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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 10:23 AM
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How to position snow tires?

My snow tires got put on. They're bridgestone blizzaks. Last year I had to replace a blown out tire in the front. So I have 1 like new tire, 1 half worn tire (was in the front last year),
2 slighty worn tires from the rear

How should they be positioned? The shop put them just as they had come off last year. Most worn is front driver and new one is passenger front. 2 slightly worn ones in the rear.

I'm thinking of swapping the most worn with the passenger rear but have been reading conflicting opinions on where the best tires should be...
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 10:55 AM
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best tires go ON FRONT
if the rear kicks loose in a corner from bad traction/tires = you are in a world of hurt
as the car trades ends in direction of travel

if the front washes out,,you can control that with throttle and steering

I dont recall which front is the primary `drive side`
you can turn off the traction control and do a burnout launch in a puddle of water
that will tell you!

maybe a guru has the answer?

put the BEST tire there, and next best on other side front

the more used tires go in back

did they balance the tires/rims for you before install?
I would not use a shop that didnt know best tires go in front!!

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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 01:48 PM
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i store my tires at a friends and had to swap tires while out of town. Only place open was a firestone. I made sure they balanced them. They were sloppy everywhere else I had to retorque all the lug nuts and tire pressure was off on all the tires.

hopefully someone recalls the primary drive side or would like to volunteer a burnout
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 04:31 PM
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Glad you check your torque, I dislike 200ftlbs on my tires, and just the other day I bought a digital tire pressure gauge with fill, from Bluepoint. No incorrect pressures now. They say digital is the best way.

And the controversy begins.. I don't mean to start a riot but
I got burned at school, I've ALWAYS put best tires in front, now my shop as well as the corporation I work for, and Michelin says leave the best tires in the back.
I think this video is best used for states or countries where rain or snow is an issue. But in socal? I'm putting my good tires in the front where they wear faster.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 04:31 PM
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 01:29 AM
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=52

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However due to a front-wheel drive vehicle’s front tires' responsibility for transmitting acceleration, steering and most of the braking forces, it's normal for them to wear faster than rear tires. Therefore if the tires aren't rotated on a regular basis, tires will typically wear out in pairs rather than in sets. And if the tires aren't rotated at all, it's likely that the rear tires will still have about 1/2 of their original tread depth remaining when the front tires are completely worn out.

Intuition suggests that since the front tires wore out first and because there is still about half of the tread remaining on the rear tires, the new tires should be installed on the front axle. This will provide more wet and wintry traction; and by the time the front tires have worn out for the second time, the rear tires will be worn out, too. However in this case, intuition isn't right...and following it can be downright dangerous.

When tires are replaced in pairs in situations like these, the new tires should always be installed on the rear axle and the partially worn tires moved to the front. New tires on the rear axle help the driver more easily maintain control on wet roads since deeper treaded tires are better at resisting hydroplaning.

Hydroplaning occurs when the tire cannot process enough water through its tread design to maintain effective contact with the road. In moderate to heavy rain, water can pool up in road ruts, depressions and pockets adjacent to pavement expansion joints. At higher speeds, the standing water often found in these pools challenges a tire's ability to resist hydroplaning.

Exactly when hydroplaning occurs is the result of a combination of elements including water depth, vehicle weight and speed, as well as tire size, air pressure, tread design and tread depth. A lightweight vehicle with wide, worn, underinflated tires in a heavy downpour will hydroplane at lower speeds than a heavyweight vehicle equipped with new, narrow, properly inflated tires in drizzling rain.

If the front tires have significantly less tread depth than the rear tires, the front tires will begin to hydroplane and lose traction on wet roads before the rear tires. While this will cause the vehicle to understeer (the vehicle wants to continue driving straight ahead), understeer is relatively easy to control because releasing the gas pedal will slow the vehicle and help the driver maintain control.

However, if the front tires have significantly more tread depth than the rear tires, the rear tires will begin to hydroplane and lose traction on wet roads before the fronts. This will cause the vehicle to oversteer (the vehicle will want to spin). Oversteer is far more difficult to control and in addition to the initial distress felt when the rear of the car starts sliding, quickly releasing the gas pedal in an attempt to slow down may actually make it more difficult for the driver to regain control, possibly causing a complete spinout.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 08:09 AM
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I suppose putting them at the rear is the safest for hydroplaning situations but doesn't less grip in the front = more time to stop and more spinouts when driving through snow.
The single half worn tire on the front will wear out first and eventually a single tire will have to be replaced.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 08:20 AM
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supposed to be best in the rear to help keep the rear from spinning out which most have a problem controlling. Personally i have the ones with the least amount of tread on the rear as i value the forward and braking traction, and can handle the rear coming around "IF" it were to happen, but i havnet had it be an issue. Even with no ABS on my car.

Personally i would bite the bullet and buy 1 more new tire and have 2 new full tread ones on a specific axle.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 04:30 PM
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^I agree; plus you won't have different tire diameters to cause a pull to one side, and/or create more stress on the differential.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 06:01 PM
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DOH! my lysdexia is showing ,,or old age
had my theory correct,, but brain make fingers type opposite info!

Put the best tires on the REAR for all the rear end traction reasons listed by others = For the `Average driver`

If you have track day training/competition license/high performance driver training/skid school etc. then you may prefer the best tires in front,
for the braking/turning traction as fsttyms noted above
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 07:42 PM
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Go with what the guys are saying and never replace tires one at a time. Do them in pairs or the best, throw four tires, keep the good used ones as emergency backups.
Do your rotations too.
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