105k Service....OOF
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105k Service....OOF
Already hit the timing belt service on my 07 TL-S...just dropped it off to my friend Chris at Hendrick Honda. I asked him to go easy on me! 
Also having him install rear camber kits for me due to a tire wear issue (that apparently is happening to more and more people, it's not isolated to me), give me a treadwear report so I can warranty these tires and get a prorated discount on some new ones, and take care of a few other loose odds and ends that have been bothering me.
Seriously though, for those of you who are wondering whether the TL holds up under heavy usage and relatively high mileage, I can say absolutely. Just look at mmade's car before he sold it. I haven't had any serious issues really, just regular maintenance and some stuff that probably didn't need to be addressed but I'm a car guy and anal about them. *knock on wood*
I also finally decided to pull the trigger on XLR8's Jpipe too
PCDs to come after I get through getting raped this tax season.
Also having him install rear camber kits for me due to a tire wear issue (that apparently is happening to more and more people, it's not isolated to me), give me a treadwear report so I can warranty these tires and get a prorated discount on some new ones, and take care of a few other loose odds and ends that have been bothering me.
Seriously though, for those of you who are wondering whether the TL holds up under heavy usage and relatively high mileage, I can say absolutely. Just look at mmade's car before he sold it. I haven't had any serious issues really, just regular maintenance and some stuff that probably didn't need to be addressed but I'm a car guy and anal about them. *knock on wood*
I also finally decided to pull the trigger on XLR8's Jpipe too
PCDs to come after I get through getting raped this tax season.
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Nice! This is the first car that I've kept for more than a year in a half in my entire life....so i figure I might as well plunk down the investment and beat it into the ground. A lot of the stuff (like the APP sensor) I could easily do myself I just don't have time anymore to do general maintenance. The Jpipe I'll do myself at some point over the next 2 weeks.
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Same here...but I went with the rv6 v3 pipe...can't wait to get it installed either. still 40K away from the 105K service though, thankfully!
Although I've seafoamed, done plugs, air filter, throttle body cleaning, egr valve cleaning, swapped brake fluid, clutch fluid and will be doing radiator fluid soon.
J.
Although I've seafoamed, done plugs, air filter, throttle body cleaning, egr valve cleaning, swapped brake fluid, clutch fluid and will be doing radiator fluid soon.
J.
Same here...but I went with the rv6 v3 pipe...can't wait to get it installed either. still 40K away from the 105K service though, thankfully!
Although I've seafoamed, done plugs, air filter, throttle body cleaning, egr valve cleaning, swapped brake fluid, clutch fluid and will be doing radiator fluid soon.
J.
Although I've seafoamed, done plugs, air filter, throttle body cleaning, egr valve cleaning, swapped brake fluid, clutch fluid and will be doing radiator fluid soon.
J.
I'm at 40k and my throttle body is still shiny and clean.
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Wow, you've put some miles on it. I'm just approaching 50k and have a pretty good list of "stuff" needed when I get there.
Let me know what Hendrick charges for the 105k service. I love their service dept, they've always treated us well. Their sales dept, not so much.
Let me know what Hendrick charges for the 105k service. I love their service dept, they've always treated us well. Their sales dept, not so much.
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Curious about your treadwear issues... Have you done any suspension modifications or purchased new tires? From what I have read, almost all treadwear issues stem from improper alignment...
I'd look at getting a fresh alignment rather than a camber kit, may solve your problems.
I'd look at getting a fresh alignment rather than a camber kit, may solve your problems.
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Curious about your treadwear issues... Have you done any suspension modifications or purchased new tires? From what I have read, almost all treadwear issues stem from improper alignment...
I'd look at getting a fresh alignment rather than a camber kit, may solve your problems.
I'd look at getting a fresh alignment rather than a camber kit, may solve your problems.
08' TL-S Rear Camber Question
On a different note.....100K on your 07 TL-S, congrats!! I thought I had alot of miles on mine. I picked mine up with 50K and put an additional 25K in 13 months.
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Can't go wrong with a camber kit...we're set pretty negative from factory. It's likely the TOE being off is what killed the tires though. Plus, it's scary...sometimes you go to the shop and the machine is not calibrated etc.
I went one day and got an alignment...got my numbers back.
Steering wheel wasn't straight (I'm anal) so I went back next day and numbers looked way different. Guy said the machine is ultra sensitive...but c'mon...made me feel like they were ballparking the alignment.
I went one day and got an alignment...got my numbers back.
Steering wheel wasn't straight (I'm anal) so I went back next day and numbers looked way different. Guy said the machine is ultra sensitive...but c'mon...made me feel like they were ballparking the alignment.
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Same here...but I went with the rv6 v3 pipe...can't wait to get it installed either. still 40K away from the 105K service though, thankfully!
Although I've seafoamed, done plugs, air filter, throttle body cleaning, egr valve cleaning, swapped brake fluid, clutch fluid and will be doing radiator fluid soon.
J.
Although I've seafoamed, done plugs, air filter, throttle body cleaning, egr valve cleaning, swapped brake fluid, clutch fluid and will be doing radiator fluid soon.
J.
Curious about your treadwear issues... Have you done any suspension modifications or purchased new tires? From what I have read, almost all treadwear issues stem from improper alignment...
I'd look at getting a fresh alignment rather than a camber kit, may solve your problems.
I'd look at getting a fresh alignment rather than a camber kit, may solve your problems.
Actually this is a huge issue for our cars. Below is one of many threads that explains.
08' TL-S Rear Camber Question
On a different note.....100K on your 07 TL-S, congrats!! I thought I had alot of miles on mine. I picked mine up with 50K and put an additional 25K in 13 months.
08' TL-S Rear Camber Question
On a different note.....100K on your 07 TL-S, congrats!! I thought I had alot of miles on mine. I picked mine up with 50K and put an additional 25K in 13 months.
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Funny enough, I think it's the precat deletes from RV6 that has the smell and rasp issue. Supposedly Jpipe doesn't change sound or add smell. At least the V3 one...
We'll see, I'm sure we'll both be equally happy!
We'll see, I'm sure we'll both be equally happy!
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That was my reasoning behind leaving the third cat with XLR8's pipe.Btw it came in today and what a beautiful piece. I was really impressed when I opened the box. Service went well, those guys really took care of me. I highly recommend anyone in the Charlotte region who wants to take their car to people they can trust to visit my boy Chris and Jeff the service rep at Hendrick Honda.
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Can't have it all I guess. 101k on mine...How much did they charge you? I was quoted around $700 by Acura and Honda. Both around the same price range.
I'm not quite due for my 105K yet- will be this summer. I spoke to two dealers, one of which (user name ronhensley) a member works for, and was quoted over a grand for the 105K service. Broken down it was timing belt and water pump=$850.00. Spark plugs=$250. And the actual "105K service" (dunno how this isn't the timing belt and water pump I just mentioned) for $284. For a grand total of about $1300. Dunno. The guy seemed nice, but something doesn't seem right. Here's the gist of the PM.
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Craig,
I am in sales but do work closely with our service department. I talked to them and here is what I found out. First not seeing your car I am not certain what it needs, the service manager said the valve adjustment is not normal so where that comes from he is not sure but that is not part of the 105k items recommended. There are a lot of things that should be done at 105k. If you have them all done (without valve adjustment) it could be around $1300.00 but I do have good news for you on that as well. I talked to our service manager and if you want to have this done here vs. Ed Martin we will give you a 10% discount on all of it. We also provide free loaner cars when your service takes over 2 hours and this will so we give you a free loaner car. At 105k ALL Honda motors recommend a timing belt job. That is replace the timing belt and water pump, that is $850.00, the platinum plugs should be replaced as they are original, that is $250.00, and the 105k service which is $284.00 and includes;
Replace Engine Oil and Filter
I am in sales but do work closely with our service department. I talked to them and here is what I found out. First not seeing your car I am not certain what it needs, the service manager said the valve adjustment is not normal so where that comes from he is not sure but that is not part of the 105k items recommended. There are a lot of things that should be done at 105k. If you have them all done (without valve adjustment) it could be around $1300.00 but I do have good news for you on that as well. I talked to our service manager and if you want to have this done here vs. Ed Martin we will give you a 10% discount on all of it. We also provide free loaner cars when your service takes over 2 hours and this will so we give you a free loaner car. At 105k ALL Honda motors recommend a timing belt job. That is replace the timing belt and water pump, that is $850.00, the platinum plugs should be replaced as they are original, that is $250.00, and the 105k service which is $284.00 and includes;
Replace Engine Oil and Filter
- Replace Brake Fluid
- Replace Engine Coolant
- Replace Differential Fluid (If Applicable)
- Rotate Tires, Check Tire Inflation and Condition
- Lubricate Locks, Latches, and Hinges
- Clean Air Cleaner
- Check All Lights
- Check Function of All Interior and Exterior Lights, and the Positions of the Headlights
- Adjust Parking Brake
- Top Off Fluid Levels and Check Condition of Fluids, Check for Leaks ( If Necessary, Add ATF, Engine Coolant, Brake Fluid, and Windshield Washer Fluid)
- Clean and Inspect Front and Rear Brakes
- Check Pads and Discs for Wear (Thickness), Damage, and Cracks
- Check Calipers for Damage, Leaks, and Tightness of Mounting Bolts
- Lubricate and Inspect Tie Rod Ends, Steering Gearbox, and Boots
- Check Rack Grease and Steering Linkage
- Check Boots for Damage and Leaking Grease
- Check Fluid Lines for Damage and Leaks
- Check Brake Lining for Cracking, Glazing, Wear, and Contamination
- Lubricate and Inspect Suspension Components
- Check Bolts for Tightness
- Check Condition of Ball Joint Boots for Deterioration and Damage
- Inspect Driveshaft Boots
- Check Boots for Cracks and Boot Bands for Tightness
- Inspect Brake Hoses and Lines (Including ABS)
- Check Master Cylinder, Proportioning Control Valve, and ABS Modulator for Damage and Leakage
- Inspect Cooling System Hoses and Connections
- Inspect Exhaust System
- Check Catalytic Converter Heat Shield, Exhaust Pipe, and Muffler for Damage, Leaks, and Tightness
- Inspect Fuel Lines and Connections
- Complimentary Car Wash and Vacuum
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I wont post up what I paid because I'm friends with the guys who got my service squared away, but I was told that normally labor alone for everything I had done (timing belt, pulleys, water pump, power steering service, oil change, transmission service, APP sensor and probably a few other things I forgot) was $875. So folks getting quoted for over $1k on parts and labor for timing belt services is pretty normal for dealership pricing.
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I'm expecting to spend a grand when the time comes too.
I've done a lot of that stuff over time myself anyway...which gives me some peace of mind. and dang...$275 for the plugs! I think I paid $38 for them with a discount at advance auto and it took about 45 minutes of my time.
J.
Either way, I got 40K miles until I have to worry about this.
I've done a lot of that stuff over time myself anyway...which gives me some peace of mind. and dang...$275 for the plugs! I think I paid $38 for them with a discount at advance auto and it took about 45 minutes of my time.
J.
Either way, I got 40K miles until I have to worry about this.
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I would rather put the $1,000-$1,500 into mods, particularly audio mods than mostly labor to have a service performed. This will probably be the last time I do a timing belt change as my time is getting more and more limited.
As to the post earlier about alignment changing each time the car was brought in, check out the compliance bushings. The dealer showed me how they could align it, back it off the rack and straight back on the rack and check it again and the toe would be waaaay off due to the torn bushings.
As to the post earlier about alignment changing each time the car was brought in, check out the compliance bushings. The dealer showed me how they could align it, back it off the rack and straight back on the rack and check it again and the toe would be waaaay off due to the torn bushings.
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I would rather put the $1,000-$1,500 into mods, particularly audio mods than mostly labor to have a service performed. This will probably be the last time I do a timing belt change as my time is getting more and more limited.
As to the post earlier about alignment changing each time the car was brought in, check out the compliance bushings. The dealer showed me how they could align it, back it off the rack and straight back on the rack and check it again and the toe would be waaaay off due to the torn bushings.
As to the post earlier about alignment changing each time the car was brought in, check out the compliance bushings. The dealer showed me how they could align it, back it off the rack and straight back on the rack and check it again and the toe would be waaaay off due to the torn bushings.
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my TL experience
I just thought I'd share with everyone I have an '06 TL with about 134K miles on it. I racked up a ton of miles when my company was acquired and they moved our offices. I was driving 80 miles each way every day just to get to work. Anyways, around 65K miles my tranny died. They replaced it under warranty. While getting my 105K mile service I was told the tranny was making a strange noise and needed to be replaced again. Acura covered 85% of the cost but they should have covered the entire cost. I'm just waiting for the third one to go any time now. But I do have a significantly shorter commute to work now, so if the long commute contributed to the tranny issues, I hope I'll be in the clear here on out.
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I just thought I'd share with everyone I have an '06 TL with about 134K miles on it. I racked up a ton of miles when my company was acquired and they moved our offices. I was driving 80 miles each way every day just to get to work. Anyways, around 65K miles my tranny died. They replaced it under warranty. While getting my 105K mile service I was told the tranny was making a strange noise and needed to be replaced again. Acura covered 85% of the cost but they should have covered the entire cost. I'm just waiting for the third one to go any time now. But I do have a significantly shorter commute to work now, so if the long commute contributed to the tranny issues, I hope I'll be in the clear here on out.
I'm on my phone so it would take an hour to explain. Look up two threads titled" interesting conversation with my trans builder" by me and" racing atf" by Inaccurate. Follow these threads and use the type of fund and switch replacement interval they suggest and you'll never have another trans failure. Its a bold statement but true.
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You know there's a cure and a reason for the trans issues that Acura won't acknowledge, right. They transfer the old bad pressure switches that caused the original failure to the new trans which results in the second and third transmission going out quicker than the first.
I'm on my phone so it would take an hour to explain. Look up two threads titled" interesting conversation with my trans builder" by me and" racing atf" by Inaccurate. Follow these threads and use the type of fund and switch replacement interval they suggest and you'll never have another trans failure. Its a bold statement but true.
I'm on my phone so it would take an hour to explain. Look up two threads titled" interesting conversation with my trans builder" by me and" racing atf" by Inaccurate. Follow these threads and use the type of fund and switch replacement interval they suggest and you'll never have another trans failure. Its a bold statement but true.
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Dealerships in the SF Bay Area charge even more for the "105K" service. If the 10K service includes Timing Belt and Spark Plugs, these alone will run more than $1500. This does not even include the t-stat or "optional" parts.
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I've found that the MID is actually pretty accurate when it comes to service. Surprisingly this extends to oil changes. I had two separate oil analyses done on my engine oil and the MID was almost dead on as far as when the oil needed to be changed.
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I wont post up what I paid because I'm friends with the guys who got my service squared away, but I was told that normally labor alone for everything I had done (timing belt, pulleys, water pump, power steering service, oil change, transmission service, APP sensor and probably a few other things I forgot) was $875. So folks getting quoted for over $1k on parts and labor for timing belt services is pretty normal for dealership pricing.
Sound right based on what I've read here the past few years.
I think most people are paying (give or take) $900 - $1200 for 105k service at the dealer.
FWIW - the normal dealer labor rate here is about $105 per hour (that's what it was last year, might be up bit more currently). Indie or other non-dealer shops seem to be in the $65 - $90 per hour range.
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Yeah Bay area dealers are quoting me $1600 for the 105K service - thats excluding valve adjustments and spark plugs but includes oil change and lubrications. Labor at indie shops range from 650 to 1100 for TB, Valve adj and Spark plugs. Labor alone at dealers > $1200
One dealer said they will do a map test to figure out if the valves need adjustment. I couldnt get much info - can someone shed some light on it? He said if the map test comes out good, no need for adjustment. I think it will be additional labor when i have to actually get it done rather than doing it along with this service.
One dealer said they will do a map test to figure out if the valves need adjustment. I couldnt get much info - can someone shed some light on it? He said if the map test comes out good, no need for adjustment. I think it will be additional labor when i have to actually get it done rather than doing it along with this service.
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Yeah Bay area dealers are quoting me $1600 for the 105K service - thats excluding valve adjustments and spark plugs but includes oil change and lubrications. Labor at indie shops range from 650 to 1100 for TB, Valve adj and Spark plugs. Labor alone at dealers > $1200
One dealer said they will do a map test to figure out if the valves need adjustment. I couldnt get much info - can someone shed some light on it? He said if the map test comes out good, no need for adjustment. I think it will be additional labor when i have to actually get it done rather than doing it along with this service.
One dealer said they will do a map test to figure out if the valves need adjustment. I couldnt get much info - can someone shed some light on it? He said if the map test comes out good, no need for adjustment. I think it will be additional labor when i have to actually get it done rather than doing it along with this service.
Dealers can be somewhat decent in pricing or a total rip-off for the most part. The dealer near me has the Timing Belt service for 850 OTD with parts and labor. That includes the 5 parts that need to be replaced (Kaleb's 295 special) and then a coolant flush.
I'm just going to buy the parts from Kaleb and have the dealer do the complex stuff. I think I can do the thermostat and some of the other minor things myself.
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Map test? I'm guessing a compression check but that wouldn't show to much.
Dealers can be somewhat decent in pricing or a total rip-off for the most part. The dealer near me has the Timing Belt service for 850 OTD with parts and labor. That includes the 5 parts that need to be replaced (Kaleb's 295 special) and then a coolant flush.
I'm just going to buy the parts from Kaleb and have the dealer do the complex stuff. I think I can do the thermostat and some of the other minor things myself.
Dealers can be somewhat decent in pricing or a total rip-off for the most part. The dealer near me has the Timing Belt service for 850 OTD with parts and labor. That includes the 5 parts that need to be replaced (Kaleb's 295 special) and then a coolant flush.
I'm just going to buy the parts from Kaleb and have the dealer do the complex stuff. I think I can do the thermostat and some of the other minor things myself.
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The dealer said if the map value comes in lower than the expected value, then they will skip the valve adjustment. I guess they were talking about the vaccum test but like IHC said, no way to know if it is at the verge of needing an adjustment or not without measuring it with a feeler gauge.
I got a Honda dealer who said they can do the TB change alone for $500 if i provide the parts. So can i do the spark plugs and valve adjustments at another time. If i can break up these services, what would be the best order in which to do them? Is it better to do the spark plugs without the valve adjustments or is it better to do valve adjustments at the same time of the TB service because it saves labor since they are in there?
TIA for all the comments and help to a newbie.
I got a Honda dealer who said they can do the TB change alone for $500 if i provide the parts. So can i do the spark plugs and valve adjustments at another time. If i can break up these services, what would be the best order in which to do them? Is it better to do the spark plugs without the valve adjustments or is it better to do valve adjustments at the same time of the TB service because it saves labor since they are in there?
TIA for all the comments and help to a newbie.