As 2G TLs start to get older more ball joints will probably start to need replacement. This is especially the case in regions where roads are terrible such as the NJ/NY area. Mine was making a knocking noise and had quite a bit of play in it which caused the steering wheel to shake on the highway. I know there is a DIY written for the 1st Gen by KaM but I thought it would be useful to have one for the 2G as well since I took pics. Also, thanks Kris (fsttyms1) for useful tips and trips.


Tools Required:

New Upper Control Arm (Left) - 51460-S84-A01
Floor Jack
Jack Stands
10MM Socket
12MM Socket
14MM Socket
17MM Socket
19MM Socket
Ratchet
Torque Wrench
Ball Joint Separator (Sears KDS3916)
Needle Nose Pliers

Here’s a view of the ball joint in question without the wheel removed.


First, remove the wheel and remove the damper fork by removing the upper 14MM bolt.


Remove the lower 17MM nut and bolt. It’s easiest to do if you just use a second ratchet and 17MM socket so there is one on each the nut and bolt (see the next few pics). If you don’t have an extra ratchet you can use a box wrench. The bolts are kind of rusty so a cheater far helps.





Remove the 5 nuts under the hood on top of the strut tower. DO NOT remove the middle nut! For some reason the 5 nuts aren’t all the same size, 2 are 10MM and the other 3 are 12MM. I guess two are different because they attach the strut bar.


Remove the wheel sensor bracket from the control arm (10MM).


Remove the cotter pin and castle nut.


I didn’t pull the damper out yet because it was difficult to maneuver out with the control arm still attached to the knuckle. I used this ball separator as it was only $20 from Sears compared to the Honda one which is around $170. Seemed to work well, it only took a few turns with a ratchet to break it loose from the knuckle. It would have taken forever to separate the joint without it as it was on their very tight. I used a floor jack to support the steering knuckle so it does not fall to the floor; you can also tie it up instead.




With the joint separated the damper came right out. This will give additional clearance when removing the control arm from the body. Remove the two bolts holding the control arm to the body and remove the arm.



Install the new control arm and tighten the bolts to 47 ft/lbs.


Install the castle nut and toque to 29 ft/lb. Then tighten it some more until the hole aligns with the slot the cotter pin goes into. Raise the steering knuckle with a floor jack slightly if you have to.


Re-install the wheel sensor bracket, re-install the damper and replace the five top bolts and re-install the lower damper fork bolt and nut and tighten to 47 ft/lbs.


Re-install the upper damper fork bolt and tighten to 32 ft/lbs.


Re-install the wheel and torque lug nuts to 81 ft/lbs

 

very nice DIY. Should be added to DIY section

 

 

Great DIY.

That's a lot of rust, my 2000 TL is closing in on 100K miles and doesn't have anywhere near that much rust. :wink:

 

anyway to do it without the torque wrench? i guess the measurements wont be accurate?

 

very nice. Props on the DIY.

I actually replaced left upper control arm not too long ago but I wasn't as thorough as you were in the replacement procedures. haha.

Luckily I have Tein coilovers so I was able to adjusted the sleeve so I had a lot of play with the spring. I just undid the through bolts that held the control arm, the abs bracket, and the ball joint bolt at and hammered the ball joint out by hitting it from from the bottom and it popped right out. Then I reversed the process minus the hammering.

 

I suppose you can do it by feel but it would be better if all the nuts and bolts were tightened to factory specs. You don't want those coming loose or snapping off because they were tightened incorrectly.

 

Nice wright up. Im gonna need to do this soon.

 

yes, nice write up. thanks

p.s. most people who use photobucket del the photos after so long...try & not do that like most

 

Really? I'm at 103k but I do live in the northeast

 

No problem. Will do

 

About the rust, I was thinking the same thing...since I live in S.Florida Salt and Snow is foreign to me and our parts are just dirty (hence, Dirty South) not corroded.

Great DIY.
Why would this go bad, if you don't mind me asking? I'm curious.

 

Great write up. This will help a lot of people.

Question though, is the ball joint separator necessary? Can't you PB blaster it and pry it off with a big flat head?

California...rust....HA! lol

 

i'm at 104K and mine seems like yours with very little rust,
and that is ALOT OF RUST at least the wishbone lower bolt didn't sieze

 

nice write up, thanks

ill have to inspect mine, i live in the northeast and my car has many PA, NY, and NJ miles on it, not good! roads in PA are extreamly bad in the mountains

 

Nice DIY. Make sure to keep an eye on the inner and outer lower control arm bushings as well. They tend to show wear when the mileage gets higher. It appears, in the third picture, that there may be some cracking/separation. It also may be a shadow.

If you are so inclined, removal of the LCA is pretty straight forward and not difficult at all; however, the lower balljoint will need to be separated. That tool should do the trick without a problem.

The link below provides a balljoint separation technique that works also.
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-cl-tires-wheels-suspension-54/simple-ball-joint-separation-740248/

 

Nice....

Might be inclined to do that myself and save money..

 

where did you buy the control arm? (Did I miss that?)

 

^online OEM stores or get it discounted thru somebody @ the stealership

 

^^was asking the op where he got his.

 

I don't think OEM ones come with the ball joint pressed. It's probably aftermaket.

And I'd also like to know where you got it OP.

 

It's OEM. I got the control arm from acuraautomotiveparts.org. It comes with a new ball joint.

 

basically all the factory honda balljoints that i know of come with the arm as a assembaly, it's the aftermarket that you can get a seperate balljoint

 

My bad...

 

can i just buy the bushings?... http://i42.tinypic.com/zitzsm.jpg .. or is it better to buy the whole arm?

where can i buy just the bushings? are these it?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EN...105G/?rtype=10

 

yes those would be bushings, but completely the wrong application though, so more then likely won't fit (btw our bushings are in the arm themselves , not little pedestal mounts like on the integra

 

great write up, but i have an issue. why did you pull the whole strut out? thats a waiste of time IMHO. i did that exact ball joint in 2008. jacked the right side up, took the wheel off, undid the balljoint nut, undid the 2 bolts holding in the control arm, took it off while the strut was in place (never touched a thing pertaining to the strut) hammered out the old balljoint, pressed the new one in, up went the control arm over the strut, hooked the balljoint up, put tire on and it was finished.

 

It looked like it could be done without removing that...was thinking the same thing!

Hmmm....any diy's on a 3G...

 

iirc, it should be basically the same procedure, since the suspension design is very similiar (minus the lower arm lol)

 

yea fuck it just bought the whole arm...lets see how low itll take me to do...thanks

 

It is possible to do this without removing the strut assembly? Looks like there is enough room behind the strut to take the bolts holding the control arm on off.

 

I've pulled mine off a few times w/out taking off the strut. If I remember correctly, I just used a clamp to compress the spring slightly so the bolt would come out (in other words, compressed the spring so the gap would line up with the bolt travel).

 

Great write up ! Another one for the archive (DIY Section ?). We really should have some sort of prize for folks who do this valuable work.

One small point. When using the ball separator, I would have put the nut back on and leveraged against the nut and not the threads. Ever tried to start a nut with damaged threads ? Even if you manage to still damage the bottom threads, carefully backing the nut off will "repair" the damage.

Again, great work.

 

Very nice write up. You made it look so easy to do. So, the noise is gone now? Mine is making noise too when driving on rough or gravel or lane divider pumps.

 

Just ordered a new upper control arm through Tim @ oemacuraparts.com. My upper ball joint has a bunch of play in it.

 

I removed the shock which I calculated to takes less time that fingering in between the spring coils. Tapped the ball joint on the shaft and they pop right out.
And a little silicone spray on the surface rust will get rid of that nasty rust. just don't let it get on the rotors.
Both sides done and on the ground in an hour-40.
If you are not comfortable tightening the bolts by feel which takes experience use a torque wrench.
Going to do my intake manifold and a valve adjustment in a couple weeks. I'll post some shots.

 

i did my upper ball joints a few weeks ago, easy job, thanks for the diy.

make sure you get an alignment after you finish!

 

uuuhhhhmmmm you drive out the old bushing and install the new ones pretty simple pretty easy with the proper tools, takes all of 15 minutes to knock out the old ones and drive in the new ones. Also if you plan on reusing the ball joint you better leave that separator tool in the toolbaox all that is going to do is junk the ball joint, you need to use a zip gun (pnuematic hammer) with a flat punch placed next to the ball joint driving on the spindle towards the end of the threads of the ball joint, pops right out in about two seconds.

also another major mistake is torquing the bolts on the control arm and even more so for the ball joint, you'll never get the tapper locked in and you'll junk the spindle because it will wallird it out because it isn't seated. The bushing have an inner sleeve that prevents over tightening on the contol arm, and the ball joint has to be as tight as you can get it and still line up a slot with the hole in the ball joint. Never have I ever used a torque wrench to rebuild the front end of a car, you torque the wheel lugs if you don't know how to evenly torque something.

 

unless you have adjustable upper ball joins a major waiste of time and money, Toe will not be effected from changing a ball joint and thus the only thing that can be changed unless you have adjustable ball joints to allow camber adjustments.

 

you got some wrong info there buddy or you miss-understood my post.

after changing out my uppers, Toe was wayy out i had to have my wheel slightly cocked to the left just to drive straight. that was not from the new ball joints, it was just from taking apart the suspension and putting it back together. you must get an alignment after doing any kinda of suspension work, whether the parts you put in are adjustable or not.

chances are if you do any kinda of suspension work you can easy bump toe out of alignment, so get it checked. im well aware you cant adjust camber in our cars, and my camber is not bad enough to convince me to get adjustable uppers.