECESSARILY equate to superior lighting and that many throw the term around to imply otherwise.
"My car has HIVs so it has better lights than you car which doesn't have them."
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Wow HD, you just don't get it. From reading some of your posts, I am beginning to think that you are actually trying not to get it. You seem to feed off of provoking the good people on this board. Time and time again you have shown that you are an insecure little boy who wants nothing more in life than for us to tell you that you did a good thing by buying a G35. Maybe this board should adopt you as a pet; someone to be pitied and handled with care until you can grow up a little and stop needing to have others justify your actions.
Regardless of your ability or desire to understand this; HID provides brighter and more visually "usable" light than halogen can. While the distance the light travels may or may not be as far, what falls within the lighted range is significantly more visable with HID than with halogen. The idea is to be able to see what is out there, not just throw weak yellow light at objects that you can't make out until they are too close. HID is simply better lighting and for someone to even suggest that distance is more important than discernment is ignorance in its highest form.
HD you have made some interesting arguments in the past, but this is not one of them. Move on.
Regardless of your ability or desire to understand this; HID provides brighter and more visually "usable" light than halogen can. While the distance the light travels may or may not be as far, what falls within the lighted range is significantly more visable with HID than with halogen. The idea is to be able to see what is out there, not just throw weak yellow light at objects that you can't make out until they are too close. HID is simply better lighting and for someone to even suggest that distance is more important than discernment is ignorance in its highest form.
HD you have made some interesting arguments in the past, but this is not one of them. Move on.
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Maybe if we used e-code lights and not the lights sanctioned by the lazy government imbosiles at the D.O.T., we wouldn't have this problem.
Or if more cars had auto- or manual-leveling features (required in Europe) we could have a longer/stronger beam length.
Or if more cars had auto- or manual-leveling features (required in Europe) we could have a longer/stronger beam length.
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In my humble opinion the lights on my TL blow away any other head light I've ever used.
The lights on the TL create a light that makes it easier for me to see directly in front of me, when I combine them with the integrated fog lights I get better side dispertion.
As to this issue on which is better, every car I've driven with the newer lights "seems" like it lights the road better, if it doesn't I can't tell, I do know that they seem to so I'm ignorantly happy.
The lights on the TL create a light that makes it easier for me to see directly in front of me, when I combine them with the integrated fog lights I get better side dispertion.
As to this issue on which is better, every car I've driven with the newer lights "seems" like it lights the road better, if it doesn't I can't tell, I do know that they seem to so I'm ignorantly happy.
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sooo, your new accord can't take a TL off the line, so you hype up the G35. your new accord apparently didn't come with Xenons, so you have to knock on the HIDs.
don't get me wrong, i like the new accord coupe...in fact, it seems that i like it a lot more than you do and i didn't have to buy one to appreciate it.
if you have to justify everything you have in life to everyone around you, i'm wondering how you deal with other inadequacies...
sooo, your new accord can't take a TL off the line, so you hype up the G35. your new accord apparently didn't come with Xenons, so you have to knock on the HIDs.
don't get me wrong, i like the new accord coupe...in fact, it seems that i like it a lot more than you do and i didn't have to buy one to appreciate it.
if you have to justify everything you have in life to everyone around you, i'm wondering how you deal with other inadequacies...
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Originally posted by TLud
harddrivin-
sooo, your new accord can't take a TL off the line, so you hype up the G35. your new accord apparently didn't come with Xenons, so you have to knock on the HIDs.
don't get me wrong, i like the new accord coupe...in fact, it seems that i like it a lot more than you do and i didn't have to buy one to appreciate it.
if you have to justify everything you have in life to everyone around you, i'm wondering how you deal with other inadequacies...
harddrivin-
sooo, your new accord can't take a TL off the line, so you hype up the G35. your new accord apparently didn't come with Xenons, so you have to knock on the HIDs.
don't get me wrong, i like the new accord coupe...in fact, it seems that i like it a lot more than you do and i didn't have to buy one to appreciate it.
if you have to justify everything you have in life to everyone around you, i'm wondering how you deal with other inadequacies...
So I don't care about what my Accord (automatic sedan V6 EX) can or can't "take."
And the lighting articles I posted speak for themselves. I fail to see what you have to gain by substituting personal attacks for objective realities.
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Originally posted by TLud
harddrivin-
sooo, your new accord can't take a TL off the line, so you hype up the G35. your new accord apparently didn't come with Xenons, so you have to knock on the HIDs.
don't get me wrong, i like the new accord coupe...in fact, it seems that i like it a lot more than you do and i didn't have to buy one to appreciate it.
if you have to justify everything you have in life to everyone around you, i'm wondering how you deal with other inadequacies...
harddrivin-
sooo, your new accord can't take a TL off the line, so you hype up the G35. your new accord apparently didn't come with Xenons, so you have to knock on the HIDs.
don't get me wrong, i like the new accord coupe...in fact, it seems that i like it a lot more than you do and i didn't have to buy one to appreciate it.
if you have to justify everything you have in life to everyone around you, i'm wondering how you deal with other inadequacies...
So I don't care about what my Accord (automatic sedan V6 EX) can or can't "take." The Accord is intended to serve as a commuter/winter car.
And the lighting articles I posted speak for themselves. I fail to see what you have to gain by substituting personal attacks for objective realities.
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Originally posted by lindros2
Maybe if we used e-code lights and not the lights sanctioned by the lazy government imbosiles at the D.O.T., we wouldn't have this problem.
Or if more cars had auto- or manual-leveling features (required in Europe) we could have a longer/stronger beam length.
Maybe if we used e-code lights and not the lights sanctioned by the lazy government imbosiles at the D.O.T., we wouldn't have this problem.
Or if more cars had auto- or manual-leveling features (required in Europe) we could have a longer/stronger beam length.
Of course, Eurpean speed limits tend to be higher, so they require longer reaching headlamps.
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I'd put money on the fact that most Protege5 owners with their "superior" halogen lamps would switch to a nice set of HIDs if given the opportunity. Why?
Because they look better and they illuminate the crucial area in front of the car much better. By your argument, I could mount a spot light on my hood, which would illuminate a spot half a mile down the road, and that would be the best light available (nevermind that you couldn't see anything in between unless it was directly in front of you).
HIDs are nice because I get a clearer view of the sides of the road at night as well as right in front of me.
You talk about your objective facts, but facts can be just as subjective as opinion, especially when they are used to only tell one side of the story. Somehow, your facts always seem to do just that...
Because they look better and they illuminate the crucial area in front of the car much better. By your argument, I could mount a spot light on my hood, which would illuminate a spot half a mile down the road, and that would be the best light available (nevermind that you couldn't see anything in between unless it was directly in front of you).
HIDs are nice because I get a clearer view of the sides of the road at night as well as right in front of me.
You talk about your objective facts, but facts can be just as subjective as opinion, especially when they are used to only tell one side of the story. Somehow, your facts always seem to do just that...
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having the HID bulbs does not necessitate better lighting. brighter, yes, but not always better. and even then, it's subjective.
the protege5 may be able to light up the 600' marker, but it does so by sacrificing width. some people are more comfortable being able to see what's on the adjacent lanes and others just want to light up their own lanes. it's a personal preference.
regardless of HID or halogen low beam lighting, you can still easily outdrive the low beams on any car. that being the case, i rather be able see wider than farther.
the protege5 may be able to light up the 600' marker, but it does so by sacrificing width. some people are more comfortable being able to see what's on the adjacent lanes and others just want to light up their own lanes. it's a personal preference.
regardless of HID or halogen low beam lighting, you can still easily outdrive the low beams on any car. that being the case, i rather be able see wider than farther.
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Originally posted by usc
having the HID bulbs does not necessitate better lighting. brighter, yes, but not always better. and even then, it's subjective.
the protege5 may be able to light up the 600' marker, but it does so by sacrificing width. some people are more comfortable being able to see what's on the adjacent lanes and others just want to light up their own lanes. it's a personal preference.
regardless of HID or halogen low beam lighting, you can still easily outdrive the low beams on any car. that being the case, i rather be able see wider than farther.
having the HID bulbs does not necessitate better lighting. brighter, yes, but not always better. and even then, it's subjective.
the protege5 may be able to light up the 600' marker, but it does so by sacrificing width. some people are more comfortable being able to see what's on the adjacent lanes and others just want to light up their own lanes. it's a personal preference.
regardless of HID or halogen low beam lighting, you can still easily outdrive the low beams on any car. that being the case, i rather be able see wider than farther.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
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Originally posted by Skeedatl
Oooooo aging 1LE slomaro. My GN with crap all over your POS chevy. And I'm sure there's someone out there with a low 10s car that will smoke my GN.
So Fing what.
Oooooo aging 1LE slomaro. My GN with crap all over your POS chevy. And I'm sure there's someone out there with a low 10s car that will smoke my GN.
So Fing what.
Stock for stock, a TL is quicker than a GN.
Pick up the latest issue of HOT ROD. An LS1 F-body in there is in the 10s and the ONLY internal engine mod was the cam. And no, there is no blower or no bottle.
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Originally posted by TLud
I'd put money on the fact that most Protege5 owners with their "superior" halogen lamps would switch to a nice set of HIDs if given the opportunity. Why?
Because they look better and they illuminate the crucial area in front of the car much better. By your argument, I could mount a spot light on my hood, which would illuminate a spot half a mile down the road, and that would be the best light available (nevermind that you couldn't see anything in between unless it was directly in front of you).
HIDs are nice because I get a clearer view of the sides of the road at night as well as right in front of me.
You talk about your objective facts, but facts can be just as subjective as opinion, especially when they are used to only tell one side of the story. Somehow, your facts always seem to do just that...
I'd put money on the fact that most Protege5 owners with their "superior" halogen lamps would switch to a nice set of HIDs if given the opportunity. Why?
Because they look better and they illuminate the crucial area in front of the car much better. By your argument, I could mount a spot light on my hood, which would illuminate a spot half a mile down the road, and that would be the best light available (nevermind that you couldn't see anything in between unless it was directly in front of you).
HIDs are nice because I get a clearer view of the sides of the road at night as well as right in front of me.
You talk about your objective facts, but facts can be just as subjective as opinion, especially when they are used to only tell one side of the story. Somehow, your facts always seem to do just that...
http://www.consumerreports.org/main...D=1057508800888
"We compared 31 cars and trucks with halogen lights and 10 with HIDs, measuring their ability to light the road ahead and along the sides as well as checking them for glare (see Headlight testing).
Six out of 10 vehicles with HIDs and 9 out of 31 with halogens reached the 400-foot marker on our test course with low beams, compared with an average of 335 feet for all models tested.
The farthest so far: the inexpensive, halogen-equipped Mazda Protegé5. Its low beams illuminated our 600-foot marker without creating a glare problem."
DETAILED ARTICLE ON HID LIGHTS:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
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Originally posted by harddrivin1le
It's not "my" argument:
http://www.consumerreports.org/main...D=1057508800888
"We compared 31 cars and trucks with halogen lights and 10 with HIDs, measuring their ability to light the road ahead and along the sides as well as checking them for glare (see Headlight testing).
Six out of 10 vehicles with HIDs and 9 out of 31 with halogens reached the 400-foot marker on our test course with low beams, compared with an average of 335 feet for all models tested.
The farthest so far: the inexpensive, halogen-equipped Mazda Protegé5. Its low beams illuminated our 600-foot marker without creating a glare problem."
DETAILED ARTICLE ON HID LIGHTS:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
It's not "my" argument:
http://www.consumerreports.org/main...D=1057508800888
"We compared 31 cars and trucks with halogen lights and 10 with HIDs, measuring their ability to light the road ahead and along the sides as well as checking them for glare (see Headlight testing).
Six out of 10 vehicles with HIDs and 9 out of 31 with halogens reached the 400-foot marker on our test course with low beams, compared with an average of 335 feet for all models tested.
The farthest so far: the inexpensive, halogen-equipped Mazda Protegé5. Its low beams illuminated our 600-foot marker without creating a glare problem."
DETAILED ARTICLE ON HID LIGHTS:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
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Originally posted by adam209
is that all you do? cut and paste whatever you can find? get lost you troll
is that all you do? cut and paste whatever you can find? get lost you troll
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The man is back at it again to preaching about "objective realities." This after poo-pooing the upper-mounted TL foglights with about 20 posts.
Up next week: DVD-audio is over-rated.
Then: Stability control is over-rated.
Then: Memory seats are over-rated.
So on and so forth until he reaches the holy grail: The TL is "objectively" only worth $3000 more than the Accord.
Up next week: DVD-audio is over-rated.
Then: Stability control is over-rated.
Then: Memory seats are over-rated.
So on and so forth until he reaches the holy grail: The TL is "objectively" only worth $3000 more than the Accord.
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Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Objective, 3rd party articles should stand head and shoulders above personal insults, but it's pretty clear which of those two you prefer.
Objective, 3rd party articles should stand head and shoulders above personal insults, but it's pretty clear which of those two you prefer.
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Originally posted by jrock65
The man is back at it again to preaching about "objective realities." This after poo-pooing the upper-mounted TL foglights with about 20 posts.
Up next week: DVD-audio is over-rated.
Then: Stability control is over-rated.
Then: Memory seats are over-rated.
So on and so forth until he reaches the holy grail: The TL is "objectively" only worth $3000 more than the Accord.
The man is back at it again to preaching about "objective realities." This after poo-pooing the upper-mounted TL foglights with about 20 posts.
Up next week: DVD-audio is over-rated.
Then: Stability control is over-rated.
Then: Memory seats are over-rated.
So on and so forth until he reaches the holy grail: The TL is "objectively" only worth $3000 more than the Accord.
I'd prefer a set of factory Konis over the DVD audio/Bluetooth duo.
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Originally posted by adam209
no. i'm tired of jackasses like you posting articles finding little faults in the TL. all i know is that i'm happy with my HID's and will take them over halogens anyday. so be happy with your inferior halogens, ok?
no. i'm tired of jackasses like you posting articles finding little faults in the TL. all i know is that i'm happy with my HID's and will take them over halogens anyday. so be happy with your inferior halogens, ok?
I'm gald you're happy with them; maybe the TL's HIDS work well.
But I'm tired of hearing people ASSUME that HIDS are superior to halogens because that's not always the case.
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Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Objective, 3rd party articles should stand head and shoulders above personal insults, but it's pretty clear which of those two you prefer.
Objective, 3rd party articles should stand head and shoulders above personal insults, but it's pretty clear which of those two you prefer.
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Originally posted by Papaman677
I personally like to tape 2 flashlights to the front of my car and paint the lense blue, move over HID's i've got Duracell's
I personally like to tape 2 flashlights to the front of my car and paint the lense blue, move over HID's i've got Duracell's
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Ah, so this thread has nothing to do with the 3rd Gen TL, just HIDs and Halogens in general. Move to Off-topic anyone?
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Originally posted by Corn
How "objective" is Daniel Stern's so-called "article"? Seems to me that HID's compete against his product line as he offers not a single HID product. His objectivity is seriously in question.
How "objective" is Daniel Stern's so-called "article"? Seems to me that HID's compete against his product line as he offers not a single HID product. His objectivity is seriously in question.
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Originally posted by Papaman677
I personally like to tape 2 flashlights to the front of my car and paint the lense blue, move over HID's i've got Duracell's
I personally like to tape 2 flashlights to the front of my car and paint the lense blue, move over HID's i've got Duracell's
:lol1: :lol2: that just made my day