asloudasitgets

god damn i have a 2003 tls with aem cai and a comptech exhuast.

and well i dont get that rush i had with my 1997 eclipse gst.

yes the tl is much more refined and comfortable and just over all a better car. but i dont get any chills when i accelerate with my tls..

i miss my eclipse so much. there is no comparison to how my eclipse made me feel to the tls. in no ****ing way.

i think i should of kept my eclipse for another 3 years then get a car then.

****.

asloudasitgets

no responses?

snapple

Can you buy the LIPS back?

fuggedaboutid

ahem, GST = TURBO? TL-S won't give you the TURBO feeling, nor the manual tranny .

T Ho

Well, no turbo, and the car is at least 500 pounds heavier. There you go.
If you were looking for raw power, you bought the wrong kind of car, that's for sure. Try a Z06 next time.

SilverBulletCLS

The CL-S is faster than the GST I know the TLS is as well.

A more refined car you will not feel the speed as much as you do in a pocket rocket.

stiletto

Hahaha...I know what you be talkin' 'bout, however, you know, if you were to put that eclipse next to the TL, you'd see how all that extra rubber, soundproofing, and overhead the TL has, insulates you from that get-up-and-boogie feeling you say is missin'

The two vehicles being discussed here are in totally different classes. If you want speed rush, ride a two wheel 4 cylinder.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

This is exactly the reason. Your TL-S IS faster, it just doesn't FEEL faster. Same thing happened when I went from my '98 CL to the TL-S.... the CL felt faster... but it wasn't. I raced a guy with a new TL-S in my CL, and he beat me.... then I raced him with my TL-S and I beat him (I had an intake).... so it just proved that the TL was faster then my CL... even though it didn't feel like it......

hemants

My A4 1.8T turbo feels faster because it takes a split second for the turbo to spool up and then it lurches forward throwing you back in your seat.

However, my TLS is light years faster. It's not even funny how much faster it is.

If you want a placebo effect then go back to a turbo car.

BlackBeauty

LOL, less road and engine noise too

Ray_Khan

very true....on a side note...the big tuebo kits on the 1.8T's don't feel as fast as stock turbos with a chip....probably because the spool up time is more gradual where the stock K03 just kicks in right away full force. so the big turbo kits are in a way, deceptively fast with a peakier (less flat) torque curve.

But on another side note....I don't think a TLS is as fast as a turbo eclipse. I'm not sure what they run stock, but I know a guy who ran a 13.8 with just a boost controller his second time at the track. With a beefier clutch to ensure some nice AWD launches, imagine the potential of just the stock turbo. I would guess mid to high 14's are the norm for a turbo eclilpse.

fsttyms1

[QUOTE]Originally posted by asloudasitgets
god damn i have a 2003 tls with aem cai and a comptech exhuast.

and well i dont get that rush i had with my 1997 eclipse gst.

yes the tl is much more refined and comfortable and just over all a better car. but i dont get any chills when i accelerate with my tls..

i miss my eclipse so much. there is no comparison to how my eclipse made me feel to the tls. in no ****ing way.

i think i should of kept my eclipse for another 3 years then get a car then.

****. [/QUOTE
you think its faster only because you feel the onslot of the turbo kicking in, whereas the tl is more refined and linear acceleration but faster

1SICKLEX

This goes up there with the "should I use Premium gas" threads...

SilverBulletCLS

Eclipses will not run 13s with just a boost controller. lol.

The CL-S or TL-S will smoke a Eclipse turbo or non-turbo easy. I ran a guy in Houston which we became friends afterwards in my Maxima 5spd which was a 98 190 hp model with just CAI and exhaust. We ran, I left him each time. He had alot of mods too.

O-Ace

Stock vs. Stock, the TL/S will smoke the GS-T/X. All bets are off when you start modding tho

this is me

Hahahaha! guess i'm not the only one who feels that the TL-S is kinda slow. I know it's fast but it feels slow. I'm doing 45 and 50 on a 30 road and didnt even realize it until i look at the speedometer. Where as when i'm in my brother's camry, doing 40 and i will notice it right away. Just the other nite i did 95 on the freeway and i thought i was going 70. LOL! Damn i think i need to get myself a radar.

Raheel

YOU GUYS ARE COMPLAINING? You should be glad a car going that fast isnt shaking, that means its built well when your going 95 your can barely feel it, that means that they made a nice smooth ride..

this is me

No! dun get me wrong. I'm not complaining

tls988

In addition to use regular gasoline. Once in while, there is a chance that the regular TL engine is installed in the Type-S thus performed poorly like the 16 seconds 1/4 mile 03 Type-S tested by Car and Driver recently

Michellene

It is fast...it does "feel" slow...I tried to explain that to the highway patrol BOTH time they pulled me over within 4 weeks.

I use cruise control all the time now...since I cannot trust the "feeling" of speed in my TL-S.

Now, in my Integra GSR, you could feel it and hear it. I miss that little car, ONLY because I went 129K before EVER needing breaks. I have had a break job already at 9K in the TL-S...I don't know how that can happen...I NEVER use them!

Ray_Khan

people often say the east coast tracks are faster, but I have no idea if they are and how much faster, but I guy I know ran a 14.0@93 in his eclipse in New Hamshire in teh spring with basic mods. I can't find the post, but when the guys went up to the same NH track a few weeks ago, and it was really cold, he ran a 13.8. I know a stock eclipse is about 210 hp and 205 ft lb tq. It is relatively light and can launch well with it's AWD. Turbo cars really run well in the cold (all cars do of course) since the air is denser...so more air mass at the same boost. I have ni idea what an intake, exhasut and boost controller can do witha stock turbo, but I would assume it can be close to 250 hp and a crapload of torque. My puny little 1.8T Audi engine can be tuned to 220-230 hp and 250 ft lbs of torque on 93 octane fuel. So I'd assume the potential of the lighter, better geared eclipse is about what I've guessed. I know a guy who has ran 14.6@93 in a porky A4 on 93 octane fuel in 70 degree weather with 17" wheels. Actually, Ferizzo was there that night as well. he ran a 15.2@93. The guy in the A4 had a stock turbo but a chip, and I belive an exhasut and possibly an intake. The guy obviously drives well since he had a 1.8 or 1.8 60 ft time. So with allthat said, turbo eclipses are fast. Witrh a good driver, they can put down some good times with very few mods.

look at the bottom of this thread

SilverBulletCLS

Corrrection. Only AWD GSX or Talons can put down good times just like the WRX because they are AWD and launch really hard. A GST willl never hit 14s stock ever or even with basic mods. AWD in a way is CHEATING for most 1/4 races against other cars because they have 4 tires getting grip instead of 2. They can produce a llow 1/4 time, but most other car swill kill them on a roll.

Ray_Khan

I had no idea there were non AWD eclipse turbos out there. My bad....I thought they were all AWD (tubo ones that is). I would think at hp in the 200 hp range, AWD isn't helping since it is robbing power to the wheels and adding weight. At least this is true in the heavier A4/passat...FWD A4's/passats can run mid to low 14's while the quattro cars run high 14's to high 15's. Quattro cars get better 60 ft times, but lose out on the top end. AWD is especially nice in the cold when power is up and traction is down. You can actually take advantage of the extra power sicen you can get traction. AWD is really nice when you have a lot of power and it's tough to hoock it up on the launch.

Turboara

you should have kept the eclipse AND got the TL, that way you could have a nice refined fast car that fits people, looks good, hauls A$$ and has nice luxury features.... and also have a side car for taking to the track and blasting around the local streets every now & then.... which is why I lept my 1990 eagle talon tsi awd and got me the TL-S

1SICKLEX

The TL-S is anything but slow. It feels fast to me and is fast. It is a fast car, this is really weird.

BlackShadow

Maybe your TL-S was built on a Monday?!!

snapple

Anything but slow. I was racing a CL-S the other day and I smoked him at 130 and I didn't even know that I was goin that fast. My girl was sitting nest to me and she was on the cell phone chatting away like nothing was happening. I shut it down at around 138.

stiletto

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.... weren't you gigling when you realized it?

NobleMike

Maybe he thinks the TL-S is slow because it is lower in torque than other cars of similar horsepower? I know in my comparison when I drove the G35 vs. the TL-S, there is a definite difference in launching the cars. Once you get beyond that, they're equal. Every Honda I've had have always been high revvers and a little less torque.

vsop TL-S

I'm not complaining either...I had an Accord V6 before my TL and it felt a little faster, but of course it wasn't...I know because after getting my TL-S I smoked the shiet out of my sister's Accord v6...bad...hahahaha But don't sweat it because it just goes to show that the TL was well built.

Ray_Khan

agreed...but add in RWD vs FWD and the shape of the torque curve. A flat torque curve makes with more low end torque will make a care feel faster as well. Part of the reason a turbo cars feel so fast. Unless they are running big turbos of course.

Edr0e

A stock 99 Eclipse GSX will smoke a TL-S! That is a fact. Off the line the Eclipse will take at least a car and a half. AWD is no joke when theres someone who knows how to drive.

GS-T on the other hand will lose to the TL-S due to loss of traction.

99 ECLIPSE GSX vs. 2003 CL- Type S (6spd) Now thats a race!

What do ya guyz think?

RUF87

Lex ol' buddy, what are you saying. Are you getting soft on us Acura boyz?

BTW - we'll see how fast mine is next weekend . . . if it doesn't rain or sleet. :P

Ruf

TLover8888

yure not serious, are you?

SilverBulletCLS

Even on a roll the TL-S/CL-S will slaughter the GST/GSX 5mph and up.

MB-telecom

AWD most definitely gives one the advantage for 60 ft. times. Many guys with only 'lightly modded' Stealth RT/TTs and 3000 GT/VR4s are getting 1.6 and 1.7 sec. 60 ft. times.

Car And Driver tested the 3000 GT/VR4 when it first came out. They were getting 5.4 sec from 0 - 60. The 1/4 mile was coming by at high 90's at 14.3 or so. Later that year they got a clue and figured if they slipped the clutch (better to slip the clutch then to blow a differential) at 5500 rpms and launched the car a lot harder, then the 0 - 60 time went from 5.4 to 4.8 and the 1/4 mile dropped from 14.3 or so (I say 'so' because I can't remember exactly) to 13.8. That is a full .5 second gained just by learning how to launch an AWD car.

I also raced twice from a dead stop to 80 mph or so an 99 Eclipse GSX with my 02 TL-S. He instantly gained 1 length on me out of the hole and another .5 car length through 1st gear. From about 45 to 80 though I kept it even at 1.5 car lengths behind him. He was stock and so is my 02 TL-S. AWD kicks ass especially from stoplight to stoplight. Even a bad driver can race as long as he slips the clutch and gives it full throttle when launching the car.

I have 13g turbos and various aother mods and I have beaten many a C5 Corvette by two three and even four lengths from roughly 0 - 60 (they give up after that eve though they can close the gap a 'little' with the broad torque of the pushrod V-8). With the mods I have and putting out roughly 500 HP at the crank, I am probably doing 0 - 60 in the 3.7 to 4.0 range and since my car is AWD I get nearly a perfect launch every time.

eggbert

You do know you bought a luxury Sedan? Hopefully you test drove it before you bought it and modded it?



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