typeR

as you can imagine i used catch crap all the time about the cars i couldnt possibly have beaten because magazines say theyre hi 12sec cars....

like i acctually pulled from a deep 2ng gear roll on a bone stock (as far as i know )'02 6mt SS camaro had it been from a dig i would have destroyed it ! most of my 1.9 60's were on toyo T1-S

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

Juam...I know you would like to do everything at once.....I would too, but at times with the budget issues you have to take one step at a time....

the way am looking at it is,
1> ECU + cams + retainers/springs/valves
2> Head work...prolly a stroked engine

Either way....do document your work

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

Makes more sense to do the head work and cams at the same time, then do the ecu; no sense getting it tuned twice.

Maybe do some flat valves to bump the compression ratio a little.

JuamPs 69

Well...I am happy to announce that the car will be dynoed with the TB bored set up and today I will be getting my estimate with the plug and play feature of the J&R ECU so we can do some tune to the car...

I am expecting above 300whp with the bolt ons and no tune...With tune a good 320whp watcha think?

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

320 will be optimistic....but u wont be far from it....

rush

iTrader: (1)

Would love to see some vids Pls

JuamPs 69

WHP and Peak WHP was averaged about 20whp on a NA stock car followed by the tune. Reaching the 320whp will all depend on what are the bolt ons making as of right now...The ECU has been purchased with all the ad ons to it including the harness for the plug and play.

Shipping and handling plus the fabrication of the harness we are looking at around 2 weeks before we get our hands on it...The car will be dynoed next week with the bolt ons...The shop is very busy with my race car since we are going for the final event this weekend at Palm Beach Racetrack for the NHRA final round...

We test tuned the integra the day before thanksgiving running a best of 9.43@164mph...Lets see what we can do this weekend. Followed by the final project on the TL for this year...

Sonnick

Looking forward to the results of the dyno. What mods are adding from last time again?

Wow. 164MPH trap, that's ridiculous. That's good for an 8 second pass. Are you spinning at the line?

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ either he is spinning or going easy on the throttle until the tires latch on....

Dave_B

That's in the 7 second realm. Maybe he meant 144mph.

Dave_B

That wouldn't make much sense because that would mean the traps would be even higher with a full throttle run

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ i know 164 is insane and I didnt want to say that he might have typo-ed.....what i meant is at the line for a split second, u go easy on the throttle and then step on it....this way u actually trap quicker speeds....

on a side note i remember street racing a 350z and he jumped on the throttle like a cat on a cup cake....he just sat there spinning at the light....

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

Juam, even if I think the dyno you're using may be a bit optimistic, I appreciate you tracking your car's changes with dyno runs on the same dyno. Don't stop now though! If I see solid gains from the ecu in your particular application, I'm all over it. I'm really hoping it fattens up the entire power band. Peak numbers are great for bragging rights, but these cars will really wake up with an honest 15+ whp/tq across the entire rev range. Do you know if the base map that ships with the ecu lowers V-TEC engagement?

JuamPs 69

Dave B...You are mis-informed...IT WAS AT 164MPH 144 is in the 10 second range for a Front Wheel Drive...During the summer the car pulled a 9.69@155mph

The day before thanksgiving we pulled a 9.43@164mph...That speed is trap for a as low as 9.1 to 8.9 secs on Front Wheel Drive...The record is held by Tony Palo from texas with an integra at 8.4@ around 185mph...

I am running 24.5 slicks not 25 in...the 0-60ft was 1.57 without wheeliebar.

Whether the dyno is optimistic or not...It has been the same dyno used for both cars...Either way since it is the same one, the tracking and progress in change of numbers represents a steady improvement on performance.

I will keep you updated with the ECU once we finalize this NA TL project...

JuamPs 69

Here is PROOF... once again for the second time...This is the video from the summer...9.69@155mph

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj_ZhyLPXJw

Here is the PROOF of the time slips for the 9.43@164mph....ANY QUESTIONS NOW?

http://jotechperformance.com/

JuamPs 69

The launch on the integra is done with the 2 step set up...If we increase tire width to 25inches...that could improve the time as well...It is running on a stock GSR tranny...meaning no dog-box transmission...With the racing tranny we could easily break the 8 sec barrier its just too expensive right now for me to pull it off...

I trust the dyno numbers since the track is living proof of trap speeds reflecting on dyno calculations. Sonnick no worries...My last 3 setups were as follows for the TL...Pre-cat deletes gave 290whp, followed by the ported lower intake runners 294whp/262tq...last is the Matching of the intake manifold to the bored TB made by kingmotorsports which this setup has not been dynoed yet...It will be next week...expecting to break with a bored TB the 300whp untuned...The ECU is on the way...

ANX1300c no worries dude...the computer has been purchased and there is no stopping now...The base map for the ecu does not move your vtec...but the ecu does bring the vtec controller feature. I will keep you all updated...starting with this upcoming race during the weekend, followed by next week's TL untuned Dyno...Followed by the ECU tuning

rush

iTrader: (1)

I thought that was chris's teggy for a sec looks alike
Quick vid

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/...h/a6e48001.mp4

JuamPs 69

Nice...but No lol...i can tell you it does have the same T1 catch can LMAO!!!

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ I gotta say great work Juam....

good looking mods to the TL and great progress captured....looking forward to see what the ECU can do

bouncer07

It's kind of scary how our TL's can make so much power on a single cam with mods untuned. 20 years ago, sohc was worthless to mod because it couldn't get more gains than the dohc's. If with the ECU, I would think it would put us at 10-12whp at the most, but if it can achieve 20whp it's pretty darn good.

JuamPs 69

Yeah there has been lots of changes with technology...The aftermarket Sohc will be part of the next project...Thanks for all of those following the progress.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

WHY THE FAWK ARE NO KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE IN KANSAS....all the folks i met who talk about cam and heads and porting and other shit are like atleast 800 miles away from me.... arrrrrghhhhh

Sonnick

Cuz who the fu3k lives in Kansas?

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ ahahaha i know bro....trying to move out of here....

Denver or Atlanta....its been decided LOL

JuamPs 69

LMMAAOOO you guys are too much lolol!!!

Dave_B

There are plenty of performance shops in Kansas City that are quite knowledgable about cams, heads, etc. The problem is they either work on Supras, EVOs, Subarus, inline 4 Hondas, and the typical domestics. There are many shops in KC that have made some very wild and fast cars. The J-series is not a widely popular motor to modify hence the reason no one in KC is going to open on up.

Have any of you actually done the calculations to see if the heads are actually a restriction? Don't automatically assume reworked heads will gain much power. On the VQ motors, the heads easily flow enough for 500whp. The cams are usually the bottle neck followed by displacement.

If you go into a shop and start saying things like I want the cams, blueprinted heads, and "forged" internals for my TL, they're going to think you're a bit of a joke and pulled the mod list off Gran Turismo. Without knowing the specific in-outs of the J-series, you can't blindly just start porting and opening up the heads and throwing in a couple reground cams and calling it good. There's so much more to it.

Dave_B

If you like to drive, Atlanta is not a good choice. I transferred there for 1 year and hated it. It's a great town and most of my relatives live there, but the traffic rivals LA and DC (no kidding). I lived in Alpharetta and my work was at GA400 and 285 (11 miles from home). No matter which way I drove, it took me 45 minutes to get to work and about 1 hour to get home and this was avoiding the rush hours. If I wanted to go Home Depot which was 4 miles away, that was a 20 minute drive. Everywhere you go, it's a crawl. The town grew way too fast and the city didn't expand the infrastructure. There's no way to fix it either.

If I didn't have to work, I probably would have stayed just because we were a lot closer to the beach. We moved back to KC and have been much happier, overall.

Sonnick

True, but those who build and work on the J have said the exhaust side of the head is where the restriction lies. Bigger valves and porting should free up 15-20hp according to NVA-V6 and Kiet.

It seems apparent the cams are also the culprit being that ethenol has trapped 108 with bolt ons/cams/ported intake and gerzand 103 in his auto with similar mods. Both with no headwork.

Once you start doing cams, the exhaust may need to be changed as well. Jpipe primary length is important in exhaust scavenging, and the same Jpipe that made 10whp on stock cams, may actually hurt performance with a larger cam. Ethenol reported a loss of .2 with the XLR8 Jpipe and Bisi's cam when compared to his stock Jpipe. I'm not sure if the MPH decreased, but that would be very important to note.

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

I peeked around as best I could inside the head when I changed the cats, and I think there's some power to be made on the exhaust side. I bet just some mild porting in that area with a good performance valve job would make a difference. I so wish we had normal heads so that we could run headers. I'm convinced that's why the fully bolted 2G Type-S 6MT swapped cars seem to be a little quicker. And they're only 10.5:1 CR.

Dave_B

IMO, it's all speculation until someone actually does it. People have massaged VQ heads, which look pretty nasty, only to find a few HP. Just because something looks restrictive doesn't necessarily mean it is. Sounds like a lot of work, but I guess you have try it at some point.

Dave_B

Absolutely. I still can't figure out why Honda did that with heads. It makes no sense.

JuamPs 69

Well as promised wanna share with you guys the first update which starts with the race car....On the qualifying rounds the car did a pass of 9.43@159....It has been consistent but by the second pass, the car broke the differential...even still compared in times with everybody else came in 4th place overall from all 32 cars...

Here is the link with the latest pics to include the new rear wing set-up. Next post will be the dyno for the TL untuned...

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=3005244

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ congrats bro.....consistently in the 9's is awesome.....