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#3
not many people have fully built j32's... especially in the TL. people arent intentionally ignoring you.
its just fairly uncharted territory.
yes, alot of people here have bolt ons and even a few TC and SC's.. but your guess would almost be as good as most here.
my guess is people with j32 swaps in civics and such have more experience in making a fully built N/A.
there's too many ways to build a motor to put a specific number on it.
maybe explain a little more of what your trying to achieve and what your budget is.
its just fairly uncharted territory.
yes, alot of people here have bolt ons and even a few TC and SC's.. but your guess would almost be as good as most here.
my guess is people with j32 swaps in civics and such have more experience in making a fully built N/A.
there's too many ways to build a motor to put a specific number on it.
maybe explain a little more of what your trying to achieve and what your budget is.
#5
The service director at DMD Acura claims this engine is capable of 400hp at the crank . . . if I keep mine that long . . and have the money when it's time to rebuild . . . we'll see. We'll that's assuming I can solve the traction problems at @320+hp.
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#6
on race gas proably though, but for a streetable, pump gas motor, i proably would say 300-325 is about the max that it could make NA
Last edited by friesm2000; 01-12-2010 at 05:08 PM.
#7
okay well in mods i would like Full Headers, Test Pipe, Full Exhaust, bolt on P2r Intake Manifold with the bigger P2r Power Plenum, P2R Throttle Body Spacer, P2R Thermal Intake Gasket, Intake,Pulleys and tuning it as best as i can.
Pretty much i would like all bolt on .
Pretty much i would like all bolt on .
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#9
okay well in mods i would like Full Headers, Test Pipe, Full Exhaust, bolt on P2r Intake Manifold with the bigger P2r Power Plenum, P2R Throttle Body Spacer, P2R Thermal Intake Gasket, Intake,Pulleys and tuning it as best as i can.
Pretty much i would like all bolt on .
Pretty much i would like all bolt on .
does not matter cause that power is at the crank, and not at the wheels
but a 6 speed is more efficient at getting the power to the wheels, so it should be faster with a good driver, if all else is equal
#10
proably 275 max, without actually going inside the motor itself
Would swapping to a 3.5 manifold be better then the P2r setup?
does not matter cause that power is at the crank, and not at the wheels
but a 6 speed is more efficient at getting the power to the wheels, so it should be faster with a good driver, if all else is equal
Would swapping to a 3.5 manifold be better then the P2r setup?
does not matter cause that power is at the crank, and not at the wheels
but a 6 speed is more efficient at getting the power to the wheels, so it should be faster with a good driver, if all else is equal
#11
also a S/C is boost ,
and if you really want too, you can always (aka:spray)
or do a stroker motor, but then you are talking about going inside of the engine then (still techically a bolt-on, but not really though)
#13
the 3rd gen tl guys are getting just over 300whp NA. p2r doesnt have an intake manifold. u either get the plenums or the 06tl shawd manifold. and pnp, not home pnp bench tested pnp is where the power is. along with all the bolt ones. and one good ass tune
#17
I wouldn't go on boost thing is i don't want to blow the tranny. I want to say auto also but don't really want to go threw the headaches of swapping out tranny's with the 3gen tl tranny. Any suggests on what i can do to not cause this if i go on boost?
#19
Whats pnp? Which would be better swapping out the manifold for the 06 one? or getting the plenums? Also P2R making a lower manifold for the tl would that help out also?
I wouldn't go on boost thing is i don't want to blow the tranny. I want to say auto also but don't really want to go threw the headaches of swapping out tranny's with the 3gen tl tranny. Any suggests on what i can do to not cause this if i go on boost?
I wouldn't go on boost thing is i don't want to blow the tranny. I want to say auto also but don't really want to go threw the headaches of swapping out tranny's with the 3gen tl tranny. Any suggests on what i can do to not cause this if i go on boost?
dont use the 3rd gen tl intake manifold. 4th gen tl sh awd manifold and the bored throttle body along with thremo gaskets. p2r has ported and polished runners.
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#22
Whats pnp? Which would be better swapping out the manifold for the 06 one? or getting the plenums? Also P2R making a lower manifold for the tl would that help out also?
I wouldn't go on boost thing is i don't want to blow the tranny. I want to say auto also but don't really want to go threw the headaches of swapping out tranny's with the 3gen tl tranny. Any suggests on what i can do to not cause this if i go on boost?
I wouldn't go on boost thing is i don't want to blow the tranny. I want to say auto also but don't really want to go threw the headaches of swapping out tranny's with the 3gen tl tranny. Any suggests on what i can do to not cause this if i go on boost?
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also one little detonation would proably crack the sleeve right away anyways
#37
fsttyms1 is right...
Your logic doesnt make much sense. You are trying to get the most HP out of NA where as s/c alone can get you the power of all the bolt-ons itself. You'd be at the same HP level with the same problem. Boost doesn't break trannys, I believe torque/hp does.
I'd have to say along with everyone else, 6spd is the way to go. Go pm rv6 and get in line for a module. Best money you'll ever spend.
Your logic doesnt make much sense. You are trying to get the most HP out of NA where as s/c alone can get you the power of all the bolt-ons itself. You'd be at the same HP level with the same problem. Boost doesn't break trannys, I believe torque/hp does.
I'd have to say along with everyone else, 6spd is the way to go. Go pm rv6 and get in line for a module. Best money you'll ever spend.
#39
and as you know with the hybrid 3.6 builds, you just don't bore out the cylinders, then if you want a 3.7 you go 1mm overbore, so the logic would be 2mm overbore would be 3.8, 3mm overbore would be 3.9, then a 4mm overbore without any type of cylinder left would be a 4.0 (actually maybe a little bigger cause things do not size up proportionally, but i was going for something easy to figure out)
fsttyms1 is right...
Your logic doesnt make much sense. You are trying to get the most HP out of NA where as s/c alone can get you the power of all the bolt-ons itself. You'd be at the same HP level with the same problem. Boost doesn't break trannys, I believe torque/hp does.
I'd have to say along with everyone else, 6spd is the way to go. Go pm rv6 and get in line for a module. Best money you'll ever spend.
Your logic doesnt make much sense. You are trying to get the most HP out of NA where as s/c alone can get you the power of all the bolt-ons itself. You'd be at the same HP level with the same problem. Boost doesn't break trannys, I believe torque/hp does.
I'd have to say along with everyone else, 6spd is the way to go. Go pm rv6 and get in line for a module. Best money you'll ever spend.
adding weight to a car can also break the tranny easier too, cause the tranny has to work harder lugging all that extra shit around too, so a lighter car=a longer lasting tranny
and yeah there are much easier ways to get that kind of power and beyond that, by not staying NA
Last edited by friesm2000; 01-13-2010 at 04:59 PM.
#40
All this power talk and building.... reminds me to get back to work.
If you want numbers look for L'S TLS dyno. He had almost every bolt-on. J32A2 AUTO.
Get all bolt-ons, get a transmission Cooler and Tune with AEM FIC if you do not want to play with internals and such.
IMO, numbers don't prove what a car can do. If you can get traction and put that power to the ground, it is key. After all bolt-ons, I would personally polyfill the mounts, get a engine torque dampener, better tires, stiffer suspension. Make that power useful.
Oh, and ease off the gas and let the auto transmission do it's job by shifting gears. It should "band-aid" it for now until it actually slips.
If you want numbers look for L'S TLS dyno. He had almost every bolt-on. J32A2 AUTO.
Get all bolt-ons, get a transmission Cooler and Tune with AEM FIC if you do not want to play with internals and such.
IMO, numbers don't prove what a car can do. If you can get traction and put that power to the ground, it is key. After all bolt-ons, I would personally polyfill the mounts, get a engine torque dampener, better tires, stiffer suspension. Make that power useful.
Oh, and ease off the gas and let the auto transmission do it's job by shifting gears. It should "band-aid" it for now until it actually slips.