**OFFICIAL RLX THREAD** Update p.14: Prod. car to debut in LA 11/28
#41
Burning Brakes
The TL got a name for itself with the 2G model -- which still looks good. The latest one is not without appeal, but went a somewhat different direction from its predecessor.
Goes to show that good cars can succeed in spite of the name.
Will the RLX be co-branded as a Honda Legend, or a unique model (a la the TL)?
For all the grief we give, I still have to think designing, developing, and producing a car is a heck of a lot of hard work. Yes, the marketers and brand positioners can mung things up (think current RL), but the engineering and manufacturing know-how that goes into a car seems pretty amazing if you stop to think about it (think current RL).
They are now pushing the envelope to point where AWD with electric motors is an interesting concept -- and one that has probably taken years to develop. It's a gamble.
Like it or not, Acura's lineup is ultimately the product of many constraints.
#42
Also, there won't be the high loses that we currently have in the AWD transmission.
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#43
Thats exactly my point. Without any drive shaft, all the gas engine's n (the 3rd motor's) power will go to the front wheels. This system will work much better on NSX's configuration which is opposite.
#44
Senior Moderator
I'd do it if I bought one. Or I'd REbadge it as "Legend" so that the guys further up the food chain at Acura would finally get it that they made an error in changing the name to something that the majority of the car buying public gives 2 (shutyomouth )s about.
#45
How about a prize for first person to find and post a leaked pic?
#46
Senior Moderator
I agree that it does not seem that the dynamics will be comparable. Seems like in this new setup, the rear motors will mostly be used for torque vectoring. The good news is that electric motors have a flat torque curve.
Also, there won't be the high loses that we currently have in the AWD transmission.
Also, there won't be the high loses that we currently have in the AWD transmission.
I'll give them my .
#47
interesting
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...cura-line.html
Does anyone have the torque curve for our current RL?
Looks like a 20KW electric motor can deliver 184 lb-ft of torque.
Would like to compare to the 70% delivered to rear in current SHAWD at reasonable rpm in corner as 007 suggests
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...cura-line.html
Does anyone have the torque curve for our current RL?
Looks like a 20KW electric motor can deliver 184 lb-ft of torque.
Would like to compare to the 70% delivered to rear in current SHAWD at reasonable rpm in corner as 007 suggests
Last edited by getakey; 03-30-2012 at 01:08 PM.
#48
Senior Moderator
#50
interesting
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...cura-line.html
does anyone have the torque curve for our current rl?
Looks like a 20kw electric motor can deliver 184 lb-ft of torque.
Would like to compare to the 70% delivered to rear in current shawd at reasonable rpm in corner as 007 suggests
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...cura-line.html
does anyone have the torque curve for our current rl?
Looks like a 20kw electric motor can deliver 184 lb-ft of torque.
Would like to compare to the 70% delivered to rear in current shawd at reasonable rpm in corner as 007 suggests
#51
#53
The TL got a name for itself with the 2G model -- which still looks good. The latest one is not without appeal, but went a somewhat different direction from its predecessor.
Goes to show that good cars can succeed in spite of the name.
Will the RLX be co-branded as a Honda Legend, or a unique model (a la the TL)?
For all the grief we give, I still have to think designing, developing, and producing a car is a heck of a lot of hard work. Yes, the marketers and brand positioners can mung things up (think current RL), but the engineering and manufacturing know-how that goes into a car seems pretty amazing if you stop to think about it (think current RL).
Like it or not, Acura's lineup is ultimately the product of many constraints.
Goes to show that good cars can succeed in spite of the name.
Will the RLX be co-branded as a Honda Legend, or a unique model (a la the TL)?
For all the grief we give, I still have to think designing, developing, and producing a car is a heck of a lot of hard work. Yes, the marketers and brand positioners can mung things up (think current RL), but the engineering and manufacturing know-how that goes into a car seems pretty amazing if you stop to think about it (think current RL).
Like it or not, Acura's lineup is ultimately the product of many constraints.
I'm not suggesting that Honda/Acura isn't making good cars; I love mine. My point is that those names don't have to be poorly chosen. Nothing is forcing Acura into the "constraint" of renaming the Legend (as it's still called everywhere but America) or the TL (a name they still own). Nothing, that is, except its executives' own bad judgment.
Grappling for a metaphor: Some of us may be forced by circumstances to carry a gun, dangerous and inconvenient as that may be. None of us has to voluntarily put the barrel in our own mouth and pull the trigger.
#54
RLX SH²-AWD
Hey guys, was I right or what ! Holy cow, I can't believe I was right. Damn, am I psychic or what ! ha ha LOL
By the way, I think a Moderator should make a new sub-forum for the Third Generation RL (aka RLX) soon. So, then all these discussions and threads about the new 2013 RL/RLX can go under the new sub-forum. Right ?
Once the NY Auto Show happens, I am sure there will be lots of new threads about the new RL/RLX and they will be in the current second generation RL forum, unless someone creates the Third generation RL/RLX forum.
By the way, I think a Moderator should make a new sub-forum for the Third Generation RL (aka RLX) soon. So, then all these discussions and threads about the new 2013 RL/RLX can go under the new sub-forum. Right ?
Once the NY Auto Show happens, I am sure there will be lots of new threads about the new RL/RLX and they will be in the current second generation RL forum, unless someone creates the Third generation RL/RLX forum.
#55
"Acura officials last year told Inside Line that the RL replacement will be:
- larger than the current car
- will have best-in-class legroom, combining the cabin space of a BMW 7 Series sedan with the agility of a 5 Series
- seven-speed dual-clutch transmission.
The SH-AWD hybrid system also gets a high-performance lithium-ion battery and will provide "acceleration equivalent to V8 engines, as well as fuel efficiency equal or superior to inline four-cylinder engines," the company said."
We'll know more April 6th!
- larger than the current car
- will have best-in-class legroom, combining the cabin space of a BMW 7 Series sedan with the agility of a 5 Series
- seven-speed dual-clutch transmission.
The SH-AWD hybrid system also gets a high-performance lithium-ion battery and will provide "acceleration equivalent to V8 engines, as well as fuel efficiency equal or superior to inline four-cylinder engines," the company said."
We'll know more April 6th!
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#57
Hey guys, was I right or what ! Holy cow, I can't believe I was right. Damn, am I psychic or what ! ha ha LOL
By the way, I think a Moderator should make a new sub-forum for the Third Generation RL (aka RLX) soon. So, then all these discussions and threads about the new 2013 RL/RLX can go under the new sub-forum. Right ?
Once the NY Auto Show happens, I am sure there will be lots of new threads about the new RL/RLX and they will be in the current second generation RL forum, unless someone creates the Third generation RL/RLX forum.
By the way, I think a Moderator should make a new sub-forum for the Third Generation RL (aka RLX) soon. So, then all these discussions and threads about the new 2013 RL/RLX can go under the new sub-forum. Right ?
Once the NY Auto Show happens, I am sure there will be lots of new threads about the new RL/RLX and they will be in the current second generation RL forum, unless someone creates the Third generation RL/RLX forum.
Welllll...was it?
#58
Senior Moderator
Countdown...three days to 3G RL
As for the new "RLX forum", the admins will make that change after the official announcement, so not until later in the week probably, and depending on their schedule. I suppose it would be "RL/RLX" forum because the RLX is really the 3G RL.
#59
The press conference will be webcast live on www.acuranews.com. Press materials will be posted at www.acuranews.com immediately following the press conference.
#60
Senior Moderator
interesting
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...cura-line.html
Does anyone have the torque curve for our current RL?
Looks like a 20KW electric motor can deliver 184 lb-ft of torque.
Would like to compare to the 70% delivered to rear in current SHAWD at reasonable rpm in corner as 007 suggests
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...cura-line.html
Does anyone have the torque curve for our current RL?
Looks like a 20KW electric motor can deliver 184 lb-ft of torque.
Would like to compare to the 70% delivered to rear in current SHAWD at reasonable rpm in corner as 007 suggests
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-rl-2005-2012-76/dyno-completed-today-baseline-runs-697144/
And Bob's thread, but his dyno sheet has been removed. What's up Bob?
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-rl-2005-2012-76/m-003-my-rl-dynoed-part-2-post-mod-results-videos-pix-499256/
#61
007 - thanks
Interesting, I didn't think the torque was that flat.
I must have the torque value wrong on the electric engine. Couldn't be that high (184) for a 26 hp motor
Interesting, I didn't think the torque was that flat.
I must have the torque value wrong on the electric engine. Couldn't be that high (184) for a 26 hp motor
#62
Hmm - I just read article on MB's hybrid and they do say the 20KW motor produces 184 ftlb (250 NM) of torque! I believe electric engine torque is max at 0 rpm, so full torque can be applied from dead stop. Can't wait for specs on the RLX
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012...+Congress%2529
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012...+Congress%2529
#63
I don't remember seeing this before (sorry if repost)
http://blog.caranddriver.com/acuras-...ectric-motors/
http://blog.caranddriver.com/acuras-...ectric-motors/
#64
RLX SH²-AWD
Hey Tony & Bob,
No, I am not a ninja, spy or troll. And I do not have any connection to Acura at all. It was just a lucky guess. I'm just an average joe who loves his Acura RL
It just suddenly came to me one day, and a lightbulb went off above my head. That's why I posted it as a question in the forum.
I can't wait to go to the NY auto show this weekend !!
#65
Hey Tony & Bob,
No, I am not a ninja, spy or troll. And I do not have any connection to Acura at all. It was just a lucky guess. I'm just an average joe who loves his Acura RL
It just suddenly came to me one day, and a lightbulb went off above my head. That's why I posted it as a question in the forum.
I can't wait to go to the NY auto show this weekend !!
#66
Senior Moderator
Countdown.....2 days to 3G Acura RL
And Bob's thread, but his dyno sheet has been removed. What's up Bob?
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=499256
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=499256
Hey Tony & Bob,
No, I am not a ninja, spy or troll. And I do not have any connection to Acura at all. It was just a lucky guess. I'm just an average joe who loves his Acura RL
It just suddenly came to me one day, and a lightbulb went off above my head. That's why I posted it as a question in the forum.
I can't wait to go to the NY auto show this weekend !!
#67
Senior Moderator
Hmm - I just read article on MB's hybrid and they do say the 20KW motor produces 184 ftlb (250 NM) of torque! I believe electric engine torque is max at 0 rpm, so full torque can be applied from dead stop. Can't wait for specs on the RLX
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012...+Congress%2529
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012...+Congress%2529
#69
Pro
It is all marketing, fewer names, the more recognition by consumers. The consumer would be confused by the TSX, TL, RL so in their mind where does the RL fit and what goes inside the TL vs the TSX. What difference is there between the TL and the RL? So by badge simplification, you get a consumer that knows top and bottom of the sedans with IRX and RLX.
It is like owning a BMW vs a RL...to draw a comparison from a parallel...Iphone vs Android. Everyone has been sold on the BMW as THE car to own like an Iphone. The RL suffers from exposure *that can be both good and bad* Think of the RL as the Android in this scenario. The right marketing would push those sales through the roof as has Apple done with the Iphone.
Honestly, I don't want a BMW and I don't want an Iphone. I am happy with the RL we own and my Android works just as well as the Iphone for what I need it for and it was cheaper.
Over on my other BB we are discussing why FIAT hasn't brought over the new Alfa's for the dealerships that are here. It has been since 1995 that Alfa Romeo has pulled out of our market here in the USA. The company is selling cars all over the world bu here and have resolved many of the issues that were plaguing the marque. At least we are getting Acura's to buy and I still wait for the Alfa Romeo to show up. *sigh*
It is like owning a BMW vs a RL...to draw a comparison from a parallel...Iphone vs Android. Everyone has been sold on the BMW as THE car to own like an Iphone. The RL suffers from exposure *that can be both good and bad* Think of the RL as the Android in this scenario. The right marketing would push those sales through the roof as has Apple done with the Iphone.
Honestly, I don't want a BMW and I don't want an Iphone. I am happy with the RL we own and my Android works just as well as the Iphone for what I need it for and it was cheaper.
Over on my other BB we are discussing why FIAT hasn't brought over the new Alfa's for the dealerships that are here. It has been since 1995 that Alfa Romeo has pulled out of our market here in the USA. The company is selling cars all over the world bu here and have resolved many of the issues that were plaguing the marque. At least we are getting Acura's to buy and I still wait for the Alfa Romeo to show up. *sigh*
#70
Suzuka Master
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^^ Android phones outsell Iphones LOL But of course there are more different variations of Android phones that Iphones so you can sell more. i get what you're trying to say though. It does make sense for Acura to have all sedans as Blank-LX (ILX,TLX,RLX) and trucks as Blank-DX (RDX, MDX, ZDX) The names will just have to grow on us. TLX-S has a ring to it though
#71
so, tomorrow is the news conference, right?
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#74
2020 Acura RLX Advance
2013 RL Teased on Fox today
Fox and Friends did a live spot this morning from the NYC auto show at the Acura space. The RL was on stage under a thin cloth cover. Did not show much, but the roofline and C-Pillar which were visible look to be strikingly similar to the all new 2014 Impala which is also there.
I will be at the show Saturday.
Curious how the new RL will be priced and fuel efficiency gains.
I will be at the show Saturday.
Curious how the new RL will be priced and fuel efficiency gains.
#75
Drifting
The press conference will be webcast live on www.acuranews.com. Press materials will be posted at www.acuranews.com immediately following the press conference.
#78
Safety Car
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This was Posted @ CL w/ No Info
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#79
Senior Moderator
C'mon 1:50 PM! Let's see some actual pix and specs!
PS All comments on the new 3G RL/RLX will be merged into this thread.
PS All comments on the new 3G RL/RLX will be merged into this thread.
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#80
Safety Car
Thread Starter
Thoughts
I assume that the rims will never make it to production but it is interesting how all the lines kind of come together in front of the side mirror area. They definitely tried to reduce the front overhang. Please let there be chrome door handles on some versions ....
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