I am thinking about taking out the resonator and adding the comptech hi-flow filter(poor man's intake). Anyhow, is it worth to do this w/o spending over $200 bucks? Is this setup exactly like getting a intake? BTW, my appt is next wednesday. Thanks!

CBS

 

you know what!!!! I'm not helping you anymore. Do whatever you want.

 

NO!

 

If I were you, I'd rather fork out $125-$150 and get a short-ram. IMO, I don't think the Comptech drop-in filter is worth it. You probably won't feel any difference at all.

 

Why not !!!!!. tell me one reason why is not like the CAI or in my opinion better. Is not because is a (poor man's intake) is because I think is the best. It just happens to be cheap and the whole world seems to be against it.

Why is not worth it? do you have it on your car? Just because you pay more for it does NOT mean is better.

 

My opinion is get the (poor man one),If you have a Civic or integra i will tell you get the CAI,I believe both of them can improve a little hp,but not that much,so why waste money to get the CAI,unless you think noise is important to you.

 

i think it worth it, i did mine, it's not that i don't have the money to buy the CAI, but i'm worry that if i got the CAI in the rain season it can suck up water, and for the short ram i use to have in my accord and it's did do nothing much but make sound. this is just my own opinion, if you don't like what i'm typing to baddd

 

Why not? did I miss something?

 

Well, first, the Comptech filter does not have the velocity stack. It does not flow as well. Second, the inside of the stock air pipe is not as smooth as the aftermarket intake. Third, it has less area for air to pass through, thus, less air for your engine to breath. Fourth, I used to have that setup in my old Integra. Once I changed it to an intake, I wondered why I bought the K&N replacement filter in the 1st place. So take that

 

If you are talking to me, then I dont give a rats ass. do you think I am only going to take your opinion and nobody elses? Grow the fvck up.........

 

Bitium,

For real man, chill out!!!! Just because I am asking for other opinions doesn't mean that you have the right to say, " I am not helping you..blah..blah..blah". If thats how you feel, then cool, i don't care.

So, lets stop the madness before its gets ugly.....

 

Scary....

 

Is not that. It would have been fine if you had taken a different approach. Not like this "I dont give a rats ass" and " who cares"

You know I spend a lot of time helping you, and I felt like it when right through your ears, that's all. No harm meant.

 

Oh please. You shouldn't comapre the TL setup with the integra setup because they are different. Velocity stack do you have any prove of that. I can't disagree on the smothness, but is not like the stock pipe has rocks inside and also in the CAI the air has to travel throught more piping after then filter than the airbox. Third you are comparing the K&N drop in filter with your intake an not the comptech high flow filter.

 

When I was comparing my Integra, I was comparing my Integra with the K&N with the stock resonator removed and an aftermarket intake...again, in my Integra. Prove for the velocity stack???? Every aftermarket intake manufacturer use it in their filter design. If it doesn't work, why would they all use them in their intake filter design? Have you looked inside the stock tube? It is not smooth at all, it has alot of imperfections in it. Just to let you know, the K&N replacement filter and the Comptech filter is the same concept with just different material used. Get real and accept the fact that the aftermarket intake is better than your setup.

 

First is not my setup. I don't know about your(an) integra and I really can't say much about it, since I don't own one nor I have play with K&N drop in filter. Of course I have looked inside the tube....there is really nothing to obstruct air. I'm not against the CAI nor SRI. In this particular car(TL) the air box has a very good design at it works very well when you remove the resornator and add a highflow filter. In overall I personally think this setup is the best for our cars, but not for every car. Satisfied "AcuraTL"

Read this thread and why I like this setup better:

http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...ghlight=intake

Also some info on filter elements:

http://www.weapon-r.com/filterfact.html

 

So your point is that by putting in the Comptech filter with the resonator removed, it is better than the Cold Air Intake/Short Ram Intake? I don't think so. The fact is that Comptech's filter just don't have the overall size, as well as the velocity stack to increase airflow over the aftermarket, conical filters. You also have to know that with in drop-in filter replacement, when air enters into the stock airbox, it will hit the top of the airbox, thus, disturbing the airflow. Also, as I had stated before, the inside of the stock airtube is not smooth. People with intakes on their TLs have consistently getting 8 to 10 hp gain to the wheels. Have you done a dyno run on the setup that you had suggested? That's what I thought.

 

Well it doesn't really matter if I have a dyno, because I no longer have the SRI or CAI to compared. 8-10hp is what peope say, do you really have a dyno of the CAI by itself on a TL or a type S. Also I'm not only talking about performance, but overall, since like I said on the link I don't have dyno's. Another thing is price, if we compare price to performance ratio, you can't tell me the CAI is better.

In my opinion(up to date) this is the best intake; is from waepon R:

 

I personally do not have a dyno run on my own TL. But if you were here long enough, you would know that Jedi did a dyno run by Comptech with the AEM intake and got 10 hp to the wheels. Also, you are misleading people here. The Weapon-R is in no way close to what you are talking about. Weapon-R has the high-flow conical intake with velocity stack and the intake pipe diameter is increased to 3 inch and the inside of the pipe is smooth, not like the stock pipe.

The original question by CBS is that he asked if the setup you had suggested is the same as an intake, and the answer, IMO, is no. CBS can just spend $125-$150 on a short ram, rather than $35 on the Comptech filter and I bet he can tell a bigger different from the intake rather than the drop-in replacement filter.

 

Well Well, I no longer believe on comptech dynos. The headers hit 32hp at the wheels, but the most I seen on a dyno is half. So in your opinion is no the same as an intake, well in my opinion is better. Why are you now comparing it with the short ram? You speak like you had this setup on your TL, when in fact you haven't. I had the short ram, so I'm not basing my opinion with intellectual guessing. As for the weapon r, I was saying that is better than all not defending my point at all. Also the short ram inducts hot air when the CAI and airbox does not.

This argument seems like is going to the record books well maybe not when compare to my SportShift argument

 

First, I think you should edit your post because I couldn't understand half of your post. Second, read my first post on this thread, I recommended CBS to get a short ram because that's what I've had on my TL for 3 years now. Comptech is not selling AEM's intake, so why do they have to lie about the dyno result? As for the short ram sucking in hot air. Yes, maybe at standstill at start up but when it is at speed, it makes no difference.

 

You should wonder now why argue with me on the 1st place

Take what??? :p....

 

Why recomend short ram when you could do better with this setup. I didn't say they lie, I just said that I personally don't believe on their dynos, plus where is the dyno anyways.

Have you touch the short ram after getting home from the highway......hot hot hot.

 

It doesn't mater if you have a short ram or a CAI, the intake pipe is inside the engine compartment so it will be hot either way. Even if you touch the stock plastic tube, it will still be hot because of the radiating heat from the engine. As for Jedi's dyno, you can email him for it. He posted it at Honda-Acura.net.

 

That's another point, the CAI and short ram pipe get's hot from the engine compartment when the stock plastic tube does not get as hot as the CAI or short ram. Making the the air going to the engine cooler.

 

Do you think the air will stay in the intake tube long enough to affect it? I think not.

 

Probalby not, but how do we know for sure. I know the short ram is the hottest tube when compare with CAI and Airbox.....idle or speeding or whenever. How does that affect the performance, I can't say, because I have no dynos or other measuring devices. there are also other factors like outside temp....etc.

One fact....here in south florida on a very sunny and humid day, I felt I had no power with the short ram on the highway, this is one of the things that make me look for other alternatives.

 

You sure you had an aftermarket intake? Because if you did, it did not matter if it was a CAI or short ram, when it is at speed (highway), that's when you feel the most performance gain.

 

No I was just playing around. I don't even own a car, even better I don't even have a license.

 

Then you shouldn't be giving your opinion to CBS then

 

I was been sarcastic :wow: OMG can't you tell?:p :p

 

Not really.

 

Dyno or Race between poor man one and CAI.

 

acuratl & bitium, why don't you two meet up some where and race, and get it over it, see who is better?

 

Hey Acura TL...this velocity stack you are talking about...is it that little plastic shroud that covers the sharp edge of the pipe? It's kinda like a lip that wraps around the metal edge so that air goes in smoother than one that doesnt have a lip right?

Reason why I ask is that my Injen filter got bent, and I was thinking about replacing it with a cheaper alternative like 3A Racing filter which in addition to similar dimentions, also has the center part of the filter open adding more filter element than AEM's or Injen's (more like Apexi type of design).

If you have time, could you look at the filter (I find these alot in Kragen) and tell me that it DOESNT have the velocity stack so I could pretty much be in the same page as you are when talking about the subject?

Oh...and for those that dont know what I'm talking about...the velocity stack basically prevents you from inserting the filter head further than it should go on the pipe.

My basic question is now this...

Does the AEM/Injen filter WITH a velocity stack and a closed off head still outperform a 3rd party filter WITHOUT a velocity stack, but has an open head type of design? Both type of filters are the same dimentions and use the K&N type of filter material.

 

I went to 3A Racing's website and this is what the filters look like. And I believe they are sold for $35 in my local Kragen store.

 

The velocity stack is inside the actual filter. Some manufacturers call it an air horn, like HKS. I do not believe the generic ones have it. I know AEM/Weapon-R/HKS/Greddy/Apex'i have it in their filter design.

 

I knew it. I looked at the 3A racing filter and found no signs of the "velocity stack". Here is what Injen defines what a "velocity stack" to be.

In 1999 Injen set out to develop the ultimate filter design. After extensively testing rubber and plastic compounds we came upon a urethane rubber that is able to withstand elevated temperatures with zero distortion. Urethane is a light weight material which will not fade and will hold its shape for the life of the filter. We pioneered the technique of incorporating the built-in velocity stack in the filter base.

But...that still doesnt change my initial question about having a center cone to help reduce turbulant airflow. So far the only filter I know of that has both the internal cone and velocity stack is the Apexi $75 filter.

If you look at this pic carefully, you'll see that the base has a lip to wrap around the metal edge of the pipe.

 

Get the Weapon-R filter, it is only like $45 or so. Plus, it has dual velocity stack....one at the base of the filter and one outside the filter.