What's invoice on a tech? I'd aim for around there or maybe under. Really depends on your specific area.

 

The invoice is 29 something...

 

I'd probably go for it, but check Edmunds.com first and see what the true market value is in your zip code. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but maybe it will give you a ballpark estimate of what others are paying in your area.

 

I think that people don't give our subconscious enough credit for how much it has to do with shaping how we think. For example, even though you know a scary movie is fake, it puts you on edge all the same, progressively as it goes because you know it's fake but your subconscious observes it as well, and your subconscious doesn't know it's fake. Little by little it fooled into thinking you really are in danger, and it's fun.

Similarly I believe that if you expose a kid to things that are clearly rewards for success on the surface of their consciousness they will acknowledge that it's not their reward per se, but the less discriminating subconscious will draw a more simplistic conclusion "I have nice things therefor I must have done something right, and I will continue to do things right in the future."

I think everyone can relate to taking things for granted without realizing it. How many white folks take pride in their accomplishments without giving the tiniest bit of thought to white privilege? A company I worked for failed because the owner had been lucky, but he attributed all his success to himself, not luck, so he made bold stupid decisions that depleted the company's resources and it went under. I see egos getting inflated all around me through little fault of the person whos ego is expanding. It just happens.

Parents want to spoil their kids because they love them but I believe they are playing with fire.

 

TMV for my area is $29,482. Which is one dollar above invoice. I'm guessing we should hop on this.

 

I agree, this makes sense. I'm far from spoiled though. I have nothing to show but a cell phone as of now. My parents wont ever give me money to spend. I have to ask specifically for whatever I want, and that doesnt promise I'll get it. They really dont like for me to know how much things are that they buy for me, but Its almost impossible to hide that from me.

I'm very fortunate to be getting such a great car.

 

So then I'm confused on why you're handling the price and deciding when to take or refuse on offer? They're the ones paying for it, their name is going on the title, tag, insurance, etc., so they're the ones to decide. What you should be doing is be putting a big smile on your face letting them know that it's time to pull the trigger.

 

Okay, thats probably why they were talking on the phone with the salesmen earlier.
I was just making sure they werent spending more than they should, which seems like an okay to do thing to me.

Noone said I was handling the price.

You dont really have anything to say but negative things, so why bother.
I think I've let you voice your opinion alot and I've been more than fair.

 

I think you could negotiate them down at least a few hundred more. It's normally not the best negotiating practice to make your first offer your best offer, so the dealer is probably willing to go a bit lower.

 

I guess it must have been my white skin, and not my work ethic, that helped me earn a Ph.D. I should also ask my European immigrant grandparents how white privilege allowed them to work wonderful jobs in noisy, unsafe factories when they first entered the US.

 

It's real. Nobody is saying liife is a cake walk for white people but it does happen. Think of it as a +1 modifier.

full disclosure: I'm white

That not withstanding, everyone can identify a few instances in their life where they distinctly felt prideful over something they had little to do with.

 

Question: Since Asians have a higher average income than whites in the US, should their accomplishments also be diminished by some notion of "Asian privilege?"

 

I don't know

 

I dont think this thread is going anywhere.

Can we close it?

I found out all I needed to know...I THINK.

If not I'll just post another!

Thanks to everyone who helped!!

 

29,800 is a decent price, but you can definitely go lower by at least 2k, you have to remember the dealer buys the car at invoice price (around 29,000-30,000) and gets an additional rebate for each car (or incentive) which is around 5-10k, so realistically the dealer only payed 20-25k for that car. Tell them you'll take it for 26k (they'll say no, but you'll probably manage to get around 27 something, just make sure you tell the dealer 27 is the highest you can afford). They won't like barely making money off the sale, but selling a car and gaining a customer even at a loss is far better than losing a customer, especially in today's economy. If they still refuse tell them you'll need to shop around for other options, 99% of the time they'll call back and accept your offer. Remember a dealership or salesmen isn't a friend they're going to try and make as much money off of you as possible so playing hardball is nothing to feel sorry about, it's your money.

 

lol whoa this thread got off topic quick.

good luck with the new car

 

Thanks, you the same.

 

And I'm sorry but you really caught my eye on this one. The "incentive" you're talking about is called holdback, and in NO way, shape, or form is it 5-10k on a 30k car. You realize you're saying saying 33% of the msrp of the car????

Holdback is normally in the 2-3% range, and decreases as time on the lot increases. My dad used to be a salesman, and the figures you presented are incredibly out of proportion. Volume is what makes you money, not individual sales. And definitely not a profit of 30%. Hah, can you imagine that, no business would be more profitable than being a car salesman.

 

I said 5-10 depending on the car/variables, how is it absurd? Braman BMW sold my friend a 328i for 25k (new) a few years back, and the dealership told him after incentives/rebates that was the same they payed to buy the car.

EDIT: Maybe it depends on the company/dealer etc... But my understanding was the incentive is usually 5-10k on upscale cars (30k +). I could be wrong though.

 

Braman BMW in Miami? Dude, I'm from Miami, born and raised, and Miami dealers are a bunch of liars and crooks. That's why my dad got out of the car sales business after less than a year.

And I noticed you said "rebates". If they are manufacturer rebates, that's a different ballgame than holdback. Most of the time those rebates are advertised too.

 

Yeah Braman Miami, hate those dicks, gave me a tier 4 lease, when my credit score qualified for a tier 2 :|

I'm not sure what they're called or what the details are etc... All I know is that dealers usually buy their cars cheaper than invoice due to rebates/incentives from the manufacture and rarely mention that to consumers at least in Miami.

 

Lumryan, I suggest you shop around the price. Also change your avatar dude, from reading your posts I know you’re a cool dude, but the pic says d-bag. ahah, post up pics when you get the car.

 

The OP has requested that this thread be close; please cease further posting.

 

I would suggest you to go for Civic SI (Coupe or Sedan)if you are changing mind to consider it. Accord Coupe is big and a bit older for your age, and TSX would be a good choice against Civic SI, depending what you want (interior quality, appeal...etc)

 

It has to be something the OP's parents will be comfortable driving on occasion, as he has already stated previously.

Mods, please close this useless thread?

 

Guys/gals, please stay on topic. No more comments concerning white privilege or the OP's financial situation, please. If you don't have anything to contribute to the topic at hand, then keep your mouth shut.

Next person to go off topic gets a vacation.

 

No. Stop bringing up useless crap and stay on topic.

 

So...after this thread..that was posted ages ago...I got a Coupe!

 

What car? Pics?

 

Ewwww Accord Coupe Ewwww

 

lol i like the accord coupe, but wayy too big...

but congratz on ur car anways, im sure you'll love it!

post pic plzzzzz

 

not all ewwww front end is the best i have ever seen for a honda but the rear end now thats a different story to round looks like a ducks butt also pain in the ass to add hids i had to do it for my nephew and man my hand was cut up going through the fenders.

 

Damn, getting a CU2 TSX OTD for 29K is already hella good, and you basically almost ripping the dealer off, I believe. That's nearly 6K discount from the MSRP w/ tax. In my area the CU2 TSX w/ Tech w/ tax is 35.6K. Dropping it to 29K is hella big deal. Usually dealers never go lower than 3K discount for you. From what I encountered anyways.

Back to the post about Accord Coupe or TSX. Ladies or no ladies. Driving people or not. You're in high school; having a car in high school is already hella good status. Like someone has mentioned doors wouldn't matter in high school since people will ask you for rides no matter the doors. Someone also mentioned that if you have a sedan girls will use you. Girls will use you regardless of the doors; if they are the gold digger type. At the end of the day, you can either be the kid with just an Accord coupe or the kid in the luxury car. The TSX may not be the fastest car, but its no wear near slow. Its decent, and its faster than an Inline4 Accord Coupe. So TSX is the obvious choice when its faster, more luxurious, and more expensive. Having a roughly 30K car in high school and even college puts you at the top of the pack. Do you know how much high schoolers bus? A lot. And your 16 too. I got my TSX during senior year. Freshmens = Bus, Sophomore = Bus, Juniors/seniors = lucky few with cars. Making over 90% of high schoolers still bus or parents pick up. The other 10% is just cars in general and probably less than 5% of high schoolers have nice cars. In college the #s go up more for cars, but still a lot of college student still bus or carpool.

That being said, 16 with TSX = super good, so I respect your choice for buying the TSX. Hell, any car at 16 is good. As long its new you will get envy from people. As long as your not driving a 90s corolla or something. Haha^^

 

If I was 16, I would've gotten the coupe too. Congrats and give us the pictures!

 

Front end is okay. Little too squared off for my likes. Headlights look good, wish HIDs came standard. Projectors with halogen bulbs is stupid IMO. Spot on with the back...lol I can't stand it. So huge. Reminds me of the new CTS Coupe.

I think it's just awkward looking...like I think a Camry Solara is. Removing the back doors and shrinking up the car takes away a lot of weight, and for an automaker to achieve their desired FWD handling characteristics, they have to move the doors closer to the front wheels and push the rear wheels into last week. It just doesn't look "right" to me.



The front doors grow in length, also.

I digress. Because I see plenty of these driving around, and there's definitely a market for them. So jokes on me I guess.

 

^ I agree that projectors with no HIDs is plain stupid.

What's the point of projectors if you don't have HIDs?

Projectors were created to control the lighting of the HIDs, but not having HIDs and using projector for halogen really doesn't make sense.