So I think my tranny is finally on its way out
10-25-2007, 05:08 PM
#1
So I think my tranny is finally on its way out
Well, like it says, I think my tranny is finally giving up on me. It started slipping and shifting real harsh today. When I have it in regular D4 (it's a 99), when it's time for the usual shift, it kind of hesitates for a second while the RPMs climb a little and then all of a sudden jams itself into the next gear with a hard thud.
I stopped at a friend's house and on my way back home, it was doing the same thing and the CEL and TCS lights went on solid. I came to a stop sign and shut the car off and turned it back on (which usually gets rid of the lights when they randomly appear for me) and the TCS light was out but the CEL was still on.
I took it to Autozone and they hooked up the machine and got this code --
P0740 -- TCC Circuit Malfunction
We went inside and he plugged the machine in and it gave 3 possible reasons:
1. open or short circuit connection
2. poor electrical connection
3. failed TCC system
He said he thought TCC meant transmission control computer or something like that
What does everyone make of this code and the symptoms I gave?
I stopped at a friend's house and on my way back home, it was doing the same thing and the CEL and TCS lights went on solid. I came to a stop sign and shut the car off and turned it back on (which usually gets rid of the lights when they randomly appear for me) and the TCS light was out but the CEL was still on.
I took it to Autozone and they hooked up the machine and got this code --
P0740 -- TCC Circuit Malfunction
We went inside and he plugged the machine in and it gave 3 possible reasons:
1. open or short circuit connection
2. poor electrical connection
3. failed TCC system
He said he thought TCC meant transmission control computer or something like that
What does everyone make of this code and the symptoms I gave?
10-25-2007, 05:40 PM
#5
man my TCS light goes on randomly too and it stayes on solid untill I turn the car off.Then turn it on again and it would be off and after a while it would come on again. are you sure its tranny man, cuz I would be FUCKING pissed if it was. I have to take it to acura for them to check it but thats gonna cost me lots I am guessing. if it is the transmission then fuck it, bye bye TL.
10-25-2007, 06:09 PM
#6
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KSuchdeve
Odds are its your trans. time to start looking for a replacement.
Do some searching. The TCS light coming on doesnt always mean its your trans. Go to a auto parts store and have the codes read for free. Come back and let us know what they say.
Odds are its your trans. time to start looking for a replacement.
Originally Posted by myron
man my TCS light goes on randomly too and it stayes on solid untill I turn the car off.Then turn it on again and it would be off and after a while it would come on again. are you sure its tranny man, cuz I would be FUCKING pissed if it was. I have to take it to acura for them to check it but thats gonna cost me lots I am guessing. if it is the transmission then fuck it, bye bye TL.
10-25-2007, 06:56 PM
#7
I'm going to start looking around for parts for the 6 spd swap. I kind of want to keep the motor I have and just bolt up the CL-S trans to my TL-P motor. But, then I would have to get that module made to trick the ECU.
What is the bare minimum I can do to get the car running with the 6 spd and my ECU?
If I just bolt up the trans and put the clutch pedal and smaller brake pedal and do everything with the center console and shifter will that be enough for the car to run? I know the speedo would be off and stuff since it's not the same wiring but would the car run?
What is the bare minimum I can do to get the car running with the 6 spd and my ECU?
If I just bolt up the trans and put the clutch pedal and smaller brake pedal and do everything with the center console and shifter will that be enough for the car to run? I know the speedo would be off and stuff since it's not the same wiring but would the car run?
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10-25-2007, 07:10 PM
#9
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No. You have to trick the ECu into thinking that its a auto. You will have to also be very careful because you wont have a reverse lockout that works. its a easy way to blow up a trans/motor without it. (reverse is next to 6th) Search the av6 forums. there are many accords that have done the swap like that. im sure by now there is info on what needs to be done.
10-25-2007, 07:25 PM
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You dont want to do a swap for a manual tranny. Ive done it and its hard and im a honda master tech. theres all kinds of hoses and wires and hydralics, cluthches and flywheels, drilling and interior work, not to mention different axles, CV boots and hubs. I dont think you know what ur getting yourself into. And short of de-soldering the computer, ur not gonna be able to "trick" it into thinking you still got an auto. maybe if it was an older civic or somthin you could do it without too many problems but you have a 99 acura. Ive never done a swap on a TL, mine was on a 02 accord V6. and all this is pointless and ive ranted for nothing if your just going to pay sombody to do it. and its going to be wayyyy more money than if your just gonna put another auto in it.
good luck
good luck
10-25-2007, 07:49 PM
#11
TSXACE: I don't think it's as hard as you say. People have done it b4 on the TLs and Accords... someone makes a module for the auto to stick conversion already and has successfully worked.... probably the biggest task is gathering all the parts...
well anyways i have the same problem with the TCS and CEL... post the answer when you find it... haven't had the code read just yet.... i had a CEL 0420 for the longest time... cleaned EGR awhile back and clr'd the cel and took it to get smogged... passed and soon after the cel came right back on... just changed my O2 yesterday.... so don't know if the same code is coming back or if it's a new one...
well anyways i have the same problem with the TCS and CEL... post the answer when you find it... haven't had the code read just yet.... i had a CEL 0420 for the longest time... cleaned EGR awhile back and clr'd the cel and took it to get smogged... passed and soon after the cel came right back on... just changed my O2 yesterday.... so don't know if the same code is coming back or if it's a new one...
10-25-2007, 08:14 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by TSXACE
You dont want to do a swap for a manual tranny. Ive done it and its hard and im a honda master tech. theres all kinds of hoses and wires and hydralics, cluthches and flywheels, drilling and interior work, not to mention different axles, CV boots and hubs. I dont think you know what ur getting yourself into. And short of de-soldering the computer, ur not gonna be able to "trick" it into thinking you still got an auto. maybe if it was an older civic or somthin you could do it without too many problems but you have a 99 acura. Ive never done a swap on a TL, mine was on a 02 accord V6. and all this is pointless and ive ranted for nothing if your just going to pay sombody to do it. and its going to be wayyyy more money than if your just gonna put another auto in it.
good luck
good luck
10-25-2007, 08:25 PM
#13
Originally Posted by dro_15
TSXACE: I don't think it's as hard as you say. People have done it b4 on the TLs and Accords... someone makes a module for the auto to stick conversion already and has successfully worked.... probably the biggest task is gathering all the parts...
well anyways i have the same problem with the TCS and CEL... post the answer when you find it... haven't had the code read just yet.... i had a CEL 0420 for the longest time... cleaned EGR awhile back and clr'd the cel and took it to get smogged... passed and soon after the cel came right back on... just changed my O2 yesterday.... so don't know if the same code is coming back or if it's a new one...
well anyways i have the same problem with the TCS and CEL... post the answer when you find it... haven't had the code read just yet.... i had a CEL 0420 for the longest time... cleaned EGR awhile back and clr'd the cel and took it to get smogged... passed and soon after the cel came right back on... just changed my O2 yesterday.... so don't know if the same code is coming back or if it's a new one...
I'm just trying to find the best way to go about doing this. I'm definitely going manual, but am just wondering if I should just get the CL-S tranny and module made for my ECU or get the CL-S motor, tranny and ECU. Obviously the full CL-S motor swap will be a lot more, but what kind of difference are we talking?
10-25-2007, 08:29 PM
#14
Does the maual have the same crankshaft as the auto??
- back in the day on non acura's, that was the differance-
you had to get a whole motor and trans together then fit it in
- back in the day on non acura's, that was the differance-
you had to get a whole motor and trans together then fit it in
10-25-2007, 08:30 PM
#15
Or spend $1500 getting the old reliable 4 speed auto to go another 100k for you
10-25-2007, 10:02 PM
#17
Good Lucky Man...
I also try get All part from CL-S 6speed 4 month ago when my tranny when out. With no lucky getting all part together. I ended up getting another 4speed Auto with 3year/ 36K for warranty. I had my TL down for about 3month with no lucky on getting all parts I needed to do the swap.(mainly wiring)
I also try get All part from CL-S 6speed 4 month ago when my tranny when out. With no lucky getting all part together. I ended up getting another 4speed Auto with 3year/ 36K for warranty. I had my TL down for about 3month with no lucky on getting all parts I needed to do the swap.(mainly wiring)
10-25-2007, 10:27 PM
#18
What, just the wiring harnesses for under the hood?
(
Got the pics from Kris' thread)
You can buy that brand new from Acura
And I believe you can get the wiring harness for under the dash to the tach brand new too.
It will get expensive, but you can find all the parts you need.
(
Got the pics from Kris' thread)You can buy that brand new from Acura
And I believe you can get the wiring harness for under the dash to the tach brand new too.
It will get expensive, but you can find all the parts you need.
10-25-2007, 11:13 PM
#19
In the mean time while I'm gathering parts and setting everything up, what does everyone think I should drive? My brother is in the Marines and I can either use his green 98 Prelude or my dad's gold 2000 Accord Special Edition and he'll drive the Prelude.
10-25-2007, 11:18 PM
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I'm trying to piece together all the parts right now as well.
Looks like a grip of us 2nd gen owners are doing the 6 speed swap.
I'm following Kris' thread everyday for the past two weeks. Just trying to figure out where to start.
I mean If I get the CL-S motor with the 6 speed tranny already, what else would I need to complete the whole swap?
Let me know if I'm missing something.
I would need New engine Harnesses, Center console, cup holders, pedal assembly, shift boot, shift knob, shifter, shifter cables, E-brake, tranny mounts, engine dampers, and engine mounts. Correct?
Looks like a grip of us 2nd gen owners are doing the 6 speed swap.
I'm following Kris' thread everyday for the past two weeks. Just trying to figure out where to start.
I mean If I get the CL-S motor with the 6 speed tranny already, what else would I need to complete the whole swap?
Let me know if I'm missing something.
I would need New engine Harnesses, Center console, cup holders, pedal assembly, shift boot, shift knob, shifter, shifter cables, E-brake, tranny mounts, engine dampers, and engine mounts. Correct?
10-25-2007, 11:49 PM
#21
Yea I'm just gonna start getting everything from that list he has at the bottom. I went to the local junkyard a few weeks ago (I'm always looking out for a 02-03 for the tails or a 99-01 for the lip kit) and didn't see a CL. I'm going to go by there and tell her to keep an eye out for one for me and also see if she can call some other junk yards and get me a nice rear end totaled one to grab parts off of. Also gotta find out who's gonna help me with it.
10-26-2007, 12:04 PM
#23
'Preciate that. I'm also going to be talking to some other people in town and see what I am going to do about the actual swap.. where/how? I have a pretty nice size garage at my mom's house, but it is full of boxes and stuff and doesn't even have room for one car right now, let alone room to work on it. I might try and talk to one of the admins on Tallahassee Muscle Car Association who owns a shop and see what he says he can do.
It was slipping real bad just then when I was driving it. I guess I'm just going to cancel the insurance on it and let it sit for a few months while I get everything together.
It was slipping real bad just then when I was driving it. I guess I'm just going to cancel the insurance on it and let it sit for a few months while I get everything together.
10-26-2007, 04:10 PM
#24
Well, I just dropped the TL off at my dad's; barely made it over there.
I called the dealership and they confirmed that the code was transmission related and they called me back with a quote for a new one. $288X.XX for a new one with a 3 yr/36 month warranty. 6 speed swap it is.
I called the dealership and they confirmed that the code was transmission related and they called me back with a quote for a new one. $288X.XX for a new one with a 3 yr/36 month warranty. 6 speed swap it is.
10-26-2007, 04:44 PM
#25
Originally Posted by KSuchdeve
Well, I just dropped the TL off at my dad's; barely made it over there.
I called the dealership and they confirmed that the code was transmission related and they called me back with a quote for a new one. $288X.XX for a new one with a 3 yr/36 month warranty. 6 speed swap it is.
I called the dealership and they confirmed that the code was transmission related and they called me back with a quote for a new one. $288X.XX for a new one with a 3 yr/36 month warranty. 6 speed swap it is.
And best of luck with the 6-speed conversion. Take a pile of photos and keep track of the part costs and the time involved. These conversion stories are always fun to read.
10-26-2007, 05:00 PM
#27
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Damn. Just need to get an exact list of everything that will be involved but the CLS-6 complete engine with 6 speed transmission. Found one online for about $3500. Might just hop on it while it's available.
Kris, how does this sound?
I'll pay for your flight ticket roundtrip and for your labor to come over to my coast and help me with my 6 speed swap. LOL. oh and free dining, free stay at any hotel you like. AHA
Looks like this will be a time consuming process. TIME TO GET STARTED!!!
Kris, how does this sound?
I'll pay for your flight ticket roundtrip and for your labor to come over to my coast and help me with my 6 speed swap. LOL. oh and free dining, free stay at any hotel you like. AHA
Looks like this will be a time consuming process. TIME TO GET STARTED!!!
10-26-2007, 05:14 PM
#28
Originally Posted by InspireTL
Damn. Just need to get an exact list of everything that will be involved but the CLS-6 complete engine with 6 speed transmission. Found one online for about $3500. Might just hop on it while it's available.
Kris, how does this sound?
I'll pay for your flight ticket roundtrip and for your labor to come over to my coast and help me with my 6 speed swap. LOL. oh and free dining, free stay at any hotel you like. AHA
Looks like this will be a time consuming process. TIME TO GET STARTED!!!
Kris, how does this sound?
I'll pay for your flight ticket roundtrip and for your labor to come over to my coast and help me with my 6 speed swap. LOL. oh and free dining, free stay at any hotel you like. AHA
Looks like this will be a time consuming process. TIME TO GET STARTED!!!
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This is a search engine for hundreds of salvage yards across the US.
Bob
10-26-2007, 06:12 PM
#30
Here is the parts list from Kris' thread.
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Well I finally threw together a parts list. There were some misc bolts used, but i got abunch of them from the local hardware store grade 8s)
Engine. J32A2 If needing a new engine look for a CLs-6 motor (if not see below *)
03 CLs-6 speed manual.
03 CLs-6 Manual Engine Harness. 32110-PGE-A11
03 CLs 6 speed ECU
03 CLs-6 Flywheel 22105-PGE-305
03 CLs-6 Flywheel bolts (Qty 8) 90011-PGE-000
03 CLs-6 Clutch Assembly 22105-PGE-305 (unfortunately right now there arent many options for aftermarket clutches)
03 CLs-6 Rear Engine mount and bracket 50810-S3M-A01, 50827-S3M-A00, BOLT (m12X25) 90166-S3M-A00
03 CLs-6 Rearand Front Engine Dampenerand bracket (i would reccomend aftermarket here)
03 CLs-6 Shifter and cables. 54100-S3M-A01, 54310-S3M-A01
03 CLs-6 Starter 31200-PGE-A11 (try to locate used, its expensive)
03 CLs-6 Gauges
03 CLs-6 Hydraulic Clutch lines. 46960-S3M-A01, & 46970-S3M-A01
03 CLs-6 Trans mounts (2 of them) 50806-S3M-A03, 50805-S3M-A03
03 CLs-6 Cup Holder 77230-S3M-A01ZA
03 CLs-6 Parking brake 47105-S3M-A04ZA and to go with it,
Spring 47537-671-670, Nut 47522-594-000, Equalizer pin 47365-538-000, Equalizer 47360-SB2-000
*If you use the J32A2 from the Auto you will need these parts (all from the CLs-6)
Front cam pulley 14260-PGE-A11
Front plate assembly (behind cam pulley) 11860-PGE-A10
Timing belt pulley(lower) 13621-PGE-A11
Crank shaft sensor 37500-PGE-A11 (this little shit costs $500.00)
Subharness for CKP 37501-PGE-A10
TDC Sensors (Qty 2) 37840-PGE-A11
TDC SUB HARNESS 37841-PGE-A10
If you dont already have the Type-s you will want the IMRC 37850-PGE-A01
Brake/Gas pedal assembly from either the accord or CLs-6. (i modified mine)
If you decide to buy it new BRAKE PEDAL ASSY 46600-S3M-A51
Clutch pedal. (this can be from a few cars, i took mine from a 90s civic. it was almost a direct bolt in.
It uses 3 points to bolt in only 2 lined up. I modified a bolt and shim to make it bolt up in the 3rd spot)
If you decide to buy it new you will need the pedal and mount CLUTCH PEDAL 46910-S3M-A01 & CLUTCH PEDAL BRACKET 46990-S84-A01
MASTER CYLINDER ASSY 46922-S3M-A01 & Clutch Fluid Tank 46965-S5A-013, & Clutch Hose 46961-S3M-A02
(i used the one from the civic i pulled the clutch pedal out of)
Things im not sure if you will need but i bought.
Relay box assembly (under hood) 38250-S3M-A21
Shift Boot 83414-S3M-A01ZA
Shift Knob 54102-SL0-023ZB
If you have a header you will either have to have the XS header or COmptech header for the manual. Other wise it wont fit
You will be able to reuse the stock manifolds
If you already ahve a Type-s you MAY Not need these????
Right side cabin to engine comp harness 32100-S3M-A12
Left side cabin to engine comp harness 32120-S3M-A20
I Would attempt with out (that i bought and used with out trying without first) It will make not having to do all the rewiring of
that i did.
Upper instrument harness 32117-S3M-A31
Lower dash harness 32150-S3M-A32
Engine. J32A2 If needing a new engine look for a CLs-6 motor (if not see below *)
03 CLs-6 speed manual.
03 CLs-6 Manual Engine Harness. 32110-PGE-A11
03 CLs 6 speed ECU
03 CLs-6 Flywheel 22105-PGE-305
03 CLs-6 Flywheel bolts (Qty 8) 90011-PGE-000
03 CLs-6 Clutch Assembly 22105-PGE-305 (unfortunately right now there arent many options for aftermarket clutches)
03 CLs-6 Rear Engine mount and bracket 50810-S3M-A01, 50827-S3M-A00, BOLT (m12X25) 90166-S3M-A00
03 CLs-6 Rearand Front Engine Dampenerand bracket (i would reccomend aftermarket here)
03 CLs-6 Shifter and cables. 54100-S3M-A01, 54310-S3M-A01
03 CLs-6 Starter 31200-PGE-A11 (try to locate used, its expensive)
03 CLs-6 Gauges
03 CLs-6 Hydraulic Clutch lines. 46960-S3M-A01, & 46970-S3M-A01
03 CLs-6 Trans mounts (2 of them) 50806-S3M-A03, 50805-S3M-A03
03 CLs-6 Cup Holder 77230-S3M-A01ZA
03 CLs-6 Parking brake 47105-S3M-A04ZA and to go with it,
Spring 47537-671-670, Nut 47522-594-000, Equalizer pin 47365-538-000, Equalizer 47360-SB2-000
*If you use the J32A2 from the Auto you will need these parts (all from the CLs-6)
Front cam pulley 14260-PGE-A11
Front plate assembly (behind cam pulley) 11860-PGE-A10
Timing belt pulley(lower) 13621-PGE-A11
Crank shaft sensor 37500-PGE-A11 (this little shit costs $500.00)
Subharness for CKP 37501-PGE-A10
TDC Sensors (Qty 2) 37840-PGE-A11
TDC SUB HARNESS 37841-PGE-A10
If you dont already have the Type-s you will want the IMRC 37850-PGE-A01
Brake/Gas pedal assembly from either the accord or CLs-6. (i modified mine)
If you decide to buy it new BRAKE PEDAL ASSY 46600-S3M-A51
Clutch pedal. (this can be from a few cars, i took mine from a 90s civic. it was almost a direct bolt in.
It uses 3 points to bolt in only 2 lined up. I modified a bolt and shim to make it bolt up in the 3rd spot)
If you decide to buy it new you will need the pedal and mount CLUTCH PEDAL 46910-S3M-A01 & CLUTCH PEDAL BRACKET 46990-S84-A01
MASTER CYLINDER ASSY 46922-S3M-A01 & Clutch Fluid Tank 46965-S5A-013, & Clutch Hose 46961-S3M-A02
(i used the one from the civic i pulled the clutch pedal out of)
Things im not sure if you will need but i bought.
Relay box assembly (under hood) 38250-S3M-A21
Shift Boot 83414-S3M-A01ZA
Shift Knob 54102-SL0-023ZB
If you have a header you will either have to have the XS header or COmptech header for the manual. Other wise it wont fit
You will be able to reuse the stock manifolds
If you already ahve a Type-s you MAY Not need these????
Right side cabin to engine comp harness 32100-S3M-A12
Left side cabin to engine comp harness 32120-S3M-A20
I Would attempt with out (that i bought and used with out trying without first) It will make not having to do all the rewiring of
that i did.
Upper instrument harness 32117-S3M-A31
Lower dash harness 32150-S3M-A32
10-28-2007, 12:32 AM
#33
Originally Posted by dro_15
yup... i'm in the same boat with you... CEL p0740.... well i'll run it til it dies i guess and we'll see from there....
Originally Posted by SodaLuvr
I can get a remanufactured transmission for the '99 TL for $1500 shipped. Why not just go that route?
10-28-2007, 12:54 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by KSuchdeve
But, then you run into the problem of the tranny crapping out on you again. If I were to go automatic, I'd rather get the brand new one from the dealer with a 3 yr warranty on it, but I don't think I would do that. Just doesn't make sense to spend all that money on fixing it to not really fix it. If I end up doing the swap, hopefully I'll get a low mileage CL-S engine and the car will last me at least another 10 years.
10-28-2007, 12:10 PM
#35
Originally Posted by SodaLuvr
I can get a remanufactured transmission for the '99 TL for $1500 shipped. Why not just go that route?
10-28-2007, 02:20 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by dro_15
keeping my options open... where would this tranny be coming from and what kind of warranty would it have
10-28-2007, 03:03 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by dro_15
where in cali... is this a basic rebuild or do they install a beffier torque converter too...
http://www.phoenixhardparts.com/inde...ROD&ProdID=237
They just install a master overhaul kit, a remanufactured torque converter, and all applicable updates.
I'll just say that you may be better off having it rebuilt locally. Many 4-speed rebuilds run just over $2k and is equivalent to buying one from Phoenix and paying a mechanic to install the unit.
01-26-2008, 12:04 AM
#40
Originally Posted by n1njai
IMO I would just go with the CL-S build like Kris did with his tl.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172618
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