ok i like many others envy that 6 spd gear box an that third pedal (no not that gay e brake we tlers have).. but every person i spoke to says that the cls 6 spd feels so much faster with 20 horses extra under the hood.... even i thought it felt a lil faster than the tls

BUT when u look at the numbers 0 to 60 and the qtr mile time.. there is not much of a difference...

tls is 6.5 for the 0 to 60 (approx average)
13.8 for the qtr mile (approx average)

for the cls 6 spd

0 to 60 is about 6.2 -6.4
qtr mile was 13.2- 13.5

these numbers i got off of cl.com posts.... and edmunds.com

i thought that the 6 spd "short throw" and the fact that less % of hp and tq is lost via the manny tranny
tls is rated at about 200-205 hp at the wheel
cls (im guessing) is probably 230-240 at the wheel

but how come it doesn't show up in the numbers?

 

A couple of factors, first the stock tires could be causing more loss of traction on the CLS that the TLS. Second it is true that more power gets to the wheels with a manual tranny but an auto does shift faster.

 

shouldn't those 1/4miles be in the 14's??

 

Yes they should. There is a lot of mis-information on this post... plus... 0-60 times are too tough to produce consistantly... so we'll ignore those.

I've only seen a select few TL-S/CL-S' run the quarter around the 14.6 mark in stock form... the rest are high 14's, low 15's.

The stock CL-S 6 speed runs the 1/4 mile mid to low 14's stock.

Stock auto CL-S and TL-S dyno around 200hp to the wheels.

Stock 6 speed CL-S dynos around 220 to the wheel.

20hp difference = about .3 - .5 difference on the 1/4 mile, which is about right.

 

20 horses only translates to .3 and .5 on the qtr mile?? for 20 horses at the wheel id like to think you get more than .3 seconds..

but the 0 to 60 thing is a big factor for me... thats one of my main points when buying a car... there isn't even that big difference as .4 on the 0 to 60...
carand driver (b4 that crappy recent article) motortrend, autoweek, edmunds say on average the tls is about mid 6's for da 0 to 60... shouldn't the cls be in around low 6's high 5's?

 

Acura advertised the TL-S at 6.28 seconds 0-60 about a year ago. I believe the CL-S was in the same range. This goes back to what I was talking about above.. and that's the inconsistancy with 0-60 testing. There can be 5 different tests run with 5 different results and time ranges of up to almost 1/2 a second.... there's no way to really accurately measure 0-60.

And yes... believe it or not... 20hp only translates to about .3-.5 on a quarter mile... and that's probably high. Here's an example... one guy on the CL board got headers. That's the only mod he added. Stock he was running a 14.8@94mph. After the headers his best was a 14.39@99.37mph. That's an increase of just over 4 tenths, and that's in cooler conditions then his stock run, which normally produces even better times. Keep in mind that the headers have been dyoned at around 35hp to the wheel. So in reality.. my estimates were kind of high. Even if it's 30hp to the wheel you get the idea. 20 HP may be closer to only .2-.3 seconds better..... You need to add A LOT of HP to make a big difference in the 1/4 mile. A lot.

 

damn for about 1300 bucks installed for headers .4 seconds in the qtr mile and no significant improvement in the 0 to 60 makes it kinda not worth it..

oh well u can at least say that ur tl has over 300 horses at the crank...

for 1300 bucks that might be worth it

 

Well, then you can just buy the OBX headers for under $400 and it suddenly becomes worth it

 

yeah we're talking about headers here, not a turbo. headers / intake / exhaust really won't make a huge difference in the numbers.

adding 40hp (approximately) to a tl does not put us in m3 territory

but then again, .5 seconds in the quarter is a damn good improvement.

 

thought alot bout obx headers... im one of those guys who trust comptech's rep and their products... big factor for me is acura's relationship with comptech and their willingness to warranty comptech parts if they install them...
reputation and name play a big part if ur talkin about my baby...
for her im willing to pay the extra $800 for the name

 

Gents,

.5 improvement in a quarter mile is a huge improvement. Put it this way the difference between finishing with a 14.8 vs a 14.4 is this, the 14.4 car finished about 35ft ahead of the 14.8 car. I would be very surprised if 20hp made a .3-.5 1/4 mile difference.

Check out car-stats.com they have an auto TLS(2002) at 14.8 (0-60=6.2) vs a manual CLS(2003) at 14.6(0-60=5.9). These figures point to the CLS having a .3 advantage 0-60, but the TLS a .1 advantage for the remainder of the 1/4 mile. IMO the reason, the CLS has an extra gear and it is lower than the TLS 1st gear, then the quicker shifting of the auto catches the manual. Is the CLS lighter than the TLS, I would think so but am not sure, that would also explain the quicker 0-60 time.

 

If you need a fast 0-60 car go buy WRX or WRX Sti or new EVO lancer...

 

or a ferrari enzo or mclaren f1

 

exactly, the tl is a nice car and it is fast, but a street hot rod it aint.