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there is also the reliability issue of running a turbo. and when shit hits the fan it probably wont be cheap (as the OP was hoping) and it will probably be a major headache for the OP if he cannot locate the source of his turbocharged engine problem
I will tell you some bit of advice coming from someone who has been there done that and then some. I work as a technician for Acura, been doing this for 7 years. As I told my G/F 5 years ago when she got her 1st car and as I told her sister and many others who owned 1st cars. A Vehicle is a big expense, it is something that WILL need service, needs insurance and most importantly needs some form of fuel to run. For an 18 year old with let's say with 5-10k take home money a year this vehicle is out of your reach to use as a daily driver. It will cost you a younger driver up to $2,000 a year to insure. Figure another $3,000 for gasoline a year, and figure $4,000 a year or less for maintenance as in oil changes, tire rotations, filters, brakes ect.. typical stuff. Factor all that in and your average person your age spends 5K min. a year just to own a vehicle..
Now, to say you can buy a civic Si and turbo it and this and that is false. Force induction in general defeats the purpose of having a reliable vehicle.. Now I know there's those that will tell you other wise but there are many that will tell you if you don't build the car correctly for F/I as in internals, fuel supply and a proper tune you will end up with a motor failure very quickly. Best Advice I can provide for you is, your better off getting something more practical and reliable as your vehicle. Civics are good, so are corollas. Think of it this way, retail stores pay you once every two weeks.. IF your making only 200-250 every two weeks and you take your TL in for service, It needs an oil change with filters well that's about $200.00 right there. Logic says this vehicle isn't practical for a younger driver with little funds.
Best of luck, with your decision.
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I was not going to post intill I saw this..
I will tell you some bit of advice coming from someone who has been there done that and then some. I work as a technician for Acura, been doing this for 7 years. As I told my G/F 5 years ago when she got her 1st car and as I told her sister and many others who owned 1st cars. A Vehicle is a big expense, it is something that WILL need service, needs insurance and most importantly needs some form of fuel to run. For an 18 year old with let's say with 5-10k take home money a year this vehicle is out of your reach to use as a daily driver. It will cost you a younger driver up to $2,000 a year to insure. Figure another $3,000 for gasoline a year, and figure $4,000 a year or less for maintenance as in oil changes, tire rotations, filters, brakes ect.. typical stuff. Factor all that in and your average person your age spends 5K min. a year just to own a vehicle..
Now, to say you can buy a civic Si and turbo it and this and that is false. Force induction in general defeats the purpose of having a reliable vehicle.. Now I know there's those that will tell you other wise but there are many that will tell you if you don't build the car correctly for F/I as in internals, fuel supply and a proper tune you will end up with a motor failure very quickly. Best Advice I can provide for you is, your better off getting something more practical and reliable as your vehicle. Civics are good, so are corollas. Think of it this way, retail stores pay you once every two weeks.. IF your making only 200-250 every two weeks and you take your TL in for service, It needs an oil change with filters well that's about $200.00 right there. Logic says this vehicle isn't practical for a younger driver with little funds.
Best of luck, with your decision.
I will tell you some bit of advice coming from someone who has been there done that and then some. I work as a technician for Acura, been doing this for 7 years. As I told my G/F 5 years ago when she got her 1st car and as I told her sister and many others who owned 1st cars. A Vehicle is a big expense, it is something that WILL need service, needs insurance and most importantly needs some form of fuel to run. For an 18 year old with let's say with 5-10k take home money a year this vehicle is out of your reach to use as a daily driver. It will cost you a younger driver up to $2,000 a year to insure. Figure another $3,000 for gasoline a year, and figure $4,000 a year or less for maintenance as in oil changes, tire rotations, filters, brakes ect.. typical stuff. Factor all that in and your average person your age spends 5K min. a year just to own a vehicle..
Now, to say you can buy a civic Si and turbo it and this and that is false. Force induction in general defeats the purpose of having a reliable vehicle.. Now I know there's those that will tell you other wise but there are many that will tell you if you don't build the car correctly for F/I as in internals, fuel supply and a proper tune you will end up with a motor failure very quickly. Best Advice I can provide for you is, your better off getting something more practical and reliable as your vehicle. Civics are good, so are corollas. Think of it this way, retail stores pay you once every two weeks.. IF your making only 200-250 every two weeks and you take your TL in for service, It needs an oil change with filters well that's about $200.00 right there. Logic says this vehicle isn't practical for a younger driver with little funds.
Best of luck, with your decision.
Very well said, a lot of people dont take that into consideration when buying a car, if you dont do the math about cost to own before buying a car you will be in trouble.
Burning Brakes
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From: NYC
^ his math on the maintenance aspect for the TL is a little bit off but i think we all get the point he is trying to make.
OP went from saying he is going broke from paying for the gas in his TL on the first post to saying he wants to buy a civic and turbo charge it.
OP you should let your financial situation settle down before you start making big decisions like that.
Stick with the TL my
OP went from saying he is going broke from paying for the gas in his TL on the first post to saying he wants to buy a civic and turbo charge it.
OP you should let your financial situation settle down before you start making big decisions like that.
Stick with the TL my
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OP - I pay around $80 up here but I made a conscious decision to purchase this vehicle as a true pleasure vehicle and not a daily driver. If I was going to get a daily driver I would have bought a TSX.
I noticed earlier in the thread that someone linked to fuel cleaners. I usually add in a bottle of STP (the top of the line stuff) on a bare ass tank before I fill it up for a road trip in my truck. I'm sure that there's absolutely no issue putting this stuff into the TL, but I'm still a bit apprehensive. Anyone else fuel system cleaners like STP, Chevron concentrate, etc.? Which is the best?
I noticed earlier in the thread that someone linked to fuel cleaners. I usually add in a bottle of STP (the top of the line stuff) on a bare ass tank before I fill it up for a road trip in my truck. I'm sure that there's absolutely no issue putting this stuff into the TL, but I'm still a bit apprehensive. Anyone else fuel system cleaners like STP, Chevron concentrate, etc.? Which is the best?
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i posted the link.
pretty sure the chevron is the best one, its also one of the pricier ones. if you dont want to pay that price i would suggest lucas oil which is approximately half the price of the chevron
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/dis...el%20Treatment
and how do you pay $80 a tank? that boggles my mind because i live in NY where the gas prices are one of the highest in the country and its like $60-$65 to fill up my tank
edit: here is my math... the tl has a 17 gallon fuel tank... of that 17, 2 of it is in the reserve tank... so when there is 2 gallons left in the tank you are at BELOW the E mark on the fuel gauage. now the gas here is approx $4.25 a gallon so $4.25 X 15 = $63.75.
for the sake of argument lets say you used all 17 gallons (which would be very stupid) the math would come out to like this 17 X $4.25 = $72.25
that still does not make 80 dollars. putting 19 gallons of premium fuel into your 17 gallon fuel tank would equal $80.75 at the price of $4.25 a gallon of premium gas
pretty sure the chevron is the best one, its also one of the pricier ones. if you dont want to pay that price i would suggest lucas oil which is approximately half the price of the chevron
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/dis...el%20Treatment
and how do you pay $80 a tank? that boggles my mind because i live in NY where the gas prices are one of the highest in the country and its like $60-$65 to fill up my tank
edit: here is my math... the tl has a 17 gallon fuel tank... of that 17, 2 of it is in the reserve tank... so when there is 2 gallons left in the tank you are at BELOW the E mark on the fuel gauage. now the gas here is approx $4.25 a gallon so $4.25 X 15 = $63.75.
for the sake of argument lets say you used all 17 gallons (which would be very stupid) the math would come out to like this 17 X $4.25 = $72.25
that still does not make 80 dollars. putting 19 gallons of premium fuel into your 17 gallon fuel tank would equal $80.75 at the price of $4.25 a gallon of premium gas
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OP - I pay around $80 up here but I made a conscious decision to purchase this vehicle as a true pleasure vehicle and not a daily driver. If I was going to get a daily driver I would have bought a TSX.
I noticed earlier in the thread that someone linked to fuel cleaners. I usually add in a bottle of STP (the top of the line stuff) on a bare ass tank before I fill it up for a road trip in my truck. I'm sure that there's absolutely no issue putting this stuff into the TL, but I'm still a bit apprehensive. Anyone else fuel system cleaners like STP, Chevron concentrate, etc.? Which is the best?
I noticed earlier in the thread that someone linked to fuel cleaners. I usually add in a bottle of STP (the top of the line stuff) on a bare ass tank before I fill it up for a road trip in my truck. I'm sure that there's absolutely no issue putting this stuff into the TL, but I'm still a bit apprehensive. Anyone else fuel system cleaners like STP, Chevron concentrate, etc.? Which is the best?
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His location = Victoria, B.C. Different pricing, as well as impact of exchange rate.
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I was not going to post intill I saw this..
I will tell you some bit of advice coming from someone who has been there done that and then some. I work as a technician for Acura, been doing this for 7 years. As I told my G/F 5 years ago when she got her 1st car and as I told her sister and many others who owned 1st cars. A Vehicle is a big expense, it is something that WILL need service, needs insurance and most importantly needs some form of fuel to run. For an 18 year old with let's say with 5-10k take home money a year this vehicle is out of your reach to use as a daily driver. It will cost you a younger driver up to $2,000 a year to insure. Figure another $3,000 for gasoline a year, and figure $4,000 a year or less for maintenance as in oil changes, tire rotations, filters, brakes ect.. typical stuff. Factor all that in and your average person your age spends 5K min. a year just to own a vehicle..
Now, to say you can buy a civic Si and turbo it and this and that is false. Force induction in general defeats the purpose of having a reliable vehicle.. Now I know there's those that will tell you other wise but there are many that will tell you if you don't build the car correctly for F/I as in internals, fuel supply and a proper tune you will end up with a motor failure very quickly. Best Advice I can provide for you is, your better off getting something more practical and reliable as your vehicle. Civics are good, so are corollas. Think of it this way, retail stores pay you once every two weeks.. IF your making only 200-250 every two weeks and you take your TL in for service, It needs an oil change with filters well that's about $200.00 right there. Logic says this vehicle isn't practical for a younger driver with little funds.
Best of luck, with your decision.
I will tell you some bit of advice coming from someone who has been there done that and then some. I work as a technician for Acura, been doing this for 7 years. As I told my G/F 5 years ago when she got her 1st car and as I told her sister and many others who owned 1st cars. A Vehicle is a big expense, it is something that WILL need service, needs insurance and most importantly needs some form of fuel to run. For an 18 year old with let's say with 5-10k take home money a year this vehicle is out of your reach to use as a daily driver. It will cost you a younger driver up to $2,000 a year to insure. Figure another $3,000 for gasoline a year, and figure $4,000 a year or less for maintenance as in oil changes, tire rotations, filters, brakes ect.. typical stuff. Factor all that in and your average person your age spends 5K min. a year just to own a vehicle..
Now, to say you can buy a civic Si and turbo it and this and that is false. Force induction in general defeats the purpose of having a reliable vehicle.. Now I know there's those that will tell you other wise but there are many that will tell you if you don't build the car correctly for F/I as in internals, fuel supply and a proper tune you will end up with a motor failure very quickly. Best Advice I can provide for you is, your better off getting something more practical and reliable as your vehicle. Civics are good, so are corollas. Think of it this way, retail stores pay you once every two weeks.. IF your making only 200-250 every two weeks and you take your TL in for service, It needs an oil change with filters well that's about $200.00 right there. Logic says this vehicle isn't practical for a younger driver with little funds.
Best of luck, with your decision.
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Haha, thanks for all the advice! I'm sticking with my TL/giving it some maintenance. I say shit I don't mean when I'm mad/broke hahaha. I'm not going to a shit Civic.
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Good, a civic is one of the highest stolen vehicles of all time. I know exactly what your feeling, had a rsx that averaged 30-32 miles per gallon down to about 20 with the tl. Another great alternative is buying a motorcycle, they are cheap these days, get your license and ride a bike to work or grocery stores or those short trips where the tl isn't needed! Best thing I've done.
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Hell a TSX of the same year gets that. Not to mention members here get that too on their TLs. I agree about turboing, it's expensive to do and also expensive if not done right. IDK how you're doing $80 fillups, I'm guessing since you're young you drive A LOT. My last car was a supercharged 2000 Mazda Millenia, Millenium Edition. The Miller-Cycle wasn't made for performance but for MPG. For the year it had comparable MPGs to a 4cyl and yes I'm a student myself. Higher education isn't cheap but I feel you'll do better keeping the TL. When gas was $4/gal here I was around 55-60ish a tank. And I also live in FL and today I looked and premium is 3.80 something.
My point is, I'd never get into another car payment for the sake of saving gas when I'm not going to save more. I see you spending more more money in gas on the Si (smaller tank = more fillups) to pretty much get the same amount of range your TL gets. IDK how many miles are on your car nor do i know how you drive it. I had bad O2s on my last car and that really took the mpgs down a bit. I lost about 4-5mpgs/gal.
But going from a more powerful car to a smaller less powerful car and they both get comparable mileage just sucks in my opinion. This is what I've noticed. People look at pennies instead of dollars @ the point. So what if gas goes up 10 cents? It's NOT that big of deal. If you wanna know how much it'll cost per mile BREAK it down, do the math. If I see a jump of 50cent-1.00 then yeah it'll add more to fill up, but I also see how much I get a tank. It's funny, cause I know people who've traded in their MIDSIZED cars (many had 4cyls) to save gas and downsized to a compact. Not only are they getting comparable mpg's to their previous car, they're also at the pump more and usually it adds up to them spending MORE.
Keep the TL.
I dont complain much about gas cause I know I need it. I like how people complain about 3-4 bucks/gal for gas but drive jacked up trucks with 37s on them and caked with mud or sports cars. I've done the $4/gal thing an I'm sure I'll do $5-6 in 10-20 years or so. I've heard grandparents talk about how gas was so many cents to the gal. I'm like WOW wish that was like that now, but paying for gas ISN'T the biggest part of the annual income. Now for us younger kids a $400 check for 2 wks and it takes $60 to fill up, then yea it's more significant. I'ma good budgeter so I make things work. This is the new norm, just like how It was 2-3 decades ago. Give it 20-30 years and we'll be talkin to OUR grandkids about how gas was $3-4 dollars and how WE thought it was expensive then.
It's more to it than looking @ pennies on the dollar. BTW I definitely don't know financial status but the people i know who complain about gas, they are the ones who'd you call "keepin up with the joneses" and care way more about WANTS than NEEDs. How the hell do you let your electric bill get $800 but can go clothes shopping and clubbing etc? I know plenty of people who pay their bills JUST enough to keep the utilities. I was not going to post intill I saw this..
I will tell you some bit of advice coming from someone who has been there done that and then some. I work as a technician for Acura, been doing this for 7 years. As I told my G/F 5 years ago when she got her 1st car and as I told her sister and many others who owned 1st cars. A Vehicle is a big expense, it is something that WILL need service, needs insurance and most importantly needs some form of fuel to run. For an 18 year old with let's say with 5-10k take home money a year this vehicle is out of your reach to use as a daily driver. It will cost you a younger driver up to $2,000 a year to insure. Figure another $3,000 for gasoline a year, and figure $4,000 a year or less for maintenance as in oil changes, tire rotations, filters, brakes ect.. typical stuff. Factor all that in and your average person your age spends 5K min. a year just to own a vehicle.
I will tell you some bit of advice coming from someone who has been there done that and then some. I work as a technician for Acura, been doing this for 7 years. As I told my G/F 5 years ago when she got her 1st car and as I told her sister and many others who owned 1st cars. A Vehicle is a big expense, it is something that WILL need service, needs insurance and most importantly needs some form of fuel to run. For an 18 year old with let's say with 5-10k take home money a year this vehicle is out of your reach to use as a daily driver. It will cost you a younger driver up to $2,000 a year to insure. Figure another $3,000 for gasoline a year, and figure $4,000 a year or less for maintenance as in oil changes, tire rotations, filters, brakes ect.. typical stuff. Factor all that in and your average person your age spends 5K min. a year just to own a vehicle.
Makes me appreciate things even more.
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Good, a civic is one of the highest stolen vehicles of all time. I know exactly what your feeling, had a rsx that averaged 30-32 miles per gallon down to about 20 with the tl. Another great alternative is buying a motorcycle, they are cheap these days, get your license and ride a bike to work or grocery stores or those short trips where the tl isn't needed! Best thing I've done.
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OP the thing about the Si is, it's not very fuel efficient compared to the other Civics in the lineup and other cars in the same class. Not to mention the smaller gas tank. I looked at the mpg est. of the the 06 Si and it's 23/32. Hell a TSX of the same year gets that. Not to mention members here get that too on their TLs. I agree about turboing, it's expensive to do and also expensive if not done right. IDK how you're doing $80 fillups, I'm guessing since you're young you drive A LOT. My last car was a supercharged 2000 Mazda Millenia, Millenium Edition. The Miller-Cycle wasn't made for performance but for MPG. For the year it had comparable MPGs to a 4cyl and yes I'm a student myself. Higher education isn't cheap but I feel you'll do better keeping the TL. When gas was $4/gal here I was around 55-60ish a tank. And I also live in FL and today I looked and premium is 3.80 something. My point is, I'd never get into another car payment for the sake of saving gas when I'm not going to save more. I see you spending more more money in gas on the Si (smaller tank = more fillups) to pretty much get the same amount of range your TL gets. IDK how many miles are on your car nor do i know how you drive it. I had bad O2s on my last car and that really took the mpgs down a bit. I lost about 4-5mpgs/gal.
But going from a more powerful car to a smaller less powerful car and they both get comparable mileage just sucks in my opinion. This is what I've noticed. People look at pennies instead of dollars @ the point. So what if gas goes up 10 cents? It's NOT that big of deal. If you wanna know how much it'll cost per mile BREAK it down, do the math. If I see a jump of 50cent-1.00 then yeah it'll add more to fill up, but I also see how much I get a tank. It's funny, cause I know people who've traded in their MIDSIZED cars (many had 4cyls) to save gas and downsized to a compact. Not only are they getting comparable mpg's to their previous car, they're also at the pump more and usually it adds up to them spending MORE. Keep the TL.
Ah yes $2000/yr for insurance, man those were the days. I had to pay for EVERYTHING. Insurance, car payment, maintenance, but I did it. Makes me appreciate things even more.
Hell a TSX of the same year gets that. Not to mention members here get that too on their TLs. I agree about turboing, it's expensive to do and also expensive if not done right. IDK how you're doing $80 fillups, I'm guessing since you're young you drive A LOT. My last car was a supercharged 2000 Mazda Millenia, Millenium Edition. The Miller-Cycle wasn't made for performance but for MPG. For the year it had comparable MPGs to a 4cyl and yes I'm a student myself. Higher education isn't cheap but I feel you'll do better keeping the TL. When gas was $4/gal here I was around 55-60ish a tank. And I also live in FL and today I looked and premium is 3.80 something. My point is, I'd never get into another car payment for the sake of saving gas when I'm not going to save more. I see you spending more more money in gas on the Si (smaller tank = more fillups) to pretty much get the same amount of range your TL gets. IDK how many miles are on your car nor do i know how you drive it. I had bad O2s on my last car and that really took the mpgs down a bit. I lost about 4-5mpgs/gal.But going from a more powerful car to a smaller less powerful car and they both get comparable mileage just sucks in my opinion. This is what I've noticed. People look at pennies instead of dollars @ the point. So what if gas goes up 10 cents? It's NOT that big of deal. If you wanna know how much it'll cost per mile BREAK it down, do the math. If I see a jump of 50cent-1.00 then yeah it'll add more to fill up, but I also see how much I get a tank. It's funny, cause I know people who've traded in their MIDSIZED cars (many had 4cyls) to save gas and downsized to a compact. Not only are they getting comparable mpg's to their previous car, they're also at the pump more and usually it adds up to them spending MORE.
Keep the TL.Ah yes $2000/yr for insurance, man those were the days. I had to pay for EVERYTHING. Insurance, car payment, maintenance, but I did it.
Makes me appreciate things even more.
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In all seriousness, I really appreciate that. I really just lucked out and found a heck'uv'a deal. You can read all about my mid-life crisis here: https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/ttribes-german-kimchi-then-german-then-blow-up-engine-then-fix-journey-thread-822243/
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